List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

[Lore]

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

What does Brisbane have to lose compared to Freo?

If Brisbane get better draft picks from going down the ladder is that not a win if they can't win it from Neales opinion anyway?

Just looks like movement within no mans land.

Some one let go a mortar and its now silent on the front again with no impasse

Does Freo want Neale more than Brisbane? Has the sands shifted?

Do Brisbane feel they are not close enough and need to go down before going back up? What does that mean for Zorko? Are Brisbane taking First Crack's criticism to heart and feel they need to refresh?

Do Freo feel they are about to rise now is the time to strike while they still have fyfe?

Are Brisbane worrying about Clarko possibly going to Gold Coast next year or someone else?

Did we find out who let that mortar off!?!

 

[Infamy]

A mate of mine who is a recruiter at one of the clubs said that after 3 it really is just a blanket field.

That's why I'm not so fussed about trading up with our first 2 picks.
I'd love to get Callaghan, but we'd need pick 2 for that, so I'd much rather keep our 1st round picks and see if we can get either the Dogs 1st pick or the GWS late first rounder (or both)

 

[HumanMeatball]

Even the second round is arguably similar to the first in terms of evenness. Will be interesting

 

[Bojangles17]

Freo are a lost cause and will be bent over in any Neal deal

Brisbane have nothing to lose , If Neal does request a trade then that indicates that Fremantle have spoken to him and agreed there is interest. and Being a player with 2 years left on his contract then they pay the price.

Just need to look at the posts about Lobb and the freo supporters thinking he is worth 1st round pick if traded and were adamant a contracted player with 2 years left would get them a 1st rounder

Based on the above Brisbane could just say pick #6 you get from Carlton is what we want

Well the campaigners have form in buying Hill for 21 and selling for pick 6. They got a good earn for Neale on the way out , I reckon they’ll be damned if they hand over <10 due to being 29yo next year

 

[Damo80]

That player in this draft is likely to be Josh Rachele imo.

Would not be against taking Rachele, for sure!

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[JR82]

Really ??

Papley , O'Keefe etc

I just find it really bad taste that players take the massive front ended deals and want a transfer when at the tail end of their contracts.

I'd personally like the see the banning of trading players while in contract, it's farcial that players can do the above, if that means there are shorter term contracts signed then so be it.

As for the thread topic i can't wait till trade starts to see what we do with our picks to see if we can upgrade our position etc

 

[Bird Man]

Played 78 games for us in 5 season. 15.5 a year average.

last two seasons is a better way of looking at it

and he played a total of 18 games of 46 = 39.13% <--- (Thats bad)

He isnt going to magically get fitter the older he gets and needs to be backed up so we can deal with the likleyhoood of him not playing half the season.

 

[Bird Man]

Who cares.Got us 3 flags.
Wouldn't care if he only plays half a season each year until he retires.

If some one offered a top 3 pick ( Nick Daicos, Darcy, Horne) type for him i would take. This is professional sport not a youth group and if we can build another core from trading out old triple premiership players then we should.

 

[sregit]

Would not be against taking Rachele, for sure!

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Flashy but inconsistent

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

I would offer Carlton picks 40 and 44 for pick 25.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Flashy but inconsistent

We have one of those already!

 

[Tigers Time]

I would offer Carlton picks 40 and 44 for pick 25.

Why the **** would Carlton do that lol I know they’re ****wits but that’s above and beyond a terrible deal for them, they’d laugh you out the room and if they somehow lose their collective minds and do the deal their fans would rightfully burn down wherever their ses-pit of a club bases itself.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Why the fu** would Carlton do that lol I know they’re *******s but that’s above and beyond a terrible deal for them, they’d laugh you out the room and if they somehow lose their collective minds and do the deal their fans would rightfully burn down wherever their ses-pit of a club bases itself.

Because they only have 3 live picks.

 

[4tune8]

Just done a bit of reading around and it looks like we can take + 2 picks over our vacant senior list spots into the ND. Gives us a bit of scope for trading on the night, of course if we don't use them then they evaporate into the ether.

 

[Pomsta]

Had a look at Knightmare's big board on ESPN. Has Hobbs dropping to 19 and none of the WA talls in the top 20

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Had a look at Knightmare's big board on ESPN. Has Hobbs dropping to 19 and none of the WA talls in the top 20

Has Horne going at 34.

 

[tiger_tough]

last two seasons is a better way of looking at it

and he played a total of 18 games of 46 = 39.13% <--- (Thats bad)

He isnt going to magically get fitter the older he gets and needs to be backed up so we can deal with the likleyhoood of him not playing half the season.

Grimes did...

 

[YeOldTiger]

Had a look at Knightmare's big board on ESPN. Has Hobbs dropping to 19 and none of the WA talls in the top 20

A reminder, they're his power rankings not his phantom draft order:

Redirect Notice

 

[smurfin]

Knightmare definitely sticks to his own opinion, can be quite different to the other draft-watchers.
He's the only one to have included Leek Aleer or Jack Avery in his ratings - both now in his top 10!
Our club recruiters will have their own opinion on things, but going by the draft watchers comments, I roughly rank the draftees as follows:

Unavailable - Daicos & Darcy
Tier 1 - Horne-Francis, Callahan
Tier 2 - Erasmus, Hobbs, Ward
Gibcus roughly around here
Tier 3 - Goater, Sinn, Roberts, Rachelle (our first pick range)
Mac Andrew roughly around here
Tier 4 - Sonsie, Johnson, Draper,
Amiss roughly here
Tier 5 - Chesser, Wilmot, Fahey(GWS academy) (our second pick range)
Van Rooyen & Williams roughly here
Tier 6 - Wanganeen, Butler, Brown, Long, MacDonald, Nevitt, Clarke, Browne, Taylor (both our second rounders in this range)

After that it appears very even. Conway as the best-rated ruck, Bazzo, Schlensog, Aleer as KPD. No more KPF's getting a mention st all.

 

[YeOldTiger]

Knightmare definitely sticks to his own opinion, can be quite different to the other draft-watchers.
He's the only one to have included Leek Aleer or Jack Avery in his ratings - both now in his top 10!
Our club recruiters will have their own opinion on things, but going by the draft watchers comments, I roughly rank the draftees as follows:

Unavailable - Daicos & Darcy
Tier 1 - Horne-Francis, Callahan
Tier 2 - Erasmus, Hobbs, Ward
Gibcus roughly around here
Tier 3 - Goater, Sinn, Roberts, Rachelle (our first pick range)
Mac Andrew roughly around here
Tier 4 - Sonsie, Johnson, Draper,
Amiss roughly here
Tier 5 - Chesser, Wilmot, Fahey(GWS academy) (our second pick range)
Van Rooyen & Williams roughly here
Tier 6 - Wanganeen, Butler, Brown, Long, MacDonald, Nevitt, Clarke, Browne, Taylor (both our second rounders in this range)

After that it appears very even. Conway as the best-rated ruck, Bazzo, Schlensog, Aleer as KPD. No more KPF's getting a mention st all.

The draft is often defined on whether clubs draft best available player (from their lists) or whether they go with need. For example Freo might rank someone like Amiss much higher and even take him with their first pick 8 or so because of their perceived need. Other clubs might rank him around 15.

I reckon your list is about right as a starting point and then changes due to the draft strategy of each club.

Originally I thought we needed inside mids based on getting smacked around the ball this year but as RT showed a few pages back we actually have a heap of young inside mids ready to go, RCD, Ross, Martyn as well as starters Cotch, Edwards, Prestia and Dusty when he's in there, so any inside mid we draft is going to be in the queue behind those kids already with 2-3y in our system AND our ageing stars who still command time inside. For me that almost rules out Hobbs and Ward. Not as good players, but as possible selections.

So my thinking has changed. We're now in the luxurious position, having won big for the last few years to take a punt on some kids with really high potential. Amiss and Wanganeen Milera and to a lesser extent Rachele, the ones with very high ceilings if they come off. A bit like selecting Shai a few years back which was seen as super speculative and Sydney Stack. Both of those choices look to have paid off and will perhaps pay off big time in the future.

Dimma has said he likes the first rounders to be ready to go...but they bent that rule with RCD. It's going to be very interesting.

 

[YeOldTiger]

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_...-impresses-wa-nick-daicos-jason-horne-francis

 

[4tune8]

I would offer Carlton picks 40 and 44 for pick 25.

I would think that trade could be done by the bloos but it would come down to whether they think there's players they want at those picks, also whether we think there's value to be had with those early 3rd rounders which I think there is, remembering that pick 40 could become 38 and 44 could become 41 after picks are used up with points matching.

 

[Damo80]

I would think that trade could be done by the bloos but it would come down to whether they think there's players they want at those picks, also whether we think there's value to be had with those early 3rd rounders which I think there is, remembering that pick 40 could become 38 and 44 could become 41 after picks are used up with points matching.

There's also the question of how many list spots we have open, and therefore how many live draft picks are required.

If we only have 4 list spots, then we won't even get to use 40 & 44, with 26 & 28 being our 3rd & 4th selections. At this point, forget about "points value" IMO. Swapping 28, 40 & 44 for 27 ultimately improves our draft hand by moving our last live pick forward. Now obviously we should be able to do better than that, either by bundling similar picks for a late 1st/early 2nd, or possibly trading some out into next year's draft.

Looking at current list spots vs current draft picks, it makes sense that some sort of pick trade will occur, one way or the other.

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[Tiger_Of_Old]

There's also the question of how many list spots we have open, and therefore how many live draft picks are required.

If we only have 4 list spots, then we won't even get to use 40 & 44, with 26 & 28 being our 3rd & 4th selections. At this point, forget about "points value" IMO. Swapping 28, 40 & 44 for 27 ultimately improves our draft hand by moving our last live pick forward. Now obviously we should be able to do better than that, either by bundling similar picks for a late 1st/early 2nd, or possibly trading some out into next year's draft.

Looking at current list spots vs current draft picks, it makes sense that some sort of pick trade will occur, one way or the other.

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If we go down only using 4 picks path.
Hopefully we get involved in the dogs pick.-16* for 28/40 & 44,
Gives us 7/15*/16* & 26

 

[Oldest Tiger]

Knightmare definitely sticks to his own opinion, can be quite different to the other draft-watchers.
He's the only one to have included Leek Aleer or Jack Avery in his ratings - both now in his top 10!
Our club recruiters will have their own opinion on things, but going by the draft watchers comments, I roughly rank the draftees as follows:

Unavailable - Daicos & Darcy
Tier 1 - Horne-Francis, Callahan
Tier 2 - Erasmus, Hobbs, Ward
Gibcus roughly around here
Tier 3 - Goater, Sinn, Roberts, Rachelle (our first pick range)
Mac Andrew roughly around here
Tier 4 - Sonsie, Johnson, Draper,
Amiss roughly here
Tier 5 - Chesser, Wilmot, Fahey(GWS academy) (our second pick range)
Van Rooyen & Williams roughly here
Tier 6 - Wanganeen, Butler, Brown, Long, MacDonald, Nevitt, Clarke, Browne, Taylor (both our second rounders in this range)

After that it appears very even. Conway as the best-rated ruck, Bazzo, Schlensog, Aleer as KPD. No more KPF's getting a mention st all.

I agree and believe we should have a crack at a Tier 2 player (including Gibcus). Can we pick up pick 4 (6) from Adelaide? Would they/you do pick 26 and CCJ?
We would still have picks 7, 16 & 28