List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

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[AstuteTiger]

FOX SPORTS
September 28th

RICHMOND

Can the dethroned on-field kings become the off-field kings with picks galore?

It’s become a common off-season sight in the Tigers’ dynastic period; rivals (usually Gold Coast) plucking fringe and depth players.

That’ll be the case this year too, with Callum Coleman-Jones

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Callum Coleman-jones

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26

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200cm

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104kg

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Fwd

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Last 5

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13.0

3star

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6.0

2star

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7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

5.0

5star

G

0.0

1star

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D

13.0

4star

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6.0

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7.0

5star

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3.0

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5.0

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0.0

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seeking a trade to North Melbourne, and Mabior Chol

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Mabior Chol

Age

28

Ht

200cm

Wt

98kg

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Fwd

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Last 5

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7.5

2star

K

5.3

2star

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2.2

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

6.0

2star

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2.0

1star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.3

3star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.2

4star

to sign as a free agent at the Suns. But that won’t be all in 2021.

After missing the finals, and owning Geelong’s first-round pick thanks to a 2020 draft night deal, Richmond has more draft capital than every other club; two firsts (7 and 15), two seconds (26 and 28) and two thirds (40 and 44).

It seems almost inevitable they’ll get involved in deals because so many teams need something they have.

Only three clubs have multiple first-round picks; the Tigers, the Giants (2 and 13) and Brisbane (14 and 18).

Gold Coast is almost a fourth, owning an end-of-first-round compensation pick (19) as well as their natural selection (3), but they’re keen on trading out that high selection - whether for an experienced player or for multiple picks lower down the order.

Richmond and Adelaide are said to be among the clubs interested in a deal for pick 3, and using the Draft Value Index, a fair deal would see the Tigers gain that selection for picks 7 and either 26 or 28. (The Suns would probably ask for 7 and 15, which combined are worth pick 2 using the Index).

But the Tigers could also use their second and third-round picks to take advantage of sides like Collingwood and the Western Bulldogs, who need to match bids for father-son prospects Nick Daicos and Sam Darcy respectively.

Those bids are likely to fall in the top three, meaning both teams need more picks or else they’ll go into draft deficit for 2022. So could Richmond offer up 28, in the middle of the second round, for Collingwood’s future second (which could be juicy)?

What about 26 and 40 for the Bulldogs’ future first? After all, if the Grand Finalists think they’ll be contenders again in 2022, that pick would fall in the high teens anyway.

These pick swaps could be completed on draft night itself, but the Tigers’ sheer mass of selections gives them options - and in an off-season with tight salary caps almost across the board, flexibility is king.

Why fading giant could set AFL ablaze; Tigers to control market’s destiny: Trade kingmakers

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[Charlie Pannam]

I think it has to be Callaghan. Ward has a higher floor, but Callaghan has a higher ceiling.

Somehow don’t think we’ll be in the position to be choosing between the 2.
Ward may be available
Sounding like Callaghan is little chance

 

[4tune8]

Our draft hand gives us lot options and there appears to be a lot of demand for our picks. I personally like the suggestion of pick 28 and 40 for the Bulldogs future first.

Judging by reports we'll have something like the following picks, 7 + 15 + 26 + 28 + 38 + 39 + 40 + 44

Trade 7 + 15 + 40 for 3 + 19

Gives us a nice early 1st

1st pick of the 2nd rnd, which could be argued is more valuable than 17

1st 2 picks of the 3rd rnd

Leaves us with 26 + 28 + 44 to use for trading out to next year for say the Pies 1st or bundling to get the Dogs 1st this year.

 

[4tune8]

Somehow don’t think we’ll be in the position to be choosing between the 2.
Ward may be available
Sounding like Callaghan is little chance

Only if we trade up to pick 3 from GCS

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Only if we trade up to pick 3 from GCS

Yeah that’d be awesome

and assuming in that case it’s Callaghan


Jay Clark linking us to Hobbs if we get that trade done with GCS.
Hoping we’d be taking Callaghan before him.

 

[Morro]

I don't think we can go too wrong, obviously one may become the better player but I am confident out of those two we have long termers.

Callahan will take a little longer but man, his athletic traits, ability to run and size is eyewatering to look at. A few pre seasons at a good club could be absolutely anything.

I will say something controversial here, Josh Ward, if he played more, I reckon wouldn't be out of place in the same discussion we are seeing as Daicos, JHF and Callahan. Super individual, his two way running is elite, gets to contests, can win the football and very high footy IQ.

Basically, both have super traits, Callahan at 189cm (potential to get to taller) could be an absolute freak and I would back our development and environment now to get him there, so have him just ahead. Just.

Ward is the one I want, but I havent seen enough of any of them. Ward went head to head with Daicos and won so I 100% agree there.

Sadly, both are likely to be gone by our pick

 

[smurfin]

FOX SPORTS
September 28th

RICHMOND

Can the dethroned on-field kings become the off-field kings with picks galore?

It’s become a common off-season sight in the Tigers’ dynastic period; rivals (usually Gold Coast) plucking fringe and depth players.

That’ll be the case this year too, with Callum Coleman-Jones seeking a trade to North Melbourne, and Mabior Chol to sign as a free agent at the Suns. But that won’t be all in 2021.

After missing the finals, and owning Geelong’s first-round pick thanks to a 2020 draft night deal, Richmond has more draft capital than every other club; two firsts (7 and 15), two seconds (26 and 28) and two thirds (40 and 44).

It seems almost inevitable they’ll get involved in deals because so many teams need something they have.

Only three clubs have multiple first-round picks; the Tigers, the Giants (2 and 13) and Brisbane (14 and 18).

Gold Coast is almost a fourth, owning an end-of-first-round compensation pick (19) as well as their natural selection (3), but they’re keen on trading out that high selection - whether for an experienced player or for multiple picks lower down the order.

Richmond and Adelaide are said to be among the clubs interested in a deal for pick 3, and using the Draft Value Index, a fair deal would see the Tigers gain that selection for picks 7 and either 26 or 28. (The Suns would probably ask for 7 and 15, which combined are worth pick 2 using the Index).

But the Tigers could also use their second and third-round picks to take advantage of sides like Collingwood and the Western Bulldogs, who need to match bids for father-son prospects Nick Daicos and Sam Darcy respectively.

Those bids are likely to fall in the top three, meaning both teams need more picks or else they’ll go into draft deficit for 2022. So could Richmond offer up 28, in the middle of the second round, for Collingwood’s future second (which could be juicy)?

What about 26 and 40 for the Bulldogs’ future first? After all, if the Grand Finalists think they’ll be contenders again in 2022, that pick would fall in the high teens anyway.

These pick swaps could be completed on draft night itself, but the Tigers’ sheer mass of selections gives them options - and in an off-season with tight salary caps almost across the board, flexibility is king.

Why fading giant could set AFL ablaze; Tigers to control market’s destiny: Trade kingmakers

Fading giant could set AFL ablaze; Tigers to control market’s destiny: Trade kingmakers

www.foxsports.com.au

I'm waiting for a media article to say anything more than the same speculation all of us on BigFooty are capable of.
Says Gold Coast want to get rid of pick 3 - possibly for multiple lower picks, then states later that they already have a full list and need to get rid of picks.
Also suggests that Gold Coast package up 4 picks to the Bulldogs for pick 17.
At no point to they seem to consider the amount of picks a club can have is limited by available list spaces. I'm still waiting for anyone who knows to verify that it is definitely returning to that rule this draft. I have heard suggestions that clubs can actually bring an extra 2 draft picks but can't find any real verification anywhere.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Going by that article above.

Pick 26 + 40 for Bulldogs future 1st.
Pick 7 + 28 for pick 3.

Other deals (just pulling from my arse):
CCJ to Roos for Robbie Tarrant

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Robbie Tarrant

Age

36

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.5

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.8

4star

MG

284.7

4star

D

15.1

4star

K

11.9

5star

HB

3.3

2star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

359.3

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

and their future 3rd rnd pick.
3rd rnd compo for Chol.

We lose: pick 7, 26, 28 & 40. CCJ and Chol.
We gain: pick 3, 3rd round compo, Bulldogs future 1st, Roos future 3rd rnd pick and Robbie Tarrant

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Robbie Tarrant

Age

36

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.5

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.8

4star

MG

284.7

4star

D

15.1

4star

K

11.9

5star

HB

3.3

2star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

359.3

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

.

This 2021 Draft order pick 3, 15, 44 and 3rd rnd compo.

Next draft: 2 1st round picks, 1 2nd round pick, 2 3rd round picks.

 

[Tigerbob]

Ward is the one I want, but I havent seen enough of any of them. Ward went head to head with Daicos and won so I 100% agree there.

Sadly, both are likely to be gone by our pick

At the moment. I told tigs2010 before it became media gossip we were looking to trade up the draft and it was Ward we were keen on.

That information came to me from another AFL club, but I would say it could be Callahan as GWS is so keen on Gibcus. I see it being JHF, Darcy, Daicos, Gibcus, Callahan. Ward for me would be next but Adelaide if they keep the pick may take local Sam Draper.

Ward won't make it past Pick 5 at Hawthorn regardless.

Yes, that vision of Ward vs Daicos was very interesting.

 

[4tune8]

Yeah that’d be awesome

and assuming in that case it’s Callaghan


Jay Clark linking us to Hobbs if we get that trade done with GCS.
Hoping we’d be taking Callaghan before him.

It would be whoever GWS don't take with their pick 2

 

[Morro]

At the moment. I told tigs2010 before it became media gossip we were looking to trade up the draft and it was Ward we were keen on.

That information came to me from another AFL club, but I would say it could be Callahan as GWS is so keen on Gibcus. I see it being JHF, Darcy, Daicos, Gibcus, Callahan. Ward for me would be next but Adelaide if they keep the pick may take local Sam Draper.

Ward won't make it past Pick 5 at Hawthorn regardless.

Yes, that vision of Ward vs Daicos was very interesting.

I know its being spoken about alot, but I dont reckon Gibcus will go that high, but WTF would I know haha

 

[tigs2010]

I know its being spoken about alot, but I dont reckon Gibcus will go that high, but WTF would I know haha

I've been saying it for years. Not a lot.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Suns won't want xtra picks this year.
They need to make room for 3 picks this year(4 with Chol).
So any deal with us would have involved a future pick which i'm not keen on.
Pick 4 from the crows more likely but that makes me nervous come draft night if both GWS & Suns take Callahan and Ward.
Yeah we might take Hobbs at 4 but i think we'd still get him at 7.

 

[Morro]

I've been saying it for years. Not a lot.

Have ya mate, have ya?

 

[Ancient Tiger]

When you say their top 20 do you mean their prediction of the top 20? Would be weird they aren't taking the best available.

Actually they rank them. However they do not always follow their ranking. Devon Robertson was ranked higher than Thompson Dow but they chose the latter. I guess they felt they needed an Edwards type player rather than a slightly higher ranked player.

 

[Mr Magic]

I'm waiting for a media article to say anything more than the same speculation all of us on BigFooty are capable of.
Says Gold Coast want to get rid of pick 3 - possibly for multiple lower picks, then states later that they already have a full list and need to get rid of picks.
Also suggests that Gold Coast package up 4 picks to the Bulldogs for pick 17.
At no point to they seem to consider the amount of picks a club can have is limited by available list spaces. I'm still waiting for anyone who knows to verify that it is definitely returning to that rule this draft. I have heard suggestions that clubs can actually bring an extra 2 draft picks but can't find any real verification anywhere.

We get those Gold Coast picks with pick 3 in the trade with Gold Coast as I said in a previous post to use for Bulldogs pick.

Not sure what the rules are

 

[Coach_Required]

I'm waiting for a media article to say anything more than the same speculation all of us on BigFooty are capable of.
Says Gold Coast want to get rid of pick 3 - possibly for multiple lower picks, then states later that they already have a full list and need to get rid of picks.
Also suggests that Gold Coast package up 4 picks to the Bulldogs for pick 17.
At no point to they seem to consider the amount of picks a club can have is limited by available list spaces. I'm still waiting for anyone who knows to verify that it is definitely returning to that rule this draft. I have heard suggestions that clubs can actually bring an extra 2 draft picks but can't find any real verification anywhere.

Yeah I laughed at the "Gold Coast happy to part with pick 3 for multiple lower picks then saying they would probably ask for our first 2 1st rounders even though pick 7 & 26 are close to the value". LOL

HTF does that set the comp a blaze? Punt Road would be a blaze if we threw away 2 decent first rounders for a top 3 pick.

 

[Lsta062]

Has he got the feel of Reece Conca about him?

I don’t think it’s Conca level because he still looks and sounds like the type that will make it, but he just doesn’t have the feel of a pick 3-5. Well, to me at least. Everyone can form their own opinion, but that’s mine.

 

[tigs2010]

Have ya mate, have ya?

In my head yes. I’d never speak ill of you on a public forum mate

 

[YeOldTiger]

Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera is looking like top 10 pick now

Yep, might end up being nearly the best of this lot. Pure class.

 

[YeOldTiger]

Starting to think he’s the safe pick (assuming he gets through to us).

He seems to be a very good balance of inside/outside - a ball magnet.

Play he’s early career on the wing then move into the midfield.

The only way Ward comes to us is if we jump ahead of Hawks.

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Has he got the feel of Reece Conca about him?

Except Conca was not rated by most before pick 20. This kid is rated top 10 by most. Not sure the comparison is there. I get your point on the weaknesses though.

I don’t think it’s Conca level because he still looks and sounds like the type that will make it, but he just doesn’t have the feel of a pick 3-5. Well, to me at least. Everyone can form their own opinion, but that’s mine.

Yes. But as another poster suggested, if we got 19 back, they've got what they seem to be asking for, 2 high picks, and we end up with 3 & 19. Don't mind it myself. A bit of haggling with futures if needed to keep any grievances at bay. Thoughts?

Edit: ok.. did something weird with the quoting function there Lacustus..lol. Not lining you up!!

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Why am i not excited about trading for pick #3

I just think keep pick #7 and select either Erasmus or NWM
Trade for Doggies pick #17 with our later picks and just take 7 , 15 , 17 , 26 , 28 to the draft but if we can trade the Cj , Chol and 28 up to get another pick before 15 thats great if not then into 2022 for the Pies 2nd rounder and 3rd rounder

take 5 picks inside 30 with 3 inside 20

 

[Lsta062]

Except Conca was not rated by most before pick 20. This kid is rated top 10 by most. Not sure the comparison is there. I get your point on the weaknesses though.

Yes. But as another poster suggested, if we got 19 back, they've got what they seem to be asking for, 2 high picks, and we end up with 3 & 19. Don't mind it myself. A bit of haggling with futures if needed to keep any grievances at bay. Thoughts?

Edit: ok.. did something weird with the quoting function there Lacustus..lol. Not lining you up!!

Yeah if we receive pick 19 and pick Hobbs up with that pick, then I’d be completely fine with that.

 

[Morro]

In my head yes. I’d never speak ill of you on a public forum mate

hmmm.