List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

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[Mr Magic]

Without knowing anything about any of the prospects I still think Hobbs although not an excitement machine sounds like a perfect pickup for us. A competitive beast and a workhorse, a leader, a 2 way runner and potentially the best inside midfielder in the draft and he's ready to make an impact from r1.

All of our midfielders bar probably Cotchin these days can be damaging on the outside so it's not like we're desperate for him to do that at an elite level too. We've been crying out for the club to target an inside bull at the trade period but when the best one in the draft is most likely available to us most here prefer we go someone more flashy or an athletic beast. I've been critical of the club for going for the safe options in the past but this kid seems like a safe bet in the position we're arguably crying out for the most.

He really does read like Selwood/Boak hybrid....and he's a Richmond fan. Hope he's still there at our first pick.

Some think Saints might not even pick him because to similar to existing mids

I think the Saints pick 9 is gettable because more definitive selections drop away or begin to.

I would be offering 15 and 28 for 9.

28 is not too early to be necessarily consumed by the Owens and W NGA either. If we get 23 we could say we will not bid on Saints NGA. Saints could split 28 to later picks to.

We could trade 15 and a future second( not North's with us) to Saints for pick 9. We get pick 23 from 38 and 40. In live trade we could trade 23 to Saints on draft night second night

 

[4tune8]

Without knowing anything about any of the prospects I still think Hobbs although not an excitement machine sounds like a perfect pickup for us. A competitive beast and a workhorse, a leader, a 2 way runner and potentially the best inside midfielder in the draft and he's ready to make an impact from r1.

All of our midfielders bar probably Cotchin these days can be damaging on the outside so it's not like we're desperate for him to do that at an elite level too. We've been crying out for the club to target an inside bull at the trade period but when the best one in the draft is most likely available to us most here prefer we go someone more flashy or an athletic beast. I've been critical of the club for going for the safe options in the past but this kid seems like a safe bet in the position we're arguably crying out for the most.

He really does read like Selwood/Boak hybrid....and he's a Richmond fan. Hope he's still there at our first pick.

Reminds me more of a Sam Mitchell type, obviously not dual sided though

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Without knowing anything about any of the prospects I still think Hobbs although not an excitement machine sounds like a perfect pickup for us. A competitive beast and a workhorse, a leader, a 2 way runner and potentially the best inside midfielder in the draft and he's ready to make an impact from r1.

All of our midfielders bar probably Cotchin these days can be damaging on the outside so it's not like we're desperate for him to do that at an elite level too. We've been crying out for the club to target an inside bull at the trade period but when the best one in the draft is most likely available to us most here prefer we go someone more flashy or an athletic beast. I've been critical of the club for going for the safe options in the past but this kid seems like a safe bet in the position we're arguably crying out for the most.

He really does read like Selwood/Boak hybrid....and he's a Richmond fan. Hope he's still there at our first pick.

Lost me at a two way runner...

 

[Grrr]

I don’t believe we will use picks 38 & 40. I think we’ll try and package those two with pick 28 to get as high as possible.

28-38-40 has roughly enough points for pick 8.
If St Kilda are chasing points then a deal for pick 9 is not out of the question.

7,9,15,26 would be an unbelievable draft hand for a team that won the premiership 24 months beforehand.

Can we throw in Dusty and get the no.1 pick of North, that Jason Hornblower is some sort of footballer. Don't think I've seen better highlights. Reminded me of a cross between the Ablett's, Gaz and the old man.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Reminds me more of a Sam Mitchell type, obviously not dual sided though

Geez.Playing out his boyhood dreams plus extras.
Playing for the side he goes for.
Then Coaching it when we move 10 time premiership coach Damien Hardwick on.

(Oh and to play alongside the Goat)

 

[beema limapep]

Geez.Playing out his boyhood dreams plus extras.
Playing for the side he goes for.
Then Coaching it when we move 10 time premiership coach Damien Hardwick on.

(Oh and to play alongside the Goat)

What odds is Hobbs for the Brownlow in 2022? Im jumping on with 10 large.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

What odds is Hobbs for the Brownlow in 2022? Im jumping on with 10 large.

What do it in halves.
Go the Brownlow/Norm double.
(Surely Dusty will have an off GF)

 

[YeOldTiger]

unfortunately Sinn will most likely be gone by our second pick. I watched him play a school game. The kid is lightning fast. Takes the game on, just runs and runs. He is a 100 metre player. runs 50-60 metres and has a great 50 metre left foot that hits targets. He also plays midfield but did not get the opportunity this year due to injury and then Covid.
I would not be upset if we took him with our first pick.

The thing scaring people off with Josh Sinn is the two month hamstring he did earlier this year. He is a terrific prospect but geez, a bad hammy when your'e only 18 doesn't auger well for a speedster. We all know how that can go.

 

[Marcel Proust]

I can still see us trading up to pick 2 for Callaghan come draft night. If GWS are really that keen on Andrew, they can probably get him at 7.

1. Horne-Francis - North
2. Daicos - Collingwood - Bid matched
3. Darcy - Bulldogs - Bid matched
4. Callaghan - Richmond
5. Gibcus - Gold Coast
6. Hobbs - Adelaide
7. Ward - Hawthorn
8. Erasmus - Fremantle
9. Andrew - GWS

From what I've read, most seemingly think there are 9 kids in the top 2 tiers of the draft, which leaves us in a decent spot as we will have the 9th pick.
Tier 1: Horne-Francis, Daicos, Darcy, Callaghan
Tier 2: Ward, Hobbs, Gibcus, Erasmus, Andrew

Personally I'm not convinced if GWS hold onto pick 2 (pick 4 after bids) they will take Andrew over Callaghan. If they don't, I think there's a decent chance Andrew get to us at 9. If that does happen, do you take Andrew as the best available or do you take a mid if that's seen as more of a need? I reckon they probably take Andrew as a R/F, not as if tall forwards aren't a need either.

The tier 3 player Richmond should get at 15 will be handy too.

Who is in the next group? Amiss. Van Rooyen. Sinn. Goater. Johnson?

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Without knowing anything about any of the prospects I still think Hobbs although not an excitement machine sounds like a perfect pickup for us. A competitive beast and a workhorse, a leader, a 2 way runner and potentially the best inside midfielder in the draft and he's ready to make an impact from r1.

All of our midfielders bar probably Cotchin these days can be damaging on the outside so it's not like we're desperate for him to do that at an elite level too. We've been crying out for the club to target an inside bull at the trade period but when the best one in the draft is most likely available to us most here prefer we go someone more flashy or an athletic beast. I've been critical of the club for going for the safe options in the past but this kid seems like a safe bet in the position we're arguably crying out for the most.

He really does read like Selwood/Boak hybrid....and he's a Richmond fan. Hope he's still there at our first pick.

But what if his high is only James Worpel level ?
He is / Looks like a physically mature player at 183cm 83kgs and it could be very similar situation to worpel where whilst is floor is not as low his roof may just not b as high.

 

[YeOldTiger]

Draft watchers, tell me more about Sheldrick. Sounds like a type that would suit us with a later pick.

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_...rick-announces-western-australia?platform=amp

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Gus Sheldrick is the kid who did the job on JHF in the first WA v SA U19 Champs game. It was widely reported that JHF had a disappointing game and that was down to Sheldrick doing a job on him. He got in front of JHF at the centre bounces and took away his run at the ball and managed to get plenty of possessions on the inside himself. He's disciplined and tough. I liken him to Axel Foley.

In the recent 3rd Champs game played in Adelaide, he was judged best on ground and kicked the winning goal. The kid can play. He's your in and under and dish it out mid with a strong defensive mindset.

If we miss on Hobbs we might consider him with a later pick. He wouldn't be the worst choice.

Having said that I think our third round picks are unlikely to get used (list space) as we try to trade up into the earlier rounds to give us 4 picks inside 25 and perhaps even including another first rounder.

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

I don’t believe we will use picks 38 & 40. I think we’ll try and package those two with pick 28 to get as high as possible.

28-38-40 has roughly enough points for pick 8.
If St Kilda are chasing points then a deal for pick 9 is not out of the question.

7,9,15,26 would be an unbelievable draft hand for a team that won the premiership 24 months beforehand.

I seriously doubt they would trade that pick. They want one high quality low risk kid at that pick and then start working on points for their NGAs. No harm in asking though!

To me, they might be more interested in 2022. I know I keep banging on on this, but our final 2 picks for their 2022 2nd. How might that look? Maybe overs, so something added needed.. their 3rd next year too.

 

[AstuteTiger]

For those who weren't sure about the rules, it is outlined below.

From Monday, clubs will be allowed to strike trades that do not involve players and the Magpies are expected to put their top draft pick, No.27, up for sale. The Magpies will draft either three or four players on November 24-25, headlined by father-son gun Nick Daicos.

The Magpies hold picks 27, 36, 46, 48, 55, 58, 78 and 79 but AFL rules state they can’t pay for Daicos with draft picks that exceed their amount of open list spots.

For example, if the Magpies have five vacancies on their senior list then only their first five draft picks can be cashed in to match the bid before they go into deficit next year, which would affect their first-round pick.

The Magpies could attempt to move pick 27 up the order or shuffle it into next year’s draft depending on how many list spots they keep open.

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[Rioli2Rioli]

For those who weren't sure about the rules, it is outlined below.

From Monday, clubs will be allowed to strike trades that do not involve players and the Magpies are expected to put their top draft pick, No.27, up for sale. The Magpies will draft either three or four players on November 24-25, headlined by father-son gun Nick Daicos.

The Magpies hold picks 27, 36, 46, 48, 55, 58, 78 and 79 but AFL rules state they can’t pay for Daicos with draft picks that exceed their amount of open list spots.

For example, if the Magpies have five vacancies on their senior list then only their first five draft picks can be cashed in to match the bid before they go into deficit next year, which would affect their first-round pick.

The Magpies could attempt to move pick 27 up the order or shuffle it into next year’s draft depending on how many list spots they keep open.

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Pies & Dogs acting like their picks in the 20's are like 1st rounders trying to get max points and picks in both 21 & 22

Richmond out : #38 + F2 (richmond 2nd rounder)
Richmond In : #23 (dogs)

 

[Damo80]

For those who weren't sure about the rules, it is outlined below.

From Monday, clubs will be allowed to strike trades that do not involve players and the Magpies are expected to put their top draft pick, No.27, up for sale. The Magpies will draft either three or four players on November 24-25, headlined by father-son gun Nick Daicos.

The Magpies hold picks 27, 36, 46, 48, 55, 58, 78 and 79 but AFL rules state they can’t pay for Daicos with draft picks that exceed their amount of open list spots.

For example, if the Magpies have five vacancies on their senior list then only their first five draft picks can be cashed in to match the bid before they go into deficit next year, which would affect their first-round pick.

The Magpies could attempt to move pick 27 up the order or shuffle it into next year’s draft depending on how many list spots they keep open.

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So pretty much neither Pies or Dogs are likely to look at adding more picks, regardless of "more points".

So no point suggesting 38 & 40 for 27, or whatever it might be. They're far more likely to look to trade out extra draft picks this year into next year's draft? Provided they still retain sufficient points for this year?

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[AstuteTiger]

Pies & Dogs acting like their picks in the 20's are like 1st rounders trying to get max points and picks in both 21 & 22

Richmond out : #38 + F2 (richmond 2nd rounder)
Richmond In : #23 (dogs)

Spot on, but both clubs know they will offload those picks and hope we get in for one of them.
I was thinking the same, preferably do 38 & 40 for picks 23 or 27 OR as you said 38 + future 2nd (our future 2nd) not Norths future second which we have.

I wouldn't mind trying to do a deal with the Saints, our pick 15 and 28 for their 9 and 62

Would love to hit the draft with 7, 9, 26, 27 (or 23 from dogs if we do the deal with them instead of pies pick 27).

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

So pretty much neither Pies or Dogs are likely to look at adding more picks, regardless of "more points".

So no point suggesting 38 & 40 for 27, or whatever it might be. They're far more likely to look to trade out extra draft picks this year into next year's draft? Provided they still retain sufficient points for this year?

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There is a silver lining to this also

Just for arguments sake once all these picks get consumed up and taken out of the system you will find clubs like
Bulldogs , Collingwood , carlton , Port , St kilda wont have enough picks below 60's and will be looking for picks which we will have 2 in the 30's if we carry them through to the draft.

This would give us the opportunity to get value in 2022

 

[AstuteTiger]

So pretty much neither Pies or Dogs are likely to look at adding more picks, regardless of "more points".

So no point suggesting 38 & 40 for 27, or whatever it might be. They're far more likely to look to trade out extra draft picks this year into next year's draft? Provided they still retain sufficient points for this year?

Disagree, they will need 2000 points at least to get Daicos without impacting their first-rounder next year.
They have already stated they will draft 3 or 4 players this year, I think 3 they'll draft including Daicos.

So Pies picks/points
27 = 703
36 = 502
46 = 465
48 = 302
55 = 207
58 = 107
78 = 0
79 = 0

= 2286

Instead of Daicos and say draft picks 55 and 58, they will look to offload 27 to better their draft hand.
If for example, they offer pick 27 (703) for our picks 38 (465) and 40 (429) = 894 points
Pies get a net gain of 194 points, it gives them Daicos plus two 3rd rounders (38 & 40).

 

[Tigers Time]

Gus Sheldrick is the kid who did the job on JHF in the first WA v SA U19 Champs game. It was widely reported that JHF had a disappointing game and that was down to Sheldrick doing a job on him. He got in front of JHF at the centre bounces and took away his run at the ball and managed to get plenty of possessions on the inside himself. He's disciplined and tough. I liken him to Axel Foley.

In the recent 3rd Champs game played in Adelaide, he was judged best on ground and kicked the winning goal. The kid can play. He's your in and under and dish it out mid with a strong defensive mindset.

If we miss on Hobbs we might consider him with a later pick. He wouldn't be the worst choice.

Having said that I think our third round picks are unlikely to get used (list space) as we try to trade up into the earlier rounds to give us 4 picks inside 25 and perhaps even including another first rounder.

Was best on ground in the WAFL colts imo. For someone his size he dominates. Am super impressed and he’s still only 17. Wouldn’t mind picking him up.

 

[Joey longshadow]

The thing scaring people off with Josh Sinn is the two month hamstring he did earlier this year. He is a terrific prospect but geez, a bad hammy when your'e only 18 doesn't auger well for a speedster. We all know how that can go.

Send him to that doc in Germany ...he fixed Grimes

 

[Seymour Skinner]

Just listened to the ESPN podcast, mainly for SuperCoach reasons, but the draft bloke had us taking Mac Andrew and some HBFer, literally the last things we need lol.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Sheldrick is like Zach Merrett if he were fatter, more inside and dual-sided.

 

[Andyy]

I don’t believe we will use picks 38 & 40. I think we’ll try and package those two with pick 28 to get as high as possible.

28-38-40 has roughly enough points for pick 8.
If St Kilda are chasing points then a deal for pick 9 is not out of the question.

7,9,15,26 would be an unbelievable draft hand for a team that won the premiership 24 months beforehand.

Give that the Dogs traded away their P17 for about a 550 point surplus I sincerely doubt the Saints are going to trade away P9 for 100 points.

If we want to get our hands on P9 it needs to benefit the Saints to the tune of 400-600 points you'd think. I'm sure there are plenty of clubs prepared to offer more than that (100 points).


It would probably have to be 26 + 28 + 38 for 9, giving the Saints 402 points surplus.

Hit the draft with 7, 9, 15 & 40.

I'd be keen to take 3 kids (maybe Hobbs, Amiss & someone else), Schlensog at 40 maybe I think he would go OK, then look at Nathan Freeman with a very late pick/rookie selection. Those two matures have been carving it up big time in the seconds.

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Disagree, they will need 2000 points at least to get Daicos without impacting their first-rounder next year.
They have already stated they will draft 3 or 4 players this year, I think 3 they'll draft including Daicos.

So Pies picks/points
27 = 703
36 = 502
46 = 465
48 = 302
55 = 207
58 = 107
78 = 0
79 = 0

= 2286

Instead of Daicos and say draft picks 55 and 58, they will look to offload 27 to better their draft hand.
If for example, they offer pick 27 (703) for our picks 38 (465) and 40 (429) = 894 points
Pies get a net gain of 194 points, it gives them Daicos plus two 3rd rounders (38 & 40).

Thanks. That's what I could be bothered doing myself. Well explained. So Daicos, and two very late picks, or upgrade a rookie, or does Lipinski coming in count for one of their min 3 trades?

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Give that the Dogs traded away their P17 for about a 550 point surplus I sincerely doubt the Saints are going to trade away P9 for 100 points.

If we want to get our hands on P9 it needs to benefit the Saints to the tune of 400-600 points you'd think. I'm sure there are plenty of clubs prepared to offer more than that (100 points).


It would probably have to be 26 + 28 + 38 for 9, giving the Saints 402 points surplus.

Hit the draft with 7, 9, 15 & 40.

I'd be keen to take 3 kids (maybe Hobbs, Amiss & someone else), Schlensog at 40 maybe I think he would go OK, then look at Nathan Freeman with a very late pick/rookie selection. Those two matures have been carving it up big time in the seconds.

Certainly tempting for them, but as I said a few posts back, that means their 1st is 26. Seriously doubt they want give up the one high pick they have as they can find points other ways.