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AstuteTiger said:
Disagree, they will need 2000 points at least to get Daicos without impacting their first-rounder next year.
They have already stated they will draft 3 or 4 players this year, I think 3 they'll draft including Daicos.

So Pies picks/points
27 = 703
36 = 502
46 = 465
48 = 302
55 = 207
58 = 107
78 = 0
79 = 0

= 2286

Instead of Daicos and say draft picks 55 and 58, they will look to offload 27 to better their draft hand.
If for example, they offer pick 27 (703) for our picks 38 (465) and 40 (429) = 894 points
Pies get a net gain of 194 points, it gives them Daicos plus two 3rd rounders (38 & 40).
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So, they already have 8 draft picks, and you're suggesting they do a 2-for-1 trade to make it 9?

Two things I'm struggling to get my head around is:
1 - they will need to then make 9 list spots available to be allowed to take that many draft picks to the draft (although, I assume they're allowed to "burn" the latest of their picks that have no points value?)
2 - when the bid comes, it will eat up the value of the earliest picks first until the ~2000 points is covered. I can't see any way they retain a couple of picks around 38/40 once they've secured Daicos.

I'd imagine the club professionals will be all over the ways to leverage the system. Will find out in time how it plays out, I guess!

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Bird Man said:
can some one explain what happens when Dogs and Pies use their picks for the FS?

Does our picks 26 and 28 go lower ?
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Pretty sure as it stands Pick 26 becomes 27 after Diacos and Darcy push everyone bar North at Pick 1 back two spots but then we go forward a spot as Bulldogs won't be able to use pick 23 while we would then have Pick 28 as Collingwoods pick 27 would be wiped by this stage. But I suspect Owens will have been bided on by the time we get our third selection and Fahey from GWS as well perhaps. So could become Picks 28/29/30/31 depending on other bids.

Come draft day it will look a lot different.
 
All depends on how our recruiters rate this draft.
Is Van Rooyen worth using pick 15 on?
Is Gibcus worth using pick 7 on?
Are the players likely to be around the early 20s: Nevitt, Bazzo, Butler worth enough to trade 38 & 40 for a pick around that range?

I actually think we will play it similar to last year where we traded pick 20 out for a future first.
Pick 15 could be traded for a future first, depending what's available at the time.
Picks 26 & 28 could go for future upgrades from seconds to firsts.
We may feel picks 38 & 40 will get us similar players to what picks 26 & 28 would.

Plenty of clubs that could be desperate for picks: Saints, Carlton, Port, Dogs, Pies.
 
Tomnat Tigers said:
Pretty sure as it stands Pick 26 becomes 27 after Diacos and Darcy push everyone bar North at Pick 1 back two spots but then we go forward a spot as Bulldogs won't be able to use pick 23 while we would then have Pick 28 as Collingwoods pick 27 would be wiped by this stage. But I suspect Owens will have been bided on by the time we get our third selection and Fahey from GWS as well perhaps. So could become Picks 28/29/30/31 depending on other bids.

Come draft day it will look a lot different.
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That's pretty much it.
Also chances that Dogs and/or Pies trade their earlier picks out for later points so that 26 & 28 don't come forward at all.
 

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tugga said:
Great post and agree.
Only thing is if we have five list spots clubs will know we are wanting to package two picks into one and might play hard ball.
We don’t have the leverage as much now unless we delist another player which won’t happen.
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I prefer to look at it as tho desperate Clubs will come knocking knowing we'll be looking to do a deal
 
Tomnat Tigers said:
Pretty sure as it stands Pick 26 becomes 27 after Diacos and Darcy push everyone bar North at Pick 1 back two spots but then we go forward a spot as Bulldogs won't be able to use pick 23 while we would then have Pick 28 as Collingwoods pick 27 would be wiped by this stage. But I suspect Owens will have been bided on by the time we get our third selection and Fahey from GWS as well perhaps. So could become Picks 28/29/30/31 depending on other bids.

Come draft day it will look a lot different.
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There will be no picks before pick #36 consumed for points as they will be traded out for later multiple picks with pints or traded into 2022
The shuffling on draft night is going to be insane
 
AstuteTiger said:
For those who weren't sure about the rules, it is outlined below.

From Monday, clubs will be allowed to strike trades that do not involve players and the Magpies are expected to put their top draft pick, No.27, up for sale. The Magpies will draft either three or four players on November 24-25, headlined by father-son gun Nick Daicos.

The Magpies hold picks 27, 36, 46, 48, 55, 58, 78 and 79 but AFL rules state they can’t pay for Daicos with draft picks that exceed their amount of open list spots.

For example, if the Magpies have five vacancies on their senior list then only their first five draft picks can be cashed in to match the bid before they go into deficit next year, which would affect their first-round pick.

The Magpies could attempt to move pick 27 up the order or shuffle it into next year’s draft depending on how many list spots they keep open.

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The Pies have 6 spots now for picks 27 36 46 48 55 58
Not going to do that trade until draft night.
 
YeOldTiger said:
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No club is going to be keen to see us get three first round pics or even more second rounders. We will be the last club anyone wants to trade with. That was evident these last two weeks.
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Seemed like that in 2019 during the draft when we were trying trade down our 1st rounder, as we probably thought Dow would be available in the late 20s. There were no takers. Same in 2020, clubs low balling us for our first round pick. North, Hawks and WCE offered 2021 future 2nd rounders. Geelong were after Holmes, so we able to do the trade.
 
GoTigers2015 said:
The Pies have 6 spots now for picks 27 36 46 48 55 58
Not going to do that trade until draft night.
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Doesnt really matter what the Pies do fact remains that their picks 36 46 48 55 58 only have a value of 1512 so they must trade #27 for atleast another 100 points even if a bid comes in at pick #4.

plus we have the Bulldogs also needing to trade out #23 as well as multiple clubs looking for picks in the 30's and 40's
 
AFL Draft revisited: Every club’s draft picks and recruiting rated from 2016-2020
Just one of the Blues’ seven first-rounders from the past five drafts has become a proven regular. Has their recruiting been a failure? Every club rated, plus have your say.

RICHMOND

2016: Shai Bolton (29), Jack Graham (53), Ryan Garthwaite (72), Tyson Stengle (rookie)

2017: Jack Higgins (17), Callum Coleman-Jones (20), Noah Balta (25), Patrick Naish (34 father-son), Ben Miller (63), Liam Baker (rookie), Derek Eggmolesse-Smith (Cat B rookie)

2018: Riley Collier-Dawkins (20), Jack Ross (43), Fraser Turner (58), Luke English (62), Jake Aarts (rookie), Jacob Townsend (rookie), Mabior Chol (rookie), Sydney Stack (SSP), Mav Weller (SSP)

2019: Thomson Dow (21), Noah Cumberland (43), Will Martyn (44), Hugo Ralphsmith (46), Bigoa Nyuon (54), Marlion Pickett (mid-season)

2020: Samson Ryan (40), Maurice Rioli Jr (51 father-son), Mate Colina (Cat B rookie), Rhyan Mansell (SSP), Derek Eggmolesse-Smith (SSP), Matthew Parker (mid-season daft)

The Tigers haven’t had a pick inside 20 in this time and have done well to unearth premiership gems like Bolton, Graham and Baker, who was an inspired rookie selection, plus mid-season draft poster boy Marlion Pickett. Richmond’s first two selections in 2017 will both be at other clubs next season, which isn’t ideal, and the jury is still out on the classes of 2018-19. Riley Collier-Dawkins, Jack Ross, Thomson Dow and Hugo Ralphsmith have all shown promising signs but need to take the next step to show they can take the baton from Trent Cotchin, Shane Edwards and Co.

Rating: B

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YeOldTiger said:
Doesn't Soldo have to come back onto the main list ?
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He's still on the senior list and never left it, just moved to the LTI which then allows you to take another rookie and increase your list size by one, so it blew out the rookie list, we went to 7 rookies to end the year with the inclusion of parker. The delisting of Egg solves that and takes it back to the allowed maximum of 6
 
smurfin said:
All depends on how our recruiters rate this draft.
Is Van Rooyen worth using pick 15 on?
Is Gibcus worth using pick 7 on?
Are the players likely to be around the early 20s: Nevitt, Bazzo, Butler worth enough to trade 38 & 40 for a pick around that range?

I actually think we will play it similar to last year where we traded pick 20 out for a future first.
Pick 15 could be traded for a future first, depending what's available at the time.
Picks 26 & 28 could go for future upgrades from seconds to firsts.
We may feel picks 38 & 40 will get us similar players to what picks 26 & 28 would.

Plenty of clubs that could be desperate for picks: Saints, Carlton, Port, Dogs, Pies.
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Why would we do that!
wouldn't that put us behind these other teams
haven't we got a great hand to bring some great young talent in now?
I would be pissed if we did that.
 
Trade picks 38 & 40 to Collingwood for 27.
Trade 27 & 28 for Stkilda's 2022 first round pick with one of their picks in 60s back.

This will leave 7,15,26 and 67 plus a pick RD/SPP plus two 2022 first rounders and two 2nd rounders

Elevate Stack/PIckett/Aarts
Re-rookie Biggy and Cumbo
 
GoTigers2015 said:
Trade picks 38 & 40 to Collingwood for 27.
Trade 27 & 28 for Stkilda's 2022 first round pick with one of their picks in 60s back.

This will leave 7,15,26 and 67 plus a pick RD/SPP plus two 2022 first rounders and two 2nd rounders

Elevate Stack/PIckett/Aarts
Re-rookie Biggy and Cumbo
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Something like that is essentially what the club will do IMO, we do like to have the flexibility to pick up a player in the MSD too.

With the evenness of the draft this year between 5-30 I wouldn't be surprised if we keep our earlyish 2nd round picks and trade into future picks with the early 3rd rounders (38-40).

Pretty sure that there's going to be teams chasing all of our 2nd & 3rd's this year, particularly once they've used their picks on matching bids.
 

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GoTigers2015 said:
Trade picks 38 & 40 to Collingwood for 27.
Trade 27 & 28 for Stkilda's 2022 first round pick with one of their picks in 60s back.

This will leave 7,15,26 and 67 plus a pick RD/SPP plus two 2022 first rounders and two 2nd rounders

Elevate Stack/PIckett/Aarts
Re-rookie Biggy and Cumbo
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Saints won't give up their future 1st with Ben King unsigned.
If anything we should dangle our future 1st for pick 9.
 
Tiger_Of_Old said:
Saints won't give up their future 1st with Ben King unsigned.
If anything we should dangle our future 1st for pick 9.
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Not keen on trading any of our future picks as it looks like a much stronger draft for talls which is a big need now. Should probably be improving next year if anything.
 
Tortured Tiger said:
Not keen on trading any of our future picks as it looks like a much stronger draft for talls which is a big need now. Should probably be improving next year if anything.
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Yeah.I'm happy either way.
Although i must say 9 is tempting.It still could land us a Gibcus or an Andrew.
 
YeOldTiger said:
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No club is going to be keen to see us get three first round pics or even more second rounders. We will be the last club anyone wants to trade with. That was evident these last two weeks.
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I think clubs are more interested in picking themselves up rather than pushing the others down. We are flush for picks so like it or not we are the club that they are going to have to deal with.
 
Tiger_Of_Old said:
Yeah.I'm happy either way.
Although i must say 9 is tempting.It still could land us a Gibcus or an Andrew.
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Pick 9 would be tempting but I doubt they will put that up as an option. More likely their second or third round future picks I would think. I would be happy to trade 38 and 40 for a future second. Gives us three second round picks and a first so we can really attack next year and still have 4 quality picks this year.
 

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