List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

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[Barnard]

Interesting that Windhager has developed a “back” injury after he has been hyped up a bit of late by draft guru’s. Smart play by the saints.

 

[fargothegreat]

Watched the Mock Draft on the HS site just now, why? Because I'm a sucker.

Anyway, they did a live trade between Richmond and Adelaide at Pick 6 (after bids) where Richmond give up 9 and 17 for 6 and 35 (plus future swaps)... and then select Ben Hobbs.

I can't see us doing anything like that when Ben Hobbs could be available at our pick anyway.

I get the feeling we'd only live trade for Callaghan..... maybe Ward.

Hobbs seems to be very underrated on this board. A lot in the media seem to think clubs rate him ahead of Ward, including us.

He's more likely to be taken by Adelaide at 6 than to last to us at 9. That's the rationale for the trade. Even if Adelaide doesn't take him, the Hawks are a good chance to at the next pick.

 

[tiger_tough]

Interesting that Windhager has developed a “back” injury after he has been hyped up a bit of late by draft guru’s. Smart play by the saints.

I thought the same. Wonder if they'd be keen to trade out pick 9 and say a future 3rd for 26, 27, 28 knowing a bid is less likely now between 20-25?

 

[NZ_Tiger]

He was OK. Maybe our expectations were too high and we wanted a messiah.

I personally think expanding the league to 18 teams has diluted the talent so much that we see more and more average/role players.

A guy like Tambling who was good for 20 touches a week and maybe a goal here and there would be fine in most teams.

I also think this is why the game is quite crap to watch these days. Too many hacks. If we had less teams then the standard to earn a game every week would be higher and we'd be watching better footy.


Every time we do a 'state of origin' match (2008 and recently after the bushfires) I always thoroughly enjoy the game due to the top shelf talent.

I agree. I’d also ass that the requirement to take 3 draftees means lists are full of kids who’ll never make it. Half of the AFL sides get shown up in the VFL.

Rebuilding sides which seem to make up 1/3 of the league are consistently playing young kids that are wouldn’t warrant a start for port Melbourne, yet are playing league football in the name of potential and development.


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[Tygrys]

Watched the Mock Draft on the HS site just now, why? Because I'm a sucker.

Anyway, they did a live trade between Richmond and Adelaide at Pick 6 (after bids) where Richmond give up 9 and 17 for 6 and 35 (plus future swaps)... and then select Ben Hobbs.

I can't see us doing anything like that when Ben Hobbs could be available at our pick anyway.

I get the feeling we'd only live trade for Callaghan..... maybe Ward.

The one thing I have liked recently about our recruiting is that the only people that seemed to be in the know about who were going to draft was the club itself. For years it seemed it was common knowledge who our first pick would be eg remember when everyone knew we were going to reach and pick Conca before it happened.

Well I hope history isn't repeating itself with Ben Hobbs. Both here and other club boards it seems that Hobbs and Richmond are predestined. He seems ok I guess, although frankly there are others I find far more impressive that might be available. Personally I hope this Hobbs/Richmond thing has as much credence as the shotgun marriage that some wanted between Richmond and Tom Mitchell.

Maybe I'm just being self-indulgent, but i'd rather be surprised and thrilled on draft night, then simply thinking 'well that turned out alright I guess, we got the first rounders that everyone said that we were going to get'. Again I just hope that Hobbs is not some kind of lock this far out.

 

[Roksman]

anyone have a full list of the picks?

That Hobbs move would never happen

Not yet but from memory they did this....

1. NM - JHF
2. Coll - Daicos (Matched Bid)
3. WB - Darcy (Matched Bid)
4. GWS - Callaghan
5. GCS - Josh Gibcus
6. RICH - Ben Hobbs (Live Trade - Adelaide trades pick 6 and 33 to Richmond for picks 9 and 17, plus a swap of future second-round selections.)
7. HAW - Josh Ward
8. FRE - Jye Amiss
9. ADE - Josh Sinn
10. FRE - Wanganeen-Milera
11. STK - Matthew Johnson
12. WC - Neil Erasmus
13. ESS - Josh Rachele
14. PA - Matthew Roberts
15. GWS - Mac Andrew
16. BL - Arlo Draper
17. ADE - Josh Goater
18. SYD - Tyler Sonsie
19. MEL - Campbell Chesser
20. BL - Darcy Wilmot
21. FRE - Jacob Van Rooyen
22. NM - Leek Alleer
23. HAW - Zac Taylor
24. GEE - Tom Brown
25. HAW - Sam Butler
26. CAR - Jesse Motlop
27. RICH - Jack Williams
28. RICH - Angus Sheldrick
29 - We somehow lost pick 29 here - not sure if they made a mistake or traded it too?

Turns out I have a good memory....

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If this is how our draft turned out, there would be scenes in my living room. Underwhelming.

Hawthorn would be doing backflips with that haul.

 

[RichoLedio]

Not yet but from memory they did this....

1. NM - JHF
2. Coll - Daicos (Matched Bid)
3. WB - Darcy (Matched Bid)
4. GWS - Callaghan
5. GCS - Josh Gibcus
6. RICH - Ben Hobbs (Live Trade)
7. HAW - Josh Ward
8. FRE - Jye Amiss
9. ADE - Josh Sinn
10. FRE - Wanganeen-Milera
11. STK - Matthew Johnson
12. WC - Neil Erasmus
13. ESS - Josh Rachele
14. PA - Matthew Roberts
15. GWS - Mac Andrew
16. BL - Arlo Draper
17. ADE - Josh Goater
18. SYD - Tyler Sonsie
19. MEL - Campbell Chesser
20. BL - Darcy Wilmot
21. FRE - Jacob Van Rooyen
22. NM - Leek Alleer
23. HAW - Zac Taylor
24. GEE - Tom Brown
25. HAW - Sam Butler
26. CAR - Jesse Motlop
27. RICH - Jack Williams
28. RICH - Angus Sheldrick
29 - We somehow lost pick 29 here - not sure if they made a mistake or traded it too?

Turns out I have a good memory....

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If this is how our draft turned out, there would be scenes in my living room. Underwhelming.

Hawthorn would be doing backflips with that haul.

 

[fargothegreat]

anyone have a full list of the picks?

That Hobbs move would never happen

The full trade was picks 9 and 17 for their 6 and 35, plus a swap of future seconds.

Assuming we finish top six next year and Adelaide is bottom six, that means it's something like 9, 17 and 32 for 6, 22 and 35. That's not a bad deal for us.

Full list of picks is here:

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[Roksman]

The full trade was picks 9 and 17 for their 6 and 35, plus a swap of future seconds.

Assuming we finish top six next year and Adelaide is bottom six, that means it's something like 9, 17 and 32 for 6, 22 and 35. That's not a bad deal for us.

Full list of picks is here:

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I can't see Adelaide or Freo drafting Ben Hobbs, so if the club feel that way too.... We'd end up with Hobbs or Ward without the trade anyway.

I don't like it personally.

 

[Pomsta]

Richmond 2,19 (7,15,26 out)
GWS 6,7 (2,13 out)
Fremantle 8,13,15,26 (6,19 out and keep 8)

Could someone please send this to all three clubs involved. The Fremantle person who came up with this gave it some really good thought.

I'd be interested in this. We get who we believe is the 2nd best available in the draft. Then we either have the best player on the 2nd or we trade 19. I reckon we could get one of Geelong's 2nds this year plus a 1st next year. Supposedly next year is a better talls draft and I can see Geelong dropping. But I would prefer to give up 28 than 26.
Therefore go into the draft with 2, 26, 27 and 30 and have 2 1sts and 2 2nds next year. We won't have many draftees play this year as we will be still be seeing how our current players can play under VFL conditions and our old guys will still be the mainstay of the team.

 

[Ctl]

Not yet but from memory they did this....

1. NM - JHF
2. Coll - Daicos (Matched Bid)
3. WB - Darcy (Matched Bid)
4. GWS - Callaghan
5. GCS - Josh Gibcus
6. RICH - Ben Hobbs (Live Trade - Adelaide trades pick 6 and 33 to Richmond for picks 9 and 17, plus a swap of future second-round selections.)
7. HAW - Josh Ward
8. FRE - Jye Amiss
9. ADE - Josh Sinn
10. FRE - Wanganeen-Milera
11. STK - Matthew Johnson
12. WC - Neil Erasmus
13. ESS - Josh Rachele
14. PA - Matthew Roberts
15. GWS - Mac Andrew
16. BL - Arlo Draper
17. ADE - Josh Goater
18. SYD - Tyler Sonsie
19. MEL - Campbell Chesser
20. BL - Darcy Wilmot
21. FRE - Jacob Van Rooyen
22. NM - Leek Alleer
23. HAW - Zac Taylor
24. GEE - Tom Brown
25. HAW - Sam Butler
26. CAR - Jesse Motlop
27. RICH - Jack Williams
28. RICH - Angus Sheldrick
29 - We somehow lost pick 29 here - not sure if they made a mistake or traded it too?

Turns out I have a good memory....

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If this is how our draft turned out, there would be scenes in my living room. Underwhelming.

Hawthorn would be doing backflips with that haul.

Agree not that high on hobbs, this scenario reminds me a bit of the corey ellis draft where we take the fundamentally sound player over the higher upside big unit midfielder in Erasmus, Johnson, Goater. Sinn seems a bit high for a speedster with hamstring troubles

 

[Mr Magic]

Interesting that Windhager has developed a “back” injury after he has been hyped up a bit of late by draft guru’s. Smart play by the saints.

convenient isn't it

 

[blaisee]

The full trade was picks 9 and 17 for their 6 and 35, plus a swap of future seconds.

Assuming we finish top six next year and Adelaide is bottom six, that means it's something like 9, 17 and 32 for 6, 22 and 35. That's not a bad deal for us.

Full list of picks is here:

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shocking deal

Why would be want a pick in 30s when we have 3 in a row in the 20s

No chance of this happening

We will pick at 7(9) and take what's left

 

[Grrr]

Agree not that high on hobbs, this scenario reminds me a bit of the corey ellis draft where we take the fundamentally sound player over the higher upside big unit midfielder in Erasmus, Johnson, Goater. Sinn seems a bit high for a speedster with hamstring troubles

Agree, both Hobbs and Ward look very one paced, I don't get the raves. Jack Graham has shown that getting the ball at U18 level with average speed around the pack does not translate into getting it at AFL level. If you are tough and put your head over the ball in TAC games you can rack them up. Give me a player that can bust a pack with pace any day, unless they are Pendlebury, Bont types.

 

[RichoLedio]

Interesting that Windhager has developed a “back” injury after he has been hyped up a bit of late by draft guru’s. Smart play by the saints.

I reckon I'd come down with a back injury too if I knew I had to play at St Kilda

 

[Mr Magic]

shocking deal

Why would be want a pick in 30s when we have 3 in a row in the 20s

No chance of this happening

We will pick at 7(9) and take what's left

effectively we are selling the farm for 4??? WTF??

 

[Roksman]

It must be said, the person who made the trade is Jordan Pinto who is an SA journalist - hard to say it doesn't heavily favour Adelaide for this draft, not including the future swaps.

 

[Ctl]

convenient isn't it

Don't think this will make much of a difference, i'm guessing there will be a bunch of academy bids in the early 20's as the clubs have no option but to match essentially

 

[blaisee]

effectively we are selling the farm for 4??? WTF??

it makes no sense and will not happen ,

Hobbs could be available at 9 regardless, and I am not sure he is the one we want in any case

 

[poppa pump]

Not yet but from memory they did this....

1. NM - JHF
2. Coll - Daicos (Matched Bid)
3. WB - Darcy (Matched Bid)
4. GWS - Callaghan
5. GCS - Josh Gibcus
6. RICH - Ben Hobbs (Live Trade - Adelaide trades pick 6 and 33 to Richmond for picks 9 and 17, plus a swap of future second-round selections.)
7. HAW - Josh Ward
8. FRE - Jye Amiss
9. ADE - Josh Sinn
10. FRE - Wanganeen-Milera
11. STK - Matthew Johnson
12. WC - Neil Erasmus
13. ESS - Josh Rachele
14. PA - Matthew Roberts
15. GWS - Mac Andrew
16. BL - Arlo Draper
17. ADE - Josh Goater
18. SYD - Tyler Sonsie
19. MEL - Campbell Chesser
20. BL - Darcy Wilmot
21. FRE - Jacob Van Rooyen
22. NM - Leek Alleer
23. HAW - Zac Taylor
24. GEE - Tom Brown
25. HAW - Sam Butler
26. CAR - Jesse Motlop
27. RICH - Jack Williams
28. RICH - Angus Sheldrick
29 - We somehow lost pick 29 here - not sure if they made a mistake or traded it too?

Turns out I have a good memory....

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If this is how our draft turned out, there would be scenes in my living room. Underwhelming.

Hawthorn would be doing backflips with that haul.

Yuk,I'm starting to rate Josh Goater as equal to Callahan and would be happy as hell for Johnson, Erasmus,etc at 7(9).

 

[fargothegreat]

effectively we are selling the farm for 4??? WTF??

It must be said, the person who made the trade is Jordan Pinto who is an SA journalist - hard to say it doesn't heavily favour Adelaide for this draft, not including the future swaps.

I don't think 9, 17 and 32 for 6, 22 and 35 is a bad trade (estimating value of future picks).

 

[fargothegreat]

Yuk,I'm starting to rate Josh Goater as equal to Callahan and would be happy as hell for Johnson, Erasmus,etc at 7(9).

Callaghan is a much much cleaner player than Goater.

 

[Wacky Tiger]

Like if we really liked Hobbs and were worried the Hawks might pounce then you could possibly do


7 and one of (26,27 or 28) for 4 and 35. No way you'd include 15

Even still though youd have to really love Hobbs and be certain Hawks or Freo were going to pounce before our pick.

 

[Morro]

Like if we really liked Hobbs and were worried the Hawks might pounce then you could possibly do


7 and one of (26,27 or 28) for 4 and 35. No way you'd include 15

Even still though youd have to really love Hobbs and be certain Hawks or Freo were going to pounce before our pick.

Giving up 15 would hurt, but it would have to mean the club seriously rates the player they are trading up to get.

 

[Roksman]

Don't want to see 7 or 15 traded unless its for Callaghan.

Other than that, hold!