List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

[Lore]

 

[tigs2010]

Jack Williams is nothing like JR, lol, might be a bust to. Williams looks like a old school forward whereas JR is a leaper

Williams is too slow which is fine if you have Jack’s elite IQ but doubt he does

 

[Bojangles17]

I fully agree. Callaghan is all class, but what’s the point of players like he and Bolton if there’s no one there to feed it out to them? Inside midfielder should be number 1 priority for us and Hobbs is the best in this draft class. Never has there been a bigger emphasis on winning clearances than right now with 6-6-6

And when the clubhouse leader has that as their one wood as dimma would say

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

I fully agree. Callaghan is all class, but what’s the point of players like he and Bolton if there’s no one there to feed it out to them? Inside midfielder should be number 1 priority for us and Hobbs is the best in this draft class. Never has there been a bigger emphasis on winning clearances than right now with 6-6-6

Callaghan has more potential than any player in the draft when it comes to being able to win his own ball at the next level. This board seems to have come to the conclusion that Hobbs is the only player who is contested ball winner in this draft when the likes of Owens, Johnson, Callaghan, Horne Francis and Goater are either already ahead of Hobbs (JHF) or will likely develop better ball winning capacity as they mature.

I wouldn't be disappointed with Hobbs and have come around to him a little despite having a few areas of his game that I dislike. But we won't be trading up for him and Tigerbob has already stated that we prefer Ward in any case.

Williams is too slow which is fine if you have Jack’s elite IQ but doubt he does

And can't jump. Best case scenario he is like Brody Mihocek but more likely a Jack Hayes who dominates at state level but lacks the height and athletic ability to do it at the highest level.

 

[Mr Magic]

I honestly think Hobbs suits us best , we need a mid that rolls out of bed and gets 28 touches a game . He’s our man

Why is he going to get 28 touches a game? We are not talking Chris Judd or necessarily Tom Mitchell.

He is inside but there is little exposure.

This is where the differences of opinions of a number of prospects are quite broad in some respects.

Then there is what to do with Graham, Prestia and others?

 

[fargothegreat]

My biggest concern if we don't trade up is that the first 8 players taken are Horne-Francis, Daicos, Darcy, Callaghan, Gibcus, Rachelle, Hobbs and Ward (not neccessarily in that order).

Would leave us to either take the risk on Andrew, or pick a player from that next tier (Erasmus, Johnson, Goater, Amiss).

 

[tiger_tough]

I fully agree. Callaghan is all class, but what’s the point of players like he and Bolton if there’s no one there to feed it out to them? Inside midfielder should be number 1 priority for us and Hobbs is the best in this draft class. Never has there been a bigger emphasis on winning clearances than right now with 6-6-6

While I agree to a point I reckon it's been more of a coaching philosophy issue rather than a talent issue. Cotchin, Bolton, Edwards, Dusty and Prestia are all capable of putting up big clearance numbers. Add RCD in there too.

We won all 3 flags fully accepting the fact that we'd lose more clearances than we won but we also knew we could win it back most of the time too. The stand rule and the way the ball moved this year severely impacted our ability to win it back.

I reckon next year there will be more emphasis in winning the clearance ahead of setting up to win it back. We have the cattle already.

Best player available

 

[Jungle Noise]

I wouldn't be trading to get to 2.
There will be a great player at 7 (9). We will have a choice of Hobbs, Ward, Sonsie, Andrew, Johnson, Erasmus. Then at 15 we will have another multitude of choices. And then they can really speculate with X factor types at 26, 27 and 28.
We should not trade next year's first. Imagine if the injury gods curse us even more next year and we end up trading a top 5 pick?

Agree my only point is; if we got a key forward this draft ( he gets 1 year with Riewoldt on ground showing him the ropes). 2022 it will be Riewoldt ( hoping in a coaching roles , showing him). Big difference for me? What’s your thoughts on this?


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[sregit]

Williams is too slow which is fine if you have Jack’s elite IQ but doubt he does

I have watched him in 3 games and have seen nothing that indicates that he's slow. Do you have some statistics to back that up from combines or somewhere else?

 

[Ctl]

My biggest concern if we don't trade up is that the first 8 players taken are Horne-Francis, Daicos, Darcy, Callaghan, Gibcus, Rachelle, Hobbs and Ward (not neccessarily in that order).

Would leave us to either take the risk on Andrew, or pick a player from that next tier (Erasmus, Johnson, Goater, Amiss).

I would be happy with taking an Erasmus/Johnson/Goater, especially if the only way to move up is at the expense of another first rounder. There will be a lot of changes to the list in the next two- three years we should be taking as many picks as we can

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

I have watched him in 3 games and have seen nothing that indicates that he's slow. Do you have some statistics to back that up from combines or somewhere else?

Doesnt look slow but certainly not elite pace , I believe he has a good tank and can play Ruck to a level as he did in the SA/WA games and was also thrown into defence at times.

Need to also remember that Jack Williams is a december 2003 baby so he is younger than most and played this year as 17 year old

 

[Bojangles17]

While I agree to a point I reckon it's been more of a coaching philosophy issue rather than a talent issue. Cotchin, Bolton, Edwards, Dusty and Prestia are all capable of putting up big clearance numbers. Add RCD in there too.

We won all 3 flags fully accepting the fact that we'd lose more clearances than we won but we also knew we could win it back most of the time too. The stand rule and the way the ball moved this year severely impacted our ability to win it back.

I reckon next year there will be more emphasis in winning the clearance ahead of setting up to win it back. We have the cattle already.

Best player available

, when leaders of the pack are that good at clearances would be a strange strategy indeed to fail to address our biggest weakness : clearances

 

[fargothegreat]

I would be happy with taking an Erasmus/Johnson/Goater, especially if the only way to move up is at the expense of another first rounder. There will be a lot of changes to the list in the next two- three years we should be taking as many picks as we can

Personally, I'm probably taking Callaghan on his own over say Erasmus and Van Rooyen. I just feel like he's a much higher chance of becoming a real superstar. You only normally get the opportunity to draft that sort of player if you're rebuilding.

If you cast your mind back to the 2009 draft, Sydney offered us picks 6 (Gary Rohan) and 14 (Lewis Jetta) for pick 3 (Dusty). That there is the perfect example of why I'd do the trade and take Callaghan.

 

[sregit]

I would be happy with taking an Erasmus/Johnson/Goater, especially if the only way to move up is at the expense of another first rounder. There will be a lot of changes to the list in the next two- three years we should be taking as many picks as we can

Taking as many picks as possible is crazy. You only take picks you believe are quality else you'd be loading up on list cloggers.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Personally, I'm probably taking Callaghan on his own over say Erasmus and Van Rooyen. I just feel like he's a much higher chance of becoming a real superstar. You only normally get the opportunity to draft that sort of player if you're rebuilding.

If you cast your mind back to the 2009 draft, Sydney offered us picks 6 (Gary Rohan) and 14 (Lewis Jetta) for pick 3 (Dusty). That there is the perfect example of why I'd do the trade and take Callaghan.

Agree with that logic and I reckon most clubs would take Callaghan after the top 3. There’s no real comparisons to him this year with the same class and hurt factor

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

Doesnt look slow but certainly not elite pace , I believe he has a good tank and can play Ruck to a level as he did in the SA/WA games and was also thrown into defence at times.

Need to also remember that Jack Williams is a december 2003 baby so he is younger than most and played this year as 17 year old

The whole December, late birthday argument goes out the window when you're physically developed to the same level as you rest of your draft age, of which Williams is.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

The whole December, late birthday argument goes out the window when you're physically developed to the same level as you rest of your draft age, of which Williams is.

Yeah but he is not the same as the rest of the draft age , You cant tell me a 17 year old kid is as developed as he would be 12 months later !
If Williams was 3-4 weeks younger and had to play colts next year do you really believe he wouldnt have a bigger impact ? Have more fitness ? Or even have more height and size ?

 

[blaisee]

The whole December, late birthday argument goes out the window when you're physically developed to the same level as you rest of your draft age, of which Williams is.

no it doesn't

Mental maturity and growing into your body are key factors

 

[docko911]

Don’t really like the look of Hobbs… if we are going to pick up a player like that we may as well have traded 7 to Hawthorn for Mitchell (+ his salary pretty much paid).

Erasmus looks far more likely to have genuine impact at AFL level. Callaghan looks good too… would love if we worked out a way to get both.

 

[docko911]

The whole December, late birthday argument goes out the window when you're physically developed to the same level as you rest of your draft age, of which Williams is.

Only if the physical development stops but it could also mean he will be an athletic beast from early in his career which would be ideal for a KPF. Didn’t hurt Hawkins being big from the word go.

 

[Ctl]

Personally, I'm probably taking Callaghan on his own over say Erasmus and Van Rooyen. I just feel like he's a much higher chance of becoming a real superstar. You only normally get the opportunity to draft that sort of player if you're rebuilding.

If you cast your mind back to the 2009 draft, Sydney offered us picks 6 (Gary Rohan) and 14 (Lewis Jetta) for pick 3 (Dusty). That there is the perfect example of why I'd do the trade and take Callaghan.

Well I agree in trading up for Callaghan if he is regarded as genuinely elite, but not one or two spots for slightly higher rated prospects. It's also probably because im quite bullish on Erasmus/Johnson/Goater any way

 

[Bird Man]

I think Hobbs has an immediate impact this year. On the other hand Callaghan is a potential generational talent that will have impact in the following years

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

My biggest concern if we don't trade up is that the first 8 players taken are Horne-Francis, Daicos, Darcy, Callaghan, Gibcus, Rachelle, Hobbs and Ward (not neccessarily in that order).

Would leave us to either take the risk on Andrew, or pick a player from that next tier (Erasmus, Johnson, Goater, Amiss).

Wouldn't complain if it was Johnson.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

I'd be happy with 4 & 33 for 7 & 26, if it guarantees us Hobbs/Ward

Thats not a bad deal which would look appealing to the Crows.

 

[nineteen eighty]

I'm ok with best available mid as out 1st pick. For our 2nd, would be great to target someone who has the same draft profile as one of our young guns. Flashy, shows plenty but is inconsistent. Inconsistency can be taken out of a kid...talent can't be put in.

2016 AFL Draft prospects: Shai Bolton

Would you like this pacey half-forward at your club?

www.zerohanger.com

So question is, can our talent spotters identify such a kid?

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Personally, I'm probably taking Callaghan on his own over say Erasmus and Van Rooyen. I just feel like he's a much higher chance of becoming a real superstar. You only normally get the opportunity to draft that sort of player if you're rebuilding.

If you cast your mind back to the 2009 draft, Sydney offered us picks 6 (Gary Rohan) and 14 (Lewis Jetta) for pick 3 (Dusty). That there is the perfect example of why I'd do the trade and take Callaghan.

7/15 & Nths future 2nd?