List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

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[eDPS]

you're not special in that regard - anyone who spends any time at all on bigfooty is a nuffie with too much spare time!

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Just listened to the final podcast mock draft. There was no trading.

#9 - Josh Ward (Hobbs #7/Andrew #8
#17 - JVR (Amiss #15/Sonsie #16
#28 - Angus Sheldrick
#29 - Zac Taylor
#30 - Jack Williams
(Tom Brown #26/Judson Clarke #27)

Blake Howes went to WC @31

Thoughts?

I would take that

Where did Knevitt & Rachele get picked ?

 

[Wrenny]

I would take that

Where did Knevitt & Rachele get picked ?

Rachele was #6 to the crows. Knevitt #18 to swans

 

[PMBangers]

You didn't factor in that we have three picks in the range that you rightly rate Taylor?

I think come the actual draft, Taylor is more likely a 15-25 selection than 25-40. Admittedly, in the actual draft there's probably a live trade wwith your 20's picks further up which may mean you get him in the early 20's

Rachele rating was the interesting one for me , Love to know why so low

It's more to do with what I expect of Small Forwards than it is to do with Rachele, his positives are obviously immense and it's true that as a forward he does things that no one else can do, just a genuine x-factor player. I'm really strong minded with wanting small forwards to have a solid defensive/ pressure game, doesn't have to be outstanding but can't be a deficiency, and that's pretty much my only question mark on Rachele, without that defensive side I get too many Troy Menzel flashbacks. Now I do expect Rachele to end up better than Menzel obviously, but for the range he's being spoken about in for selection I'd be really hesitant

 

[NZ_Tiger]

What the hell went wrong with Troy Menzel

Troy Menzel

Age

31

Ht

187cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.0

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

2.5

2star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.6

5star

? One day he was an up and coming star and the next he’s traded to Adelaide and out of the league not long after.


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[Rioli2Rioli]

I think come the actual draft, Taylor is more likely a 15-25 selection than 25-40. Admittedly, in the actual draft there's probably a live trade wwith your 20's picks further up which may mean you get him in the early 20's


It's more to do with what I expect of Small Forwards than it is to do with Rachele, his positives are obviously immense and it's true that as a forward he does things that no one else can do, just a genuine x-factor player. I'm really strong minded with wanting small forwards to have a solid defensive/ pressure game, doesn't have to be outstanding but can't be a deficiency, and that's pretty much my only question mark on Rachele, without that defensive side I get too many Troy Menzel flashbacks. Now I do expect Rachele to end up better than Menzel obviously, but for the range he's being spoken about in for selection I'd be really hesitant

Thanks for the response

Players that come to mind are obviously Toby Greene & Chad Wingard when considering Rachele as i believe he has some good mid potential rather than just a small foward. How would you compare these 2 payers at the same age as Josh and its hard to compare potential to an established talent but do you not believe that the same level of potential is there with Rahcele ?

 

[PMBangers]

Thanks for the response

Players that come to mind are obviously Toby Greene & Chad Wingard when considering Rachele as i believe he has some good mid potential rather than just a small foward. How would you compare these 2 payers at the same age as Josh and its hard to compare potential to an established talent but do you not believe that the same level of potential is there with Rahcele ?

Yeah Greene's pretty accurate, but I think Greene has a defensive game. Both can play as inside mids but are arguably their most impactful in the forward half

 

[Wavvey]

Pick 7(9) should be best player available. Whoever our recruiters deems that to be. You could go through every line in our 22 and make a case for a role to be filled somewhere. Take BPA and supplement our most important needs with the next 4 picks.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Just listened to the final podcast mock draft. There was no trading.

#9 - Josh Ward (Hobbs #7/Andrew #8
#17 - JVR (Amiss #15/Sonsie #16
#28 - Angus Sheldrick
#29 - Zac Taylor
#30 - Jack Williams
(Tom Brown #26/Judson Clarke #27)

Blake Howes went to WC @31

Thoughts?

Which podcast?

Howes is 100 times more likely to go top 20 than outside 30. If we let him get past our picks Clarke should be sacked.

Not a fan of JVR at 17, don't need both him and Williams, and too many small smalls.

That's my thoughts.

I think come the actual draft, Taylor is more likely a 15-25 selection than 25-40. Admittedly, in the actual draft there's probably a live trade wwith your 20's picks further up which may mean you get him in the early 20's

No way we trade up for Taylor. I think your rating is closer than your prediction. But it's a raffle around there - I have guys like Butler, MacDonald, Owens, Wilmot, Draper and Murley all ahead of him.

On your Rachele/Menzel concern, I think you can be reassured that Rachele is a leading Victorian, where the pool is usually deep and particularly so this year, while Menzel suffered from the usual SA overrating of their meagre offerings (see Roberts this year), and he was lazy and full of himself. Rachele is a gun.

 

[Roksman]

Just listened to the final podcast mock draft. There was no trading.

#9 - Josh Ward (Hobbs #7/Andrew #8
#17 - JVR (Amiss #15/Sonsie #16
#28 - Angus Sheldrick
#29 - Zac Taylor
#30 - Jack Williams
(Tom Brown #26/Judson Clarke #27)

Blake Howes went to WC @31

Thoughts?

Am I the only one not too keen on JVR? Seems like he'll struggle at AFL level - from the small sample footage I've seen he seems pretty cumbersome.

 

[tigs2010]

I'm a nuffie with too much free time.

Don’t let that stop you though

 

[sregit]

Sinn’s average of 17 touches a game is a bit of a red flag for me. Obviously amount of touches a game isn’t everything, but generally speaking, the kids who struggle to find the ball at underage level only struggle further in the big league

He was playing HB not centre and was injured in 2 games. Therefore his possession rate was lower as would be expected.

 

[sregit]

Am I the only one not too keen on JVR? Seems like he'll struggle at AFL level - from the small sample footage I've seen he seems pretty cumbersome.

No you’re not the only one. I think JVR is a pick 40+ and I will be upset if we pick him with either of our first 2 picks.

 

[Bojangles17]

What the hell went wrong with Troy Menzel? One day he was an up and coming star and the next he’s traded to Adelaide and out of the league not long after.


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Lacked focus

 

[manangatang]

You shouldn't, I'm a nuffie with too much free time.

but thank you regardless

Can confirm

 

[Wrenny]

Which podcast?

Howes is 100 times more likely to go top 20 than outside 30. If we let him get past our picks Clarke should be sacked.

Not a fan of JVR at 17, don't need both him and Williams, and too many small smalls.

That's my thoughts.

Final siren podcast

 

[db26]

Am I the only one not too keen on JVR? Seems like he'll struggle at AFL level - from the small sample footage I've seen he seems pretty cumbersome.

His got the best hands and mark by a mile in the draft and we can settle him forward or back had a great year in colts.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Am I the only one not too keen on JVR? Seems like he'll struggle at AFL level - from the small sample footage I've seen he seems pretty cumbersome.

If you took van Rooyen and Gibcus. With some luck could have chf/chb tied up for 10 years ... (?)

1. diacos (pies)
2. calla (norf)
3. Horne (gws)
4. Darcy (dogs)
5. Andrews (suns)

6. Hobbs (crows)
7. Ward (hawks)
8. Rachele (freo)
9. Gibcus (Richmond)
10. Erasmus (freo)

11. Sinn (saints)
12. Johnson (eagles)
13. Amiss (drugs)
14. Wanganeen (port)
15. Sonsie (gws)

16. Goater (lions)

 

[Marcel Proust]

His got the best hands and mark by a mile in the draft and we can settle him forward or back had a great year in colts.

If a small is taken instead at 15 (17) it looks like some of the following are among the higher rated:

Draper. Cheeser. Wilmot. Butler. Brown. Etc...

 

[richoatthedisco]

His got the best hands and mark by a mile in the draft and we can settle him forward or back had a great year in colts.

Gibcus, Andrew, Williams, Rachele all better hands and marks.

 

[Roksman]

If you took van Rooyen and Gibcus. With some luck could have chf/chb tied up for 10 years ... (?)

I completely agree with your sentiments about Gibcus and would be very happy to draft him but I don't see it with JVR. He appears to lack pace/acceleration and I think he would really struggle to get seperation in the AFL especially with AFL level zonal defending - no anti density like in the juniors (not sure if that applies in WA).

 

[richoatthedisco]

I completely agree with your sentiments about Gibcus and would be very happy to draft him but I don't see it with JVR. He appears to lack pace/acceleration and I think he would really struggle to get seperation in the AFL especially with AFL level zonal defending - no anti density like in the juniors (not sure if that applies in WA).

And he can't jump. And his kicking under pressure is dodgy.

 

[Turka]

Apologies if this has been covered. But interesting take by Josh Sinn on his Top 10…The last two were Matthew Johnson and Neil Erasmus…Interesting that he sees Callaghan as #1…

 

[GoTigers2015]

 

[_RT_]

I completely agree with your sentiments about Gibcus and would be very happy to draft him but I don't see it with JVR. He appears to lack pace/acceleration and I think he would really struggle to get seperation in the AFL especially with AFL level zonal defending - no anti density like in the juniors (not sure if that applies in WA).

IIRC the same things were said about a young interstate KPF when he was coming through and and us old timers would remember there was one particular poster on here who was devastated when we took him at pick 13 many years ago.