Analysis 2021 draft thread

[jjami15]

Are his footskills any worse than Bailey's in his draft year?

From only limited viewing I would have to say yes. Bailey also played as a pure inside mid during the National champs which effects kicking efficiency.

 

[jackess]

From only limited viewing I would have to say yes. Bailey also played as a pure inside mid during the National champs which effects kicking efficiency.

He also probably trained and played much more than Goater would have over the past couple of years

 

[POBT]

Personally I wouldn't hesitate taking NWM at our first pick if he's there, I'm not sure if I've missed something but I haven't seen anything to suggest he's afraid of contact, in the first WA/SA game alone he backed into a pack a couple times taking the mark in one and getting cleaned up in another. He's certainly an outside player which is where you want him getting the ball. He's played a lot of senior footy this season and for a really lightly built kid that only rocketed up boards this year I think it's a good sign for his development. I haven't watched much of if any of NWM during his previous years so I'm not sure if he's always been this tall but it wouldn't surprise me if he's still growing into his body. I do agree that he's a higher risk pick compared to some others that may be available but with how good his outside game is matched with his size he could be something pretty special.

I should add that I am certainly not expressing a view one way or another on NWM. Its a pretty big knock on a junior player to say that they can't win a contest and I am not in a position to make that assessment. Even at junior level, some players play a more outside game because that's where their skills are best utilised, not because they shirk contact. Just because NWM plays wide, doesn't mean he can't win a contest.

I think the other thing we need to keep in mind is that we are going to be selecting from players with more question marks over them, than we would if we had a top 10 selection.

 

[jjami15]

He also probably trained and played much more than Goater would have over the past couple of years

This is true.

 

[blueiris]

The major problem with NWM is he probably doesn’t get enough of the football I understand he plays on the wing/HB but you see players like McCluggage Playing on the wing getting massive amounts of possessions surely they are the new wingman of the next generation

 

[jackess]

The major problem with NWM is he probably doesn’t get enough of the football I understand he plays on the wing/HB but you see players like McCluggage Playing on the wing getting massive amounts of possessions surely they are the new wingman of the next generation

There are more possessions in an AFL match compared to SANFL or state carnival level

 

[mattsmob]

The major problem with NWM is he probably doesn’t get enough of the football I understand he plays on the wing/HB but you see players like McCluggage Playing on the wing getting massive amounts of possessions surely they are the new wingman of the next generation

I wouldn't say Hugh gets massive amounts of possessions, a lot of them come from playing in the midfield at the end of quarters because he covers so much ground. Gaff is probably the biggest accumulating winger in the comp and even he sets up behind almost every stoppage making it easier to rack up touches. I believe the new generation of winger's are tall, athletic and can get up and down the ground all day, if they have good skills then that could set apart the best from the rest.

 

[briztoon]

Are his footskills any worse than Bailey's in his draft year?

That’s been a point of discussion on the draft board.

When played off the half back, he’s a decent kick with time and space.

When played in the midfield, he rushes his kicks, even when he has the time, and his form is horrible.

My “belief” is that with good coaching, that he’d improve his kick, much the same way Bailey and Robertson have.

Might take him a season in the reserve’s, but I would hope we have the skills coaches to make him the player I believe he could be.

 

[mattsmob]

When played in the midfield, he rushes his kicks, even when he has the time, and his form is horrible.

What is it that makes his form horrible? When he's running flat out his kicking looks bad but that's the same with most, I've seen a few people saying his action is bad but it's nowhere near what Dev's was and still is to some extent.

 

[briztoon]

What is it that makes his form horrible? When he's running flat out his kicking looks bad but that's the same with most, I've seen a few people saying his action is bad but it's nowhere near what Dev's was and still is to some extent.

More about the ball drop or throwing it on to the boot, and then a poor connection with ball slicing off the boot or not making the distance.

 

[dizzysquizz]

Pick 16: Chesser, If somehow Goater is available then I would take him.
Pick 20: Blake Howes, possibly JVR
Pick 40: Sam Banks, Lewis Rayson, or best available 3rd type tall defender.

 

[scoman]

Pick 14- The Hornet
Pick 18- Daicos
Pick 41- Darcy

Get it done Lions, and if you can't I'm done with this joke of a club!!

 

[Dalions]

Pick 14- The Hornet
Pick 18- Daicos
Pick 41- Darcy

Get it done Lions, and if you can't I'm done with this joke of a club!!

I would go Gibcus instead of Darcy at 41.
But hey, that’s just me.

 

[scoman]

I would go Gibcus instead of Darcy at 41.
But hey, that’s just me.

Yeah a better fit list wise you think? I guess by pick 41 we should consider needs.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

If I did a phantom draft, I'd have JVR and Owens as our picks. I don't want us to use 14 on a KPP, but it sticks in my mind that Conole rated JVR as being the best on ground in the interstate game, and I'm not sure he'd want to risk him sliding to 18. Daly has mentioned inside and outside players, ideally looking for some outside run, and Owens combines outside run with ball winning. I can see him being picked up to play on the wing when McCluggage gets moved inside full-time.

 

[mattsmob]

If I did a phantom draft, I'd have JVR and Owens as our picks. I don't want us to use 14 on a KPP, but it sticks in my mind that Conole rated JVR as being the best on ground in the interstate game, and I'm not sure he'd want to risk him sliding to 18. Daly has mentioned inside and outside players, ideally looking for some outside run, and Owens combines outside run with ball winning. I can see him being picked up to play on the wing when McCluggage gets moved inside full-time.

Personally I think I'd be a little disappointed with those picks if they were to eventuate, I don't view either as potential difference makers and don't think either have any particularly elite skills. JVR wouldn't really be close to my BPA at 14 and if we're looking for outside run I think there are much better options than Owens at our pick 18.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Personally I think I'd be a little disappointed with those picks if they were to eventuate, I don't view either as potential difference makers and don't think either have any particularly elite skills. JVR wouldn't really be close to my BPA at 14 and if we're looking for outside run I think there are much better options than Owens at our pick 18.

I agree. If I were the one picking I'd be going BPA at both picks, which would probably be a flanker and a midfielder.

 

[jackess]

I agree. If I were the one picking I'd be going BPA at both picks, which would probably be a flanker and a midfielder.

So you're only picking BPA on the assumption they suit our needs? I think that's a bit backwards

 

[Johnny Bananas]

So you're only picking BPA on the assumption they suit our needs? I think that's a bit backwards

Not at all. I simply think the most talented players left at our picks will be flankers and midfielders. This draft is full of them, whereas the KPP crop is pretty weak outside Darcy and Amiss.

 

[mattsmob]

I agree. If I were the one picking I'd be going BPA at both picks, which would probably be a flanker and a midfielder.

I don't think it's too much of a stretch for Bazzo or JVR to be best available at 18 as they're probably in and around the group of players there. I've probably got a top 13 that I really like not including the two f/s boys, however it's more than likely that someone comes from outside my personal top 13 to be picked before our pick so I'm confident there will be someone I really like at our first pick.

 

[briztoon]

I don't think it's too much of a stretch for Bazzo or JVR to be best available at 18 as they're probably in and around the group of players there. I've probably got a top 13 that I really like not including the two f/s boys, however it's more than likely that someone comes from outside my personal top 13 to be picked before our pick so I'm confident there will be someone I really like at our first pick.

I wouldn’t personally have JVR or Bazzo in my top 20. Probably not in my top 25 either.

As I’ve mentioned plenty of times already, I don’t believe JVR has the size or athleticism to make it as a forward at afl level.

And I believe Bazzo has more development in him and long term potential.

It sucks for us that there doesn’t look to be any KPP’s at our picks, but that’s how the talent falls some times.

If we’re set on at least one KPP, I believe we be better off trading back and taking who ever is left at that pick.

 

[mattsmob]

I wouldn’t personally have JVR or Bazzo in my top 20. Probably not in my top 25 either.

As I’ve mentioned plenty of times already, I don’t believe JVR has the size or athleticism to make it as a forward at afl level.

And I believe Bazzo has more development in him and long term potential.

It sucks for us that there doesn’t look to be any KPP’s at our picks, but that’s how the talent falls some times.

If we’re set on at least one KPP, I believe we be better off trading back and taking who ever is left at that pick.

Agree completely on JVR, Bazzo I think could be a very good player and probably worth a risk around 18-25 for me. It's becoming more regular but there's still not many guys his height that move as smoothly and have the potential to use the ball like he does. There's not many non KPP around the 20 mark that I'm too confident in so I'd probably rather the chance on Bazzo.

 

[blueiris]

I don't think it's too much of a stretch for Bazzo or JVR to be best available at 18 as they're probably in and around the group of players there. I've probably got a top 13 that I really like not including the two f/s boys, however it's more than likely that someone comes from outside my personal top 13 to be picked before our pick so I'm confident there will be someone I really like at our first pick.

Whatever Conole wants to do with our picks I’d back him in to get it right if he does go JVR he probably see him more as a defender at AFL level

 

[mattsmob]

Whatever Conole wants to do with our picks I’d back him in to get it right if he does go JVR he probably see him more as a defender at AFL level

Absolutely, many people know a lot more than I do and I'll give the club the benefit of the doubt with who they draft, I've still got preferences for what I'd be trying to do and will naturally feel one way or another depending on who we draft. I just wish the draft wasn't so long after the season.

 

[briztoon]

Agree completely on JVR, Bazzo I think could be a very good player and probably worth a risk around 18-25 for me. It's becoming more regular but there's still not many guys his height that move as smoothly and have the potential to use the ball like he does. There's not many non KPP around the 20 mark that I'm too confident in so I'd probably rather the chance on Bazzo.

I believe most of the non KPP’s in the 15 to 25 range (which is probably 9 out 10 players), look pretty good.

It’s just quite a few don’t fill a need, as they are either mid forwards or smaller mids.

Tyler Sonsie, Arlo Draper, Zac Taylor, Sam Butler and Judson Clarke all look quite capable, and most of them probably make it, but would be behind Rayner and Bailey, and Ashcroft next year, as mid forwards.

I’d probably have all, or most of them, ahead of Mitch Knevitt and Mitch Owens.

I would have Sinn ahead of them all, with Chesser ahead of a lot of them, with Wilmot and Tom Brown in the mix in their as well.

And I would probably have all or most of them ahead of JVR and Bazzo.


Depends on how the draft plays out, but with all the kids I’ve listed above, on pure talent, I’d rate Sinn, Sonsie, Chesser and Taylor as the top 4, and wouldn’t be disappointed if we drafted two of them as best talent available at our first two picks.