Analysis 2021 draft thread

[briztoon]

Btw just checked out the first quarter of the tassie qld under 19s game and that ruck for tassie (26) looks very good. Not sure when he is eligible but hopefully we got our eye on him

Pretty confident we won’t be drafting another young ruck.

 

[briztoon]

We’re going to need more points for 2022.

 

[mattsmob]

We’re going to need more points for 2022.

Liking the look of Fletcher?

 

[mattsmob]

Can’t complain about having good f/s or academy prospects but next years draft look very good, the talls playing today have been very impressive so far.

 

[blueiris]

Amiss injured? Haven’t seen much of him at all

 

[mattsmob]

Amiss injured? Haven’t seen much of him at all

Yeah knee problem very early, came back on but had another knock, doubt we’ll see him again today.

 

[blueiris]

Yeah knee problem very early, came back on but had another knock, doubt we’ll see him again today.

My interest in the game just decreased

 

[Sproj]

My interest in the game just decreased

You'll give it...a miss?

*I'll show myself out*

 

[briztoon]

Can’t complain about having good f/s or academy prospects but next years draft look very good, the talls playing today have been very impressive so far.

Yeah, a fair bit of discussion on the draft board about how strong next year’s crop looks.

A lot of good young rucks, forward rucks and KPF’s. A lot of good mids as well.

 

[Quigley]

If Goater or Sinn are available at our first pick, and we pass on them, I’ll be a tad put out.

I would be very happy with one of those guys but I will be a bit put out if we do not take at least one KP. We have an unbalanced list at the moment and are not likely to rebalance it next year.

With Amiss having the injury I am starting to hope he might be available when we pick. Getting him onboard would be help the balance a lot imo. Van Rooyan did well at the back and then swung forward to kick the winning goals against SA on the weekend. I would like him as well. Interestingly I was reading that van Rooyan has played some midfield this year. For those after a big bodied mid he would certainly fit that bill although I have not see how he goes there.

I have also been turning my mind to our third pick. The one guy who has been under the radar virtually all year and again missed the Qld v Tas match is Sam Banks. I haven't seen much of him but what I have he has looked good. Hard at it HBF with good disposal skills, AFL academy player. If he is there in the third round I hope we decide to take him. The other who I liked for us from that Tasmanian game was Sanders. Another mid/HBF with very nice skills.

 

[jjami15]

I would be very happy with one of those guys but I will be a bit put out if we do not take at least one KP. We have an unbalanced list at the moment and are not likely to rebalance it next year.

With Amiss having the injury I am starting to hope he might be available when we pick. Getting him onboard would be help the balance a lot imo. Van Rooyan did well at the back and then swung forward to kick the winning goals against SA on the weekend. I would like him as well. Interestingly I was reading that van Rooyan has played some midfield this year. For those after a big bodied mid he would certainly fit that bill although I have not see how he goes there.

I have also been turning my mind to our third pick. The one guy who has been under the radar virtually all year and again missed the Qld v Tas match is Sam Banks. I haven't seen much of him but what I have he has looked good. Hard at it HBF with good disposal skills, AFL academy player. If he is there in the third round I hope we decide to take him. The other who I liked for us from that Tasmanian game was Sanders. Another mid/HBF with very nice skills.

Banks is definitely a name that has been highlighted here on this board. Could he last to one of our third picks? I know I recently posted about not taking a KPP in the draft, however if we were take three ‘live’ picks and one was to be used later on a player like Banks then I would be open to it. I was of the belief that we had to upgrade Madden but I believe the rookie rules have changed, is that so? Earlier in the year the club highlighted run and carry and also KPP. I don’t personally see Amiss lasting till one of our picks and it will be interesting to see where Gibcus goes. The Suns desperately need KPP’s but they can get those with their two second rounders. I can see Gibcus slide purely as teams picking earlier than us have greater needs and possibly as their rankings might not have him as high. KPD’s taken early usually are next level talent at that position, does Gibcus show this? We’ve had no real viewing of these players so it’s hard to judge.

 

[Quigley]

They changed to rule temporarily so that rookies can have a fourth year on the rookie list without going back into the draft.

KM recently had Gibcus falling quite a lot and that is something I could definitely see happening. He has a reputation as an elite intercept defender but his one on one numbers are poor. Personally I am not that keen to take a defender in the first round who is below average man on man. FWIW he also had Bazzo in the 40s which I am not seeing.

 

[irel]

I would be very happy with one of those guys but I will be a bit put out if we do not take at least one KP. We have an unbalanced list at the moment and are not likely to rebalance it next year.

With Amiss having the injury I am starting to hope he might be available when we pick. Getting him onboard would be help the balance a lot imo. Van Rooyan did well at the back and then swung forward to kick the winning goals against SA on the weekend. I would like him as well. Interestingly I was reading that van Rooyan has played some midfield this year. For those after a big bodied mid he would certainly fit that bill although I have not see how he goes there.

I have also been turning my mind to our third pick. The one guy who has been under the radar virtually all year and again missed the Qld v Tas match is Sam Banks. I haven't seen much of him but what I have he has looked good. Hard at it HBF with good disposal skills, AFL academy player. If he is there in the third round I hope we decide to take him. The other who I liked for us from that Tasmanian game was Sanders. Another mid/HBF with very nice skills.

Quigs, I don't believe we have list spots vacant for three picks in this draft. We may only use two picks and trade into next years with the remainder. However if we somehow manufacture three picks I think Triffettt is my guy for that pick. From the first game I saw him he caught my eye as someone with high end AFL traits. He can be developed (I believe) into a quality midfielder.

 

[Quigley]

Quigs, I don't believe we have list spots vacant for three picks in this draft. We may only use two picks and trade into next years with the remainder. However if we somehow manufacture three picks I think Triffettt is my guy for that pick. From the first game I saw him he caught my eye as someone with high end AFL traits. He can be developed (I believe) into a quality midfielder.

We have to take three picks this year (although we could use one to upgrade a rookie). Someone on here (Patty maybe?) had a firm opinion that there would be a couple more slots opened up come trade time. At the moment I am expecting us to take three picks into the draft.

Triffett though is worth a look. He improved over the year in the VFL and was the most consistent top up we had albeit not the most spectacular. He has good size and is very strong in that inside role. He reads the taps very well and gets first hands on the ball a lot. He is clean enough but his hands are not particularly quick and he gets caught with the ball a lot. At the lower levels he can use his strength to shovel it out but I am not sure how that translates to the next level. Skills wise he is solid although not very damaging and he can miss a target on occasions. Up forward he is handy and he can take a mark and will bustle about and create opportunities for others. He has toned up and added bulk this year and looks a lot better for it. Athletically it is a bit hard to judge but he seems mid pack.

 

[Section 5]

Seeing the Lions have list spot issues has their been any talk about the Lions eager to move up the draft order
Pick 14 & 18 equal to pick 4
Is their a player in the top 10 that fits a need for our club in the next two years
Is their another club/clubs likely to want to trade a top 10 pick for multiple picks

 

[brisbanelions]

Would love it if Erasmus got to us. Looks a great player. Would be happy to take him in the top 3. Not a fan of taking KP players in first round. We got guys like Andrews, mctsay and Gardner outside first round. Would rather bulk up our mids and flankers. Can use later picks on suspect key position players. Number one trait for me in any player is competitiveness. If they don’t burn when they lose it’s a red flag. At this stage makes more sense to keep our future first. Can use it during trade period next year if the salary cap permits or create a bidding war on draft night

I absolutely love Erasmus. His marking overhead and field kicking,I really like. Watched the whole Geelong reserves vs academy game. He and a couple of others stood out to me.Since then from what I have seen my love for Erasmus has not diminished.

 

[Quigley]

If we ended up with pick 8 say in a Neale deal, Erasmus is one I would be keen on us taking.

 

[blueiris]

If we ended up with pick 8 say in a Neale deal, Erasmus is one I would be keen on us taking.

WTF? Has Neale asked for a trade

 

[Section 5]

WTF? Has Neale asked for a trade

Not happening
Shannon Neale from Geelong is under contract till 2022

 

[Quigley]

WTF? Has Neale asked for a trade

No but a couple of commentators have said they still expect it to happen. If it were to happen this year makes the most sense so I am not ruling it out.

FWIW I agree with briztoon on the need to improve our run through the midfield and think losing Neale would not be the worst thing in the world.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Quigs, I don't believe we have list spots vacant for three picks in this draft. We may only use two picks and trade into next years with the remainder. However if we somehow manufacture three picks I think Triffettt is my guy for that pick. From the first game I saw him he caught my eye as someone with high end AFL traits. He can be developed (I believe) into a quality midfielder.

We only need to draft Triffett if someone else also wants him. If not we could just keep him as a VFL top-up and see how he goes. Although we may not have bid matching rights next year.

 

[briztoon]

Seeing the Lions have list spot issues has their been any talk about the Lions eager to move up the draft order
Pick 14 & 18 equal to pick 4
Is their a player in the top 10 that fits a need for our club in the next two years
Is their another club/clubs likely to want to trade a top 10 pick for multiple picks

The top two open draft kids are Jason Horne-Francis and Callaghan.

I doubt that North or GWS trade out of those picks.

After that it really opens up. There’s no consensus next best kid.

Players that would suit us would be Erasmus, Sinn, Goater or Wanganeen-Milera. One of them could be available at our first pick, or all 4 could go top 10.

I wouldn’t trade up for the KPP’s discussed as top 10, Gibcus (KPD) or Mac Andrew (Ruck Forward) or Amiss.

The rest of the mids are shorter 180cm - 183cm, who I’m not so keen on, purely because we have Ashcroft and Fletcher coming in next year.

 

[briztoon]

We only need to draft Triffett if someone else also wants him. If not we could just keep him as a VFL top-up and see how he goes. Although we may not have bid matching rights next year.

I’m pretty sure Triffet is 19 this year and ages out of our academy. We would have to pay him to come back as a VFL top up next year. Unless he wants to play for free.

It was somewhat curious that we didn’t have any 18 year old top ups in the VFL team, or any who played in the QLD team on the weekend.

 

[mattsmob]

The rest of the mids are shorter 180cm - 183cm, who I’m not so keen on, purely because we have Ashcroft and Fletcher coming in next year.

I still like Johnson as that taller mid that with a couple preseasons could become quite a physical player with the class and ball use to match it. Not sure how tall Arlo Draper is but I liked what I saw from him on the weekend before he got injured, played in defence so showed his versatility there. Would need a bit to go right for him but has the athletic profile to be an explosive mid that can float foward.

 

[briztoon]

They changed to rule temporarily so that rookies can have a fourth year on the rookie list without going back into the draft.

KM recently had Gibcus falling quite a lot and that is something I could definitely see happening. He has a reputation as an elite intercept defender but his one on one numbers are poor. Personally I am not that keen to take a defender in the first round who is below average man on man. FWIW he also had Bazzo in the 40s which I am not seeing.

Personally I have Bazzo higher than JVR.

Yes JVR can play forward, but I believe he will struggle up forward at AFL level.

I think Bazzo projects as a taller more genuine KPP version of Ridley from Essendon. He’s also long limbed, so can play taller than his height. He’s also a decent kick and has good pace for a taller player.

I don’t know if he’s ever been tried forward.