Analysis 2021 draft thread

[Section 5]

Seeing the Lions would like to get a big midfielder (well BF posters anyhow) i wonder if we have any interest in Gregory Clark from WA
24 years old - 193 cm - 94 kg - Midfield
Won Simpson Medal WAFL 2021 Grand Final as vice captain of Subiaco's win over South Freemantle
Opted out of mid season 2021 draft to go into National Draft
Was WA's captain in the 2015 national championships. However not picked up by any AFL club
Had a 15.05 beep test in 2015 so good considering his size
Highlight reel below from 2015. I assume he will get another one this year

Draft prospect: Greg Clark

Watch potential 2015 draftee Greg Clark in action

www.afl.com.au

Season 2021 for Subiaco: Games 19 for 10 goals 11 behinds: Averages - Disposals 27.1 - Marks 5 - Tackles 7

Below a bit of his history since 2016. Appears to improve each year
PLAYER OF THE ROUND 14 (2021) – GREG CLARK (SUBIACO)
His progression has been right on track with expectations from colts captain to regular league player, premiership player and now leader, but his performance on Saturday for Subiaco against West Perth is going to be mighty tough to top.

Clark has always been someone that even when Subiaco were going through successful eras that was earmarked has someone capable of leading that new generation when he was a standout colts captain.

That transformation has certainly been happening and he did get a couple of league opportunities in a Subiaco premiership year of 2015 but then after cementing himself for a lot of the 2016 season, he lost his place ahead of the finals with the Lions ending up losing the Grand Final to Peel Thunder.

He took his game up another level in 2016 and this time played in Subiaco's first two finals, but he lost his spot in the Grand Final but the heartbreak of that wasn’t what it could have been given it turned out to be another loss to the Thunder.

But over 2018 and 2019, Clark had no worries about his place in the team and there would be nothing stopping him being part of Subiaco's success. They would win back-to-back premierships and he was a key member of the sides of both teams.

He then had another good year in the shortened 2020 WAFL season and has started 2021 brilliantly, and there's no question his performance on Saturday in Subiaco's three-point win against West Perth was the best of his 77-game career.

Not only did he finish with the remarkable numbers of 37 possessions, 11 marks, eight tackles and five entries inside the forward 50, but he kicked the winning goal in the dying stages in remarkable fashion.

With Subiaco forcing a boundary throw-in in their forward pocket and trailing, Lachlan Delahunty tapped it down to the waiting Clark, who weaved his way through space to kick truly and kick the Lions into the lead and they remained unbeaten in 2021.

 

[blueiris]

Chesser was on Road To The Draft seems like a level headed kid someone who is in our draft range who would be a good pickup

 

[briztoon]

Chesser was on Road To The Draft seems like a level headed kid someone who is in our draft range who would be a good pickup

That friendship with Eddie McGuire though…

 

[trikster]

That friendship with Eddie McGuire though…

yup, if ever there was a red flag on a draftee

 

[irel]

 

[pulpdriver]

Doesn't look like we'll be manufacturing another first rounder so one of Sinn, Goater, Wilmot or Chesser along with Van Rooyen would be a good fit imo.

 

[briztoon]

I don’t like our chances of moving any of our later picks out for a future pick or packaged up for higher pick.

Collingwood have 5 picks before our pick 50, and the Bulldogs have 3 picks inside 50. Though Collingwood probably trades at least one of those picks for Lipinski.

So 50 probably moves up 5 spots to 45. But then back 5 spots as GWS, St Kilda x2, Port and Freo all have kids who will be matched with later picks.

Still would prefer a pick inside 40 if we’re keen on Sam Banks.

 

[irel]

Just to remind everyone of a very important aspect in the trade period.

You got to know when to hold 'em,
Know when to fold 'em,
Know when to walk away,
And know when to run.
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table.
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealing's done.

Once the dealing is done and settled we'll have plenty of aces to clean up.
I have no issues with our patient game during this early stage of the trade period. There is another month and a half of pick trading including draft night when our later picks move up the order and become just that bit more valuable as players slip down the order.

Appologie to Kenny Rogers

 

[BangyBangy]

Just to remind everyone of a very important aspect in the trade period.

You got to know when to hold 'em,
Know when to fold 'em,
Know when to walk away,
And know when to run.
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table.
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealing's done.

Once the dealing is done and settled we'll have plenty of aces to clean up.
I have no issues with our patient game during this early stage of the trade period. There is another month and a half of pick trading including draft night when our later picks move up the order and become just that bit more valuable as players slip down the order.

Appologie to Kenny Rogers

Again, watching the trade show last night on Fox, the panelists were bullish on Melbourne for a three peat, maybe four even. Now that they have brought in even more depth with Dunstan.

Couldn't believe that none of their potential rivals i.e. Dogs, Port, Geelong, Lions, haven't made any trades to strengthen their lists to beat Melbourne next year.

Then they kinda went in the opposite direction talking about how important the development of their existing mid level players was in their season & premiership this year. .. .. . wtf?

Not one of those panelists would've predicted Melbourne to make the top 4 let alone the flag this time last year. Who knows which teams will have players who have career best years in 2022.

I have no problem with us being calculated rather than desperate in this draft.

Keep in mind, everyone is talking about due to the covid interrupted seasons you can find some real gems later in the draft compared to other years due to the smaller sample size of games. Then clearly the opposite to this must be true also.

 

[jjami15]

Again, watching the trade show last night on Fox, the panelists were bullish on Melbourne for a three peat, maybe four even. Now that they have brought in even more depth with Dunstan.

Couldn't believe that none of their potential rivals i.e. Dogs, Port, Geelong, Lions, haven't made any trades to strengthen their lists to beat Melbourne next year.

Then they kinda went in the opposite direction talking about how important the development of their existing mid level players was in their season & premiership this year. .. .. . wtf?

Not one of those panelists would've predicted Melbourne to make the top 4 let alone the flag this time last year. Who knows which teams will have players who have career best years in 2022.

I have no problem with us being calculated rather than desperate in this draft.

Keep in mind, everyone is talking about due to the covid interrupted seasons you can find some real gems later in the draft compared to other years due to the smaller sample size of games. Then clearly the opposite to this must be true also.

The panelists and media are all sheep and in all honesty just ramble on garbage. I have actually stopped watching all major AFL televisions shows and am much happier for it. Oh, and don't get me started when they use the word AFL Legend in the headline of an article and it's the bloody likes of Dal Santo or Montagna etc.

 

[Nuggo]

Didn't you know every AFL player is a Star therefore if you are on TV talking about all these Stars then you must be a Legend

 

[The Zork]

Outside the commentators who sit through games, not confident that many “experts” watch bulk games.
The show game day that used to be on seven, they used to do 3 things I learnt after reviewing a game - the things they said were actually written for them by producers.

 

[blueiris]

That friendship with Eddie McGuire though…

I’m sure there are people who have friendships with Ed that are good guys

 

[briztoon]

I’m sure there are people who have friendships with Ed that are good guys

 

[mattsmob]

If we could trade one of our first round picks + our future first to get inside the top 10 how many people would do that?

 

[Dalions]

If we could trade one of our first round picks + our future first to get inside the top 10 how many people would do that?

Would have to think that the only way that happens is if during the draft itself there is someone still on the board that we rate in the top 4 or 5 imo.

 

[pulpdriver]

If we could trade one of our first round picks + our future first to get inside the top 10 how many people would do that?

Nah, there's just no significant divide between the first round. There's like 30 players that warrant being taken inside the first round. We would need to be frothing at the mouth for one of our targets to do it.

 

[mattsmob]

Nah, there's just no significant divide between the first round. There's like 30 players that warrant being taken inside the first round. We would need to be frothing at the mouth for one of our targets to do it.

I do agree the first round is pretty even but I also see there's a bit of a gap between a Goater/NWM who may be available at 10 and the guys at the end of the first round. I also agree with Dalions that it would be best to wait and see who's there on draft night.

 

[pulpdriver]

I do agree the first round is pretty even but I also see there's a bit of a gap between a Goater/NWM who may be available at 10 and the guys at the end of the first round. I also agree with Dalions that it would be best to wait and see who's there on draft night.

I honestly haven't seen enough to have an indefensible opinion. NWM has done very impressive things over the last 8 weeks and against serious opposition and Goater moved phenomenally well for a guy his size, get him on ball and he could be anything. Horne-Francis showed he's going to be a special talent a few weeks ago but the rest of the group? Put a blanket over it. I do very much want Van Rooyen though. Was sublime in the WAFL final. Just a natural forward though more than enough scope to develop at either end

 

[mattsmob]

I honestly haven't seen enough to have a indefensible opinion. NWM has done very impressive things over the last 8 weeks and against serious opposition and Goater moved phenomenally well for a guy his size, get him on ball and he could be anything. Horne-Francis showed he's going to be a special talent a few weeks ago but the rest of the group? Put a blanket over it. I do very much want Van Rooyen though. Was sublime in the WAFL final. Just a natural forward though more than enough scope to develop at either end

Yeah those guys in particular are two that have shown they've got genuinely elite traits which makes them stand out for me, I do think if things fall our way we could get a couple really nice players at our picks now but it'd take a bit of luck.

 

[pulpdriver]

Yeah those guys in particular are two that have shown they've got genuinely elite traits which makes them stand out for me, I do think if things fall our way we could get a couple really nice players at our picks now but it'd take a bit of luck.

Who you hoping we get with our first rounders?

 

[mattsmob]

Who you hoping we get with our first rounders?

If they stay where they are and we have a little luck Josh Sinn and Matthew Johnson would be two I'd love to bring in. Doesn't fix a key position depth but if those two were available then I think talent over needs wins out. If both those guys are gone by our second pick I'd be going JVR or Bazzo without a clear preference.

 

[briztoon]

Nah, there's just no significant divide between the first round. There's like 30 players that warrant being taken inside the first round. We would need to be frothing at the mouth for one of our targets to do it.

No, I believe this is incorrect, and I’m not the only person who believes this either.

Many draft watchers have their tiers of talent.

Twomey has a top tier of 4 players, a second tier of 8 players, then a third tier that extends out to around 30.

Twomey even said yesterday, that he can name 15 players as being first round talent, then after that it will very much be influenced on various teams needs and how that shapes a teams rankings.

Almost no draft watchers has Van Rooyen in their top 20. Most have him in their 21 to 25 range. Yet almost to a man (or woman) here on the Brisbane board, posters talk about selecting Van Rooyen, or a KPP (and Van Rooyen is the next best KPP after the 3 commonly mentioned in the top 10) with our second pick.

 

[pulpdriver]

No, I believe this is incorrect, and I’m not the only person who believes this either.

Many draft watchers have their tiers of talent.

Twomey has a top tier of 4 players, a second tier of 8 players, then a third tier that extends out to around 30.

Twomey even said yesterday, that he can name 15 players as being first round talent, then after that it will very much be influenced on various teams needs and how that shapes a teams rankings.

Almost no draft watchers has Van Rooyen in their top 20. Most have him in their 21 to 25 range. Yet almost to a man (or woman) here on the Brisbane board, posters talk about selecting Van Rooyen, or a KPP (and Van Rooyen is the next best KPP after the 3 commonly mentioned in the top 10) with our second pick.

Who gets in to the top 15?

Also I don't really care if draft watchers don't rate Van Rooyen. I do.

 

[briztoon]

Who you hoping we get with our first rounders?

Goater or Sinn at our first pick. I believe neither make it to our first pick though.

If they stay where they are and we have a little luck Josh Sinn and Matthew Johnson would be two I'd love to bring in. Doesn't fix a key position depth but if those two were available then I think talent over needs wins out. If both those guys are gone by our second pick I'd be going JVR or Bazzo without a clear preference.

The only thing with Johnson is that he’s not fast. But he’d combine very well with Robertson and Ashcroft as a future midfield combination. He’s sort of like a slower Bontempeli type of tall mid.