Analysis 2021 draft thread

[BangyBangy]

Bailey was rumoured to us, as a long shot option. Starcevich wasn't rumoured to us.

But there's a Lions fan on twitter who called both selections, but I don't know if he's on here.

I recall in the draft wrap up listening on SEN Terry Wallace was a huge fan of Bailey & said he knew the Lions were thrilled to get him & have big expectations. Don't recall anything said about Starce then.

 

[Dalions]

I recall in the draft wrap up listening on SEN Terry Wallace was a huge fan of Bailey & said he knew the Lions were thrilled to get him & have big expectations. Don't recall anything said about Starce then.

I had barely heard of him before we drafted him but after looking at his highlights reel, I felt we had picked up a beauty.
Hard and tough, seemed to be able to split packs with a bit of pace and with pretty good ball use.

 

[twhowler]

B: Starcevich Adams Gardiner
HB: KColeman Andrews Rich
C: Robinson Rayner McCluggage
HF: McCarthy Daniher Zorko
F: Fort McStay Cameron
Ruck: McInerney Neale Lyons
Bench: Prior JBerry Robertson Bailey
Sub: Ah Chee

B: Uosis Payne Answerth
HB: Michael Lester Madden
C: TBerry CEY Sharp
HF: BColeman Fullarton Cockatoo
F: McFadyen HSmith ???
Ruck: Lane Matho ESmith

Inj: Hipwood

Don't believe I missed a player.

Interesting that both teams have CEY, Matho and Ely as starting mids in the 2s. It points to a surplus of slow inside mids. Not a long term problem because likely 2 will be gone at the end of next year. I thought CEY had some promising signs early but he’s been our biggest bust for a while. And to think it was either him or Greenwood! According to Noble…

 

[Nunez]

Interesting that both teams have CEY, Matho and Ely as starting mids in the 2s. It points to a surplus of slow inside mids. Not a long term problem because likely 2 will be gone at the end of next year. I thought CEY had some promising signs early but he’s been our biggest bust for a while. And to think it was either him or Greenwood! According to Noble…

Ely isn't a slow inside mid.

Worth noting CEY was cheap as chips and Greenwood was very expensive and it purely came down to money. Clearly he doesn't have loyalty either given he left Adelaide for money and now the Suns for money.

 

[twhowler]

Ely isn't a slow inside mid.

Worth noting CEY was cheap as chips and Greenwood was very expensive and it purely came down to money. Clearly he doesn't have loyalty either given he left Adelaide for money and now the Suns for money.

Wasn’t CEY $400k? Perhaps i am misremembering.

Ely Smith was recruited as an inside mid. Would you call him mid-paced? Certainly not fast but maybe slow is unfair.

My point was none of the 3 have any real zip.

 

[BangyBangy]

Ely isn't a slow inside mid.

Worth noting CEY was cheap as chips and Greenwood was very expensive and it purely came down to money. Clearly he doesn't have loyalty either given he left Adelaide for money and now the Suns for money.

Greenwood comes across as very mercenary. Good luck to him though I guess, it's a tough gig in AFL, and you only have a limited amount of time to make as much money as you can lol. Clubs have no problem discarding players and being ruthless, I guess players have the same right.

Edit: If memory serves we were in the game until he put a premium price on his services at which point we publicly announced we were no longer interested. Have zero regret missing out on him.

 

[briztoon]

A recruiter’s notes on the AFL draft crop of 2021

“Not a big head.” “Never seen a player get from contest to contest with such ease.” “Good luck tackling him.” Nick Daicos was one of the under-16s assessed by former Collingwood recruiter Matt Rendell back in 2019. Here’s what he had to say.

www.theage.com.au

 

[dlanod]

Supplementary selection?

That's after the draft though.

 

[Quigley]

Pointed out on the draft board that Hammelmann didn't nominate for the draft, neither did Schlensog. That takes them out of next seasons mid season draft as well, if I understand the rules correctly (which is 50/50 at best).

This is not correct. Both have nominated. Confirmed by a club recruiter.

 

[Quigley]

Greenwood comes across as very mercenary. Good luck to him though I guess, it's a tough gig in AFL, and you only have a limited amount of time to make as much money as you can lol. Clubs have no problem discarding players and being ruthless, I guess players have the same right.

Edit: If memory serves we were in the game until he put a premium price on his services at which point we publicly announced we were no longer interested. Have zero regret missing out on him.

His move from basketball left a lot of people with a bad taste in their mouth. He is not someone who you are going to take at his word.

 

[jackess]

I think best case scenaro one of these slide to our first pick; Jye Amiss, Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera, Josh Gibcus, Josh Goater, Josh Sinn or Johnson

I think Sinn suits our needs the best. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be an opportunity to trade up for him while keeping an early second round pick

Then there seems to be a group of around 8-10 who seem to be pretty decent late first round selections; Chesser, JvR, Wilmott, Sonsie, Owens, etc.

And hopefully there's someone at our third round pick who we rate as a decent prospect who also suits our needs that we couldn't use our first rounders on

 

[scoman]

Greenwood comes across as very mercenary. Good luck to him though I guess, it's a tough gig in AFL, and you only have a limited amount of time to make as much money as you can lol. Clubs have no problem discarding players and being ruthless, I guess players have the same right.

Edit: If memory serves we were in the game until he put a premium price on his services at which point we publicly announced we were no longer interested. Have zero regret missing out on him.

My take on the Greenwood thing is that nobody on either side knew it was going to go down. I think North would obviously be have been having discussions about the types of Players they need and possibly lamenting the fact they didn't have a player of Greenwoods type (tall inside mid, experienced, great tackler) when the news dropped. Plenty of cap space available and it wasn't too hard to offer a very enticing deal for him. From the comments made by Greenwood afterwards it seems he didn't see the Goldy as a long term home for him and his family anyway. I haven't checked but perhaps his partner is a Melbourne girl?

Edit: His partner is an American and most of his family is in Tasmania I think. I'm not sure if there is a massive pull to live in Melbourne specifically, so this may not have been a big factor in the decision.

 

[On the quiet]

I'm not a fan of it but it wouldn't surprise me if the coaches try playing 4 of these guys.

They played Adams, Andrews, Lester and Payne in round 3 against Pies. Apparently that was the game when Payne got injured or some type of stress fracture and then missed the next 12 or so weeks. I believe if Payne not ruled out the above four would have played against the Dogs in round 4.
Perhaps selecting Payne instead of Lester in the semi against the Dogs is an indication for the early part of the season.

 

[POBT]

North already have quite a decent midfield group given their place on the ladder. They've got a reasonable mix in there already and adding Horne-Francis. I recall Noble saying somewhere that he believes in playing young mids early so you'd imagine he'll continue to give game time to the likes of Powell and Phillips, plus he's got that slightly older group in Thomas, LDU and Simpkin who are all coming into their best years and showed a fair bit last year. And they still have a older midfield bull in Cunnington.

But the Greenwood move still makes sense to me. He's a free hit at a mature, best 22 type. No club in the bottom part of the ladder is going to knock back that opportunity.

The weird thing is, the logic that applies to North signing him is the same logic that the Suns should have applied in not delisting him. The Suns also have a promising group of young mids, a quality mid or two in their prime and an older experienced type. If he makes sense to North, he makes sense to the Suns.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

North already have quite a decent midfield group given their place on the ladder. They've got a reasonable mix in there already and adding Horne-Francis. I recall Noble saying somewhere that he believes in playing young mids early so you'd imagine he'll continue to give game time to the likes of Powell and Phillips, plus he's got that slightly older group in Thomas, LDU and Simpkin who are all coming into their best years and showed a fair bit last year. And they still have a older midfield bull in Cunnington.

But the Greenwood move still makes sense to me. He's a free hit at a mature, best 22 type. No club in the bottom part of the ladder is going to knock back that opportunity.

The weird thing is, the logic that applies to North signing him is the same logic that the Suns should have applied in not delisting him. The Suns also have a promising group of young mids, a quality mid or two in their prime and an older experienced type. If he makes sense to North, he makes sense to the Suns.

For all those reasons the Suns would have loved to keep Greenwood, I do view him as an under valued very solid player. The major difference between the two clubs is one appears to have its salary cap in order, the other appear very mismanaged against their list.

Im not surprised at all, the day after we saw Miller signs his contract extension. Either held that news off knowing they’d be losing him, or that money was quickly reshuffled and offered to help offset Touks well earnt contract.

 

[SizeMatters]

Can see us shopping around first rounder next year for another pick this year on draft night. Even a package of our 2022 1st + 14 for something like pick 8 and something coming back our way? Think Fremantle would be interested given they could nab one of the WA KPP's at 14 plus get a first rounder next year. Could open to the likes of Gibcus, Erasmus etc. and Sinn obviously.

 

[M Malice]

Is the club bringing back the draft night function this year?

 

[Tom14]

For all those reasons the Suns would have loved to keep Greenwood, I do view him as an under valued very solid player. The major difference between the two clubs is one appears to have its salary cap in order, the other appear very mismanaged against their list.

Im not surprised at all, the day after we saw Miller signs his contract extension. Either held that news off knowing they’d be losing him, or that money was quickly reshuffled and offered to help offset Touks well earnt contract.

My only partial defence of the Suns is that the AFL granted them a heap of extra list spots as part of the concession package the year before the pandemic hit and there was an immediate requirement to cut down list spots.

Doesn't mean that they have managed any aspect of the cap and list well for quite a while and this could have been avoided had they chosen someone else to delist. They are still 99% to blame for this.

 

[mattsmob]

Can see us shopping around first rounder next year for another pick this year on draft night. Even a package of our 2022 1st + 14 for something like pick 8 and something coming back our way? Think Fremantle would be interested given they could nab one of the WA KPP's at 14 plus get a first rounder next year. Could open to the likes of Gibcus, Erasmus etc. and Sinn obviously.

I like the idea of trying to use our future first to trade up as well, ideally we could get away with using pick 18 and our future first to move up instead though.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

The report this morning about GWS targeting Howes with pick 13 (to pair him with Callaghan due to their close friendship) could be great news for us. It had been starting to feel like there might have been a top 15 that we would miss out on - but if they go Howes at the pick before us, somebody will get through. Of course, that's assuming our recruiters have the same rankings.

 

[mattsmob]

The report this morning about GWS targeting Howes with pick 13 (to pair him with Callaghan due to their close friendship) could be great news for us. It had been starting to feel like there might have been a top 15 that we would miss out on - but if they go Howes at the pick before us, somebody will get through. Of course, that's assuming our recruiters have the same rankings.

They could also be interested in trading that pick as well for a later first which could be an option for us as well.

 

[Section 5]

Hey dlanod
The gift that keeps on giving

JUST weeks after announcing his retirement (for the second time), Greater Western Sydney ruckman Shane Mumford has nominated for next week's NAB AFL Draft.
So is another comeback looming?

Well, not in the short-term but the Giants are covering all bases by having Mumford nominate for the draft so that if they have any injuries to their ruck stocks next year the former Cat and Swan would be eligible to join them at the mid-season rookie draft.

Under AFL rules if a player has not nominated for the previous year's draft, they cannot then be selected by their original club again at the following mid-season intake.

 

[briztoon]

The report this morning about GWS targeting Howes with pick 13 (to pair him with Callaghan due to their close friendship) could be great news for us. It had been starting to feel like there might have been a top 15 that we would miss out on - but if they go Howes at the pick before us, somebody will get through. Of course, that's assuming our recruiters have the same rankings.

I’m fully expecting us to draft JVR with our first pick, then best outside player left on board at our second pick.

 

[Dalions]

The report this morning about GWS targeting Howes with pick 13 (to pair him with Callaghan due to their close friendship) could be great news for us. It had been starting to feel like there might have been a top 15 that we would miss out on - but if they go Howes at the pick before us, somebody will get through. Of course, that's assuming our recruiters have the same rankings.

The closer it is getting the draft I am starting to think that it might be Goater that may slip through, if we want him.

 

[blueiris]

The closer it is getting the draft I am starting to think that it might be Goater that may slip through, if we want him.

Goater can play off half-back so would suit the needs the media keep pushing