Analysis 2021 draft thread

[jackess]

Not to mention what we gave up to get pick 20. You’d think we’d want a fairly safe bet

 

[Nunez]

You don’t think the whole standard of the league was impacted it only impacted Lohmann?

Only Lohmann obviously.

 

[jackess]

Here’s a tip guy’s.

Don’t engage jackess in conversation.

Just setting up an I told you so for when he’s delisted in a few years

 

[mattsmob]

Here’s a tip guy’s.

Don’t engage jackess in conversation.

Do you have any thoughts on whether Lohmann could transition into the midfield at all? Also did you have a player available at 20 that you feel we should've taken?

 

[Nunez]

Not to mention what we gave up to get pick 20. You’d think we’d want a fairly safe bet

You mean safe like Johnson with issues causing him to drop or Goater who may well be SPP 2.0. sonsie with his injuries or Bazzo with his serious question marks?

 

[jackess]

You mean safe like Johnson with issues causing him to drop or Goater who may well be SPP 2.0. sonsie with his injuries or Bazzo with his serious question marks?

I mean safe like Dev Robertson not risky like ESmith (or Starcevich)

 

[Nuggo]

I'll captain the Kai wagon. Plenty of seats for everybody!

 

[Elixuh]

Should we not have a more obvious form line for a first round pick in what I believe was a very crucial draft

It seems most on here are happy for us to have taken a decent sized risk at this pick. I’m not. I think there’s a real risk the last 4 years echo what happened around 10 years ago where we haven’t been able to add enough talent through the draft.

But your definition and understanding of risk is ill-informed and largely uneducated, unless you are of the view that you know more than our recruiters and the recruiters of several clubs that would have taken him very soon after pick 20 - which would be odd.

Hitching your wagon to 'form lines' in a year where some of the guys that were picked sub-20 played ~5-10 games is also hilarious.

 

[Nunez]

I mean safe like Dev Robertson not risky like ESmith (or Starcevich)

So another inside mid who can't get a game over a talent we've identified as a high potential talent who could play wing, half forward or even on the ball?

 

[scoman]

In his phantom draft, which turned out to be incredibly accurate, he mentioned Lohmann as an option for North at pick 22.

Yeah my point was, as I clarified in later exchanges, he didn't feel the mail was strong enough to select Lohman in his Phantoms though.

Anyway I'm all out of puff on this issue. I just wish we had managed to be more agile these last couple of draft/ trade periods. A couple of more astute trades could have seen us 'have our cake and eat it' as another poster put it.

 

[bato]

I'll captain the Kai wagon. Plenty of seats for everybody!

I tried making Cobra Kai a thing but didnt get much love.

 

[Nunez]

I tried making Cobra Kai a thing but didnt get much love.

I enjoyed it!

 

[davemc_lions]

love the melts

I thought we might go for Goater as he still was there. Although I do not work in footy so no expert

There will always be a great player in the 30's that all teams missed and a few picks under 20's be duds.

Why not just get behind the boys picked and wish them all the best.

 

[jackess]

But your definition and understanding of risk is ill-informed and largely uneducated, unless you are of the view that you know more than our recruiters and the recruiters of several clubs that would have taken him very soon after pick 20 - which would be odd.

Hitching your wagon to 'form lines' in a year where some of the guys that were picked sub-20 played ~5-10 games is also hilarious.

The defence seems to be that he can offer more in a different position to what we’ve seen him play. That isn’t offering a lot of guidance on where he’ll end up and has backfired before compared to someone who has at least performed well in their position even if they have a lower ceiling

I don’t care if he suited other clubs needs around those picks (Hawthorn had already drafted a gun mid and need small forwards) I don’t think he suited our draft strategy

So another inside mid who can't get a game over a talent we've identified as a high potential talent who could play wing, half forward or even on the ball?

Not the same type of player but it’s someone who has at least shown they can perform the role we want them to at underage level rather than hoping to tap into their potential.

I’d rather we have gone for a safer bet

 

[scoman]

Anyone catch poor young Johnson and crew in the background on Fox at the end of the draft? They did a cross to a reporter in WA (I think) and Johnson and crew were fully visible for about a minute. Poor kid looked terrible. Even think I noticed him mouthing WTF a couple of times. Shades of Robertson from a couple years ago for sure.

 

[mattsmob]

You mean safe like Johnson with issues causing him to drop or Goater who may well be SPP 2.0. sonsie with his injuries or Bazzo with his serious question marks?

I certainly don't feel as strongly as jackess however I see the guys you've named as having higher upsides while having similar or less risk than Lohmann. I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the recruiters but there is some good talent they've passed on. Not saying I know more than the club but this will be an interesting draft to look back on for us.

 

[mattsmob]

Anyone catch poor young Johnson and crew in the background on Fox at the end of the draft? They did a cross to a reporter in WA (I think) and Johnson and crew were fully visible for about a minute. Poor kid looked terrible. Even think I noticed him mouthing WTF a couple of times. Shades of Robertson from a couple years ago for sure.

Yeah I highly doubt he's told clubs he's not moving interstate based on that reaction.

 

[scoman]

I tried making Cobra Kai a thing but didnt get much love.

I can get behind that.

 

[Nunez]

The defence seems to be that he can offer more in a different position to what we’ve seen him play. That isn’t offering a lot of guidance on where he’ll end up and has backfired before compared to someone who has at least performed well in their position even if they have a lower ceiling

I don’t care if he suited other clubs needs around those picks (Hawthorn had already drafted a gun mid and need small forwards) I don’t think he suited our draft strategy



Not the same type of player but it’s someone who has at least shown they can perform the role we want them to at underage level rather than hoping to tap into their potential.

I’d rather we have gone for a safer bet

Who?

 

[Hollow Knight]

Whoever fights Dylan12 should see to it that in the process he does not become a Dylan12. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.

- Nietzsche

 

[Nunez]

I certainly don't feel as strongly as jackess however I see the guys you've named as having higher upsides while having similar or less risk than Lohmann. I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the recruiters but there is some good talent they've passed on. Not saying I know more than the club but this will be an interesting draft to look back on for us.

A perfectly reasonable stance to have. In the end we're all fans, not experts. If I were the recruiter I'd have taken Goater. If Goater ends up the better player, do I know better than the recruiters? Absolutely not.

Maybe I'd have picked Lohmann if there was a highlight reel

 

[ULittleBeauty]

And ESmith might be good if he turns out like Dangerfield

You asked why take a small forward at pick 20. I’d take a Heeney or Bailey Smith at that pick.

Building a premiership team means taking some risk on occasion for higher reward. Wilmot looks a pretty safe bet so happy to take a bit more risk with the second pick.




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[Johnny Bananas]

Yeah my point was, as I clarified in later exchanges, he didn't feel the mail was strong enough to select Lohman in his Phantoms though.

Twomey isn't 100% accurate, he didn't have Alleer going to GWS for example. But since he brought up Lohmann in relation to early 20s picks, it's very possible teams were considering him there.

 

[mattsmob]

A perfectly reasonable stance to have. In the end we're all fans, not experts. If I were the recruiter I'd have taken Goater. If Goater ends up the better player, do I know better than the recruiters? Absolutely not.

Maybe I'd have picked Lohmann if there was a highlight reel

By the sounds of it if there was a highlights package it would've been a bloody good one.

 

[jackess]

Who?

There are several around the mark who had far more consistent season even at stage league and state representative games who I would’ve been happy with