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Analysis 2021 draft thread
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A bit of a victim of circumstance here at the Lions.
So I think I speak for everyone here by saying I wish him all the best.
WC have just the one rookie spot at this stage. They are also looking at Dittmar and Josh Browne. Jack Redden just had shoulder surgery and could be out for 3 months. Sheppard has reportedly battled ongoing concussion symptoms and could retire. A few spots might open up there to give him a better chance.
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I believe Joyce offers more than Browne. Dittmar is much more an in vogue style of player, and I was a little surprised he wasn’t drafted.
The Tigers/Kangaroos were keen on Kai Lohmann as well >
https://www.afl.com.au/news/689980/...nsion-tactics-and-trades-that-didn-t-come-off
Brisbane jumped on Wilmot once its turn came, targeting and finding an attacking half-back with pace and competitiveness, before the Tigers chose Brown to add to their talented defensive group and as a partner to Gibcus in an exciting young backline. Eye-catching forward Kai Lohmann was also in the Tigers' mix.
The Tigers remained active, seeing if they could package picks in the 20s to nab Brisbane's final pick of the first round, but the Lions stuck with it and drafted Lohmann, who had also been a chance for North Melbourne's early second-round choice.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/689980/...nsion-tactics-and-trades-that-didn-t-come-off
Brisbane jumped on Wilmot once its turn came, targeting and finding an attacking half-back with pace and competitiveness, before the Tigers chose Brown to add to their talented defensive group and as a partner to Gibcus in an exciting young backline. Eye-catching forward Kai Lohmann was also in the Tigers' mix.
The Tigers remained active, seeing if they could package picks in the 20s to nab Brisbane's final pick of the first round, but the Lions stuck with it and drafted Lohmann, who had also been a chance for North Melbourne's early second-round choice.
Just makes a few posters comments on draft night laughable. Zero chance we were picking Lohmann with pick 41. Seems our draft intel is top notch.
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Sydney too it seems, even if they went for Sheldrick in the end.
Interesting also that Sydney and Melbourne were both trying to get Wilmot. I'm not surprised the Giants turned down Melbourne's offer if Twomey has reported it accurately, since pick 39 was a chance of being eaten up by a bid on Fahey. He got bid on later than that, but the Giants weren't to know at the time.
I haven't seen jack around since the draft, he may have been a bit embarrassed by his over the top vitriol..... come back jack we still love you.
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scoman is still kicking about, although if I remember correctly, they admitted they could have been wrong and didn't continue to sulk.
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Still kicking around. Hope that's ok with you.
I maintain my major gripe was with the 2-3 years of poor (putting it nicely) pick trading that culminated in the pick we used on Lohmann. To then use it on a player not expected to go at that point in the draft was a pretty tough pill to swallow.
Hopefully it works out and he becomes a best 22 player in time. I will certainly be supporting him as I have with every player in Lions colours.
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No. You must pay for your crimes by being exiled to the Carlton board!
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Great article. A few observations:
1. Let's not assume in the future that a lack of draft night moves is due to want of trying. We were clearly playing the game - even if our execution was ultimately unsuccessful (although trading up to get Wilmot would have been a mistake, in hindsight, given we got him anyway).
2. As good as the draft watchers can be, there is always divergence between what they think and what the clubs think. Lohmann now looks like he was picked at exactly the right part of the draft, with our assessment franked by several clubs in the same area of the draft.
3. Our decision to knock back a couple of picks in the 20s to keep pick 20 and 41 says to me that we were high on Lohmann and maybe Tunstill. On the face of it, I would normally do a trade like 28+29 for 20+41, unless we really liked a player at #20. I think the info that we knocked back the Tigers offer for #20 reinforces the intel coming out of the club draft night events about our keenness for Lohmann.
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Yeah i'm not sure why others on here feel the need to single out reactions of individual posters. It's a forum about football that should encourage difference of opinion. People are allowed to be critical of the club, whether you agree with it or not.
No need to keep bringing it up and harping on it and playing a game of I told you so, or my opinion has more merit than yours. I get that there's not much going on in the offseason, but surely there is more interesting things to post about.
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The point was to show someone who had that reaction initially, but was humble enough to not be stubborn about it. But if you'd like to get offended on behalf of others, I guess that's your choice.
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I think if you are going to criticise the club we all love, on a board which is for Lions supporters, you'd want to do so in a rational and informed way. If you don't, then I think the same freedom of opinion applies to those who wish to defend the club. Further, if in hindsight a strident criticism doesn't hold weight, then I think it's fair for that to be pointed out.
I do object to people who expressed quite nuanced criticisms being lumped in together with those who were, to be frank, quite hysterical at the time and assumed the worst. Considered criticism shouldn't be equated with hysterical venting.
People might say that footy is emotional and people should be entitled to vent. I agree with that - but it also means others are entitled to be just as passionate in defending the club. If you say something that I think is unfair about my club, I'm probably going to point that out.
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Draft was a week ago? Not sure why people are still bringing it up? It's a one-way road at the moment. None of the posters who were critical at the time are still here being critical, yet others keep bringing up their names trying to shame them.
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Not offended in the slightest, just making an observation. I've got no attachment to the topic at all, apart from observing the conduct of people around the topic. Which has been a little tiresome, as the draft was over a week ago and people are still talking about individual poster reactions. Move on with life already and bring some positivity.
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I think the emergence of new info which reinforces that the original hysteria was largely unwarranted is a decent reason to bring it back up. Maybe it will give people pause for thought before they lay the boot in next time?
As a general comment though, I concede that there are better ways to discuss without bringing individuals into it. S
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Jury is still out on whether both he and Tunstill were worth their positions selected but I will back the club and their long term development of the players, especially if the VFL can get a couple of decent length seasons in.
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That is so much the key. I do feel really sorry for those who havent been able to get much game time the last few years
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Wilmot too. That's the case with every draft selection every year.
Some people who watch a lot of the kids have strong opinions on them and often are very disappointed in the club for making what they consider a dumb decision. Sometimes they are right and sometimes they are wrong. I have been one who has expressed a lot of strong opinions on our drafting over the years. I have been absolutely livid with the club at times for reaching and not taking, what I thought were the obviously superior guys and sometimes I have been right and at other times wrong.
2008 was an interesting case study in this. That year Rich was taken first and had fallen after lighting it up the year before and coasting his draft year. He fell to 6 and I was exceptionally happy we just did the smart thing and took the most talented kid. At 25 we then reached for a relatively unknown in Jack Redden and I was livid (after being initially okay with the pick when I thought it was Jarrad Redden, a promising ruck) given Mitch Robinson, a big favourite of mine, was still there as an obvious pick as well as Dayne Beams who was a promising Qld talent. Mitch ended up lasting to 40 with us picking at 41 so I was a bit crushed but more than happy that Michael Walters who was a supremely talented player who had fallen to us. When the club took Todd Banfield I was incandescent at the stupidity of the club and the recruitment staff. Next up at 57 we finally went back to my playbook and took another favourite of mine in Aaron Cornlius which somewhat redeemed them. Lastly there were a couple of high upside types in McCullough and King who I didn't have a strong opinion on.
I was so sure I was right that I offered on here to sponsor a player if Redden or Banfield ended up being better than Robinson or Walters. The Redden pick ended up a wash relative to Robinson and Beams but I have to concede it was not the bad pick I thought it was. The Walters pick though was a massive win for me. With the two picks I was very happy about Rich ended up being a great pick whilst Cornelius who after Walters I considered the steal of the draft, ended up amounting to nothing (although I still blame the coaches a bit for that before injury cut short his career).
So for me I have no problem calling out if I think the club is wrong in a selection they have made. In doing that though I accept that sometimes I will end up with egg on my face and will have to eat humble pie. With that said for a very amateur draft watcher I am right enough that it should be embarrassing for a professional team.
So this year picking at 16 and 20 I will go on record and say that I would have picked Johnson and Sonsie and I think they will end up better players. I do like Wilmot and think he should develop into a nice AFL player I am just not sold that he has the ceiling that Johnson has. Lohman is a big high risk high reward pick who if he comes good he could be very good. The odds for me are though that won't get there. Sonsie I think has the same kind of ceiling with a much high floor and I feel he will be a solid best 22 player at worst.
Anyway wait and see. Happy for this to be thrown in my face in 5 years time if I am wrong (at which time I will be very happy that I was wrong).
2008 was an interesting case study in this. That year Rich was taken first and had fallen after lighting it up the year before and coasting his draft year. He fell to 6 and I was exceptionally happy we just did the smart thing and took the most talented kid. At 25 we then reached for a relatively unknown in Jack Redden and I was livid (after being initially okay with the pick when I thought it was Jarrad Redden, a promising ruck) given Mitch Robinson, a big favourite of mine, was still there as an obvious pick as well as Dayne Beams who was a promising Qld talent. Mitch ended up lasting to 40 with us picking at 41 so I was a bit crushed but more than happy that Michael Walters who was a supremely talented player who had fallen to us. When the club took Todd Banfield I was incandescent at the stupidity of the club and the recruitment staff. Next up at 57 we finally went back to my playbook and took another favourite of mine in Aaron Cornlius which somewhat redeemed them. Lastly there were a couple of high upside types in McCullough and King who I didn't have a strong opinion on.
I was so sure I was right that I offered on here to sponsor a player if Redden or Banfield ended up being better than Robinson or Walters. The Redden pick ended up a wash relative to Robinson and Beams but I have to concede it was not the bad pick I thought it was. The Walters pick though was a massive win for me. With the two picks I was very happy about Rich ended up being a great pick whilst Cornelius who after Walters I considered the steal of the draft, ended up amounting to nothing (although I still blame the coaches a bit for that before injury cut short his career).
So for me I have no problem calling out if I think the club is wrong in a selection they have made. In doing that though I accept that sometimes I will end up with egg on my face and will have to eat humble pie. With that said for a very amateur draft watcher I am right enough that it should be embarrassing for a professional team.
So this year picking at 16 and 20 I will go on record and say that I would have picked Johnson and Sonsie and I think they will end up better players. I do like Wilmot and think he should develop into a nice AFL player I am just not sold that he has the ceiling that Johnson has. Lohman is a big high risk high reward pick who if he comes good he could be very good. The odds for me are though that won't get there. Sonsie I think has the same kind of ceiling with a much high floor and I feel he will be a solid best 22 player at worst.
Anyway wait and see. Happy for this to be thrown in my face in 5 years time if I am wrong (at which time I will be very happy that I was wrong).
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All three speak really well...
