Mega Thread 2021 Draft

[Lore]

Hey guys, scuse the intrusion. Thought you might like to have this resource on your board (mods might like to sticky):

 

[Enviable Tradition]

G'day guys, I'm not 100% across Port's draft ambitions in November, but curious to gauge where Power fans sit with regards to a potential live trade with Richmond?

If the Tigers were to fill our boots with picks #7, #15, #26 and #27, could Port be open to our #28 for a look at your 2022 picks? Just your 2022 second rounder probably wouldn't get it done, given I can't see you finishing outside the top 4 next year (hence 2nd rounder most likely won't be under #35).

Is there someone Port might have their eye on who you think could slide to #28 to get some trade action going? So what would you seriously be prepared to part with to make something happen that wouldn't just see the Tigers walk away from the table?

So basically what you are saying is you want a first rounder next year for a 2nd this year.

Lol. Dream on.

With next year being a strong draft a F2 would be the best you would get from us and only if there was a slider this year that we wanted.

 

[Long live PAFC]

Yeah fair enough, I was only putting it out there as I saw that you guys had a big gap between your first and second picks, with the intention of possibly instigating a mutually beneficial trade. Richmond have made it clear they’re keen to trade into 2022 draft with a number of key retirements imminent next year, and we’ve always seemed to have had a pretty good working relationship with Port insofar as trades go.

I think if a major slider was there, port may go for it. The board like Milera-Wangeen, Sinn, Goater and Draper in particular. If they or say Williams, Amiss, JVR, were available at 28, port might come to the party for a second and third rounder in 2022 for Richmond’s second rounder this year and fourth rounder next year.

But I can’t see any of those players making it past 25 and, even if they did, I’m not sure port pull the trigger.

You might see Port trade out later picks into next year as Burgoyne slides and other teams need picks to match mid to late bids (Saints being an example).

Port’s hand is fairly stretched so it would have to be a good deal to get us trade picks from next year (thought to be a stronger year) and we probably needed to shake loose more with the Ladhams trade.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

So basically what you are saying is you want a first rounder next year for a 2nd this year.

Lol. Dream on.

With next year being a string draft a F2 would be the best you would get from us and only if there was a slider this year that we wanted.

No, absolutely not - said nothing of the sort. Future first rounders are untouchable in such circumstances. And even if in my wildest dreams I thought it, I've been around these boards long enough not to go into another team's forum and post it - this is not my first rodeo. I would deserve whatever pummelling came my way.

More along the lines of a 2022 2nd + 4th (~#35 & #53 ish) with our 2021 2nd (#28) + 2022 4th (probs #60-something) going back your way, or something to that effect. But even then it would've had to be for a major slider that Port were super keen on.

I think if a major slider was there, port may go for it. The board like Milera-Wangeen, Sinn, Goater and Draper in particular. If they or say Williams, Amiss, JVR, were available at 28, port might come to the party for a second and third rounder in 2022 for Richmond’s second rounder this year and fourth rounder next year.

But I can’t see any of those players making it past 25 and, even if they did, I’m not sure port pull the trigger.

You might see Port trade out later picks into next year as Burgoyne slides and other teams need picks to match mid to late bids (Saints being an example).

Port’s hand is fairly stretched so it would have to be a good deal to get us trade picks from next year (thought to be a stronger year) and we probably needed to shake loose more with the Ladhams trade.

Yeah, that's the type who I had in mind. That said, if those blokes were still around, the Tigers would be mad not to use #28 themselves.

Cheers for the well considered response. Hopefully you manage to grab young Burgoyne for a bargain and he's everything you want him to be.

 

[Revan11]

G'day guys, I'm not 100% across Port's draft ambitions in November, but curious to gauge where Power fans sit with regards to a potential live trade with Richmond?

If the Tigers were to fill our boots with picks #7, #15, #26 and #27, could Port be open to our #28 for a look at your 2022 picks? Just your 2022 second rounder probably wouldn't get it done, given I can't see you finishing outside the top 4 next year (hence 2nd rounder most likely won't be under #35).

Is there someone Port might have their eye on who you think could slide to #28 to get some trade action going? So what would you seriously be prepared to part with to make something happen that wouldn't just see the Tigers walk away from the table?

I would think the Tigers would use all those picks this year and control the draft board in the second round.

 

[x_les_x]

I reckon I've seen Lukosius's name spelt incorrectly on these boards almost as much, or maybe more than Rozee's.

Welcome to Ports in 2023, Jock Lukosius!

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[zadav29]

Sonsie is exactly what we need, goal kicking mid who can play forward. Not sure why he isn’t a Top 10 lock, has all the talent and when he has played has been one of the best in the country.

 

[charcolechaddy]

No, absolutely not - said nothing of the sort. Future first rounders are untouchable in such circumstances. And even if in my wildest dreams I thought it, I've been around these boards long enough not to go into another team's forum and post it - this is not my first rodeo. I would deserve whatever pummelling came my way.

More along the lines of a 2022 2nd + 4th (~#35 & #53 ish) with our 2021 2nd (#28) + 2022 4th (probs #60-something) going back your way, or something to that effect. But even then it would've had to be for a major slider that Port were super keen on.


Yeah, that's the type who I had in mind. That said, if those blokes were still around, the Tigers would be mad not to use #28 themselves.

Cheers for the well considered response. Hopefully you manage to grab young Burgoyne for a bargain and he's everything you want him to be.

If one of the SA boys are left I’d do it in a heartbeat, don’t think they will though.

 

[all seeing eye]

Sonsie is exactly what we need, goal kicking mid who can play forward. Not sure why he isn’t a Top 10 lock, has all the talent and when he has played has been one of the best in the country.

Main knock on Sonsie seems to be the idea that he is very much a one way runner, with no defensive accountability. Therefore described by some as a front runner. Hopefully that defensvie element will developed if he enters a AFL system , as your cant get away with that at the highest level. Just means he hasn't got an all round game at this stage so has slid a bit in the eyes of some.

 

[Stevros]

If Richmond weren’t really that interested in using 28 but wanted to get higher picks and there were still enough decent players in that teens area
I’d like to look at a pick swap of 12 and 63 or future 4th for 15 and 28
Tigers jump up some picks to get a better player. We could still get a player like knevitt that we’ve been linked to but also pick up a decent player with 28

it’d also mean that the ladhams deal would have really got us up 1 spot in 1st round plus a 2nd rounder and future 3rd which would be much closer to his worth

 

[shewho]

If Richmond weren’t really that interested in using 28 but wanted to get higher picks and there were still enough decent players in that teens area
I’d like to look at a pick swap of 12 and 63 or future 4th for 15 and 28
Tigers jump up some picks to get a better player. We could still get a player like knevitt that we’ve been linked to but also pick up a decent player with 28

it’d also mean that the ladhams deal would have really got us up 1 spot in 1st round plus a 2nd rounder and future 3rd which would be much closer to his worth

We were obviously desperate to improve our first pick. So much so, we sacrificed a first 22 player (Ladhams).We won’t now trade our first down.

We traded into the second tier of draft picks. #15 (#17 in reality) is in the third tier. It doesn’t sound like a big drop from 12 to 15, but obviously Cripps thought it was, and I can see that.

First Tier
————-
Horne-Francis
Daicos
Darcy
Callaghan

Second Tier
——————
Hobbs
Erasmus
Sinn
Goater
Rachele
Sonsie
Wanganeen-Milera
Gibcus
Andrew
Ward

We are guaranteed to get one of these. Drop 3 places and we risk losing a potential A-Grader for two far more risky prospects. It’s a “no” from me.

 

[Stevros]

We were obviously desperate to improve our first pick. So much so, we sacrificed a first 22 player (Ladhams).We won’t now trade our first down.

We traded into the second tier of draft picks. #15 (#17 in reality) is in the third tier. It doesn’t sound like a big drop from 12 to 15, but obviously Cripps thought it was, and I can see that.

First Tier
————-
Horne-Francis
Daicos
Darcy
Callaghan

Second Tier
——————
Hobbs
Erasmus
Sinn
Goater
Rachele
Sonsie
Wanganeen-Milera
Gibcus
Andrew
Ward

We are guaranteed to get one of these. Drop 3 places and we risk losing a potential A-Grader for two far more risky prospects. It’s a “no” from me.

yeah like I said obviously depends who’s left at 12 if there’s 3 or 4 we like and we know 1 will get to 15 it could be worth swapping and getting a 2 nd rounder as well

We were obviously desperate to improve our first pick. So much so, we sacrificed a first 22 player (Ladhams).We won’t now trade our first down.

We traded into the second tier of draft picks. #15 (#17 in reality) is in the third tier. It doesn’t sound like a big drop from 12 to 15, but obviously Cripps thought it was, and I can see that.

First Tier
————-
Horne-Francis
Daicos
Darcy
Callaghan

Second Tier
——————
Hobbs
Erasmus
Sinn
Goater
Rachele
Sonsie
Wanganeen-Milera
Gibcus
Andrew
Ward

We are guaranteed to get one of these. Drop 3 places and we risk losing a potential A-Grader for two far more risky prospects. It’s a “no” from me.

yeah like I said obviously depends who’s left at 12 if there’s 3 or 4 we like and we know 1 will get to 15 it could be worth swapping and getting a 2 nd rounder as well
They think freo will go amiss and another WA if we can get sonsie, knevitt or Johnson at 15 then a leek aliir or bazzo at 28 would be a good draft hand
We only really went up in the draft with Sydney because that is all they would offer

 

[Doctor Feel]

I'm just getting blueballs waiting to post:

- Ya joking, can't believe he didn't go earlier
- He reminds me of Cam O'Shea
- I think we should call him Roller
- Another flanker, what the ****

 

[shewho]

yeah like I said obviously depends who’s left at 12 if there’s 3 or 4 we like and we know 1 will get to 15 it could be worth swapping and getting a 2 nd rounder as well

yeah like I said obviously depends who’s left at 12 if there’s 3 or 4 we like and we know 1 will get to 15 it could be worth swapping and getting a 2 nd rounder as well
They think freo will go amiss and another WA if we can get sonsie, knevitt or Johnson at 15 then a leek aliir or bazzo at 28 would be a good draft hand
We only really went up in the draft with Sydney because that is all they would offer

Still don’t like the idea of trading down. A team could bid on Burgoyne at 27, rendering 28 useless or meaning we miss out on Jase. We would only buy into the second round either after Burgoyne or on the night at the time of the pick- by that time our first rounder has already been used and we’d have to pay with our second rounder from 2022- I don’t think we will do that.

 

[240volt]

Sonsie is exactly what we need, goal kicking mid who can play forward. Not sure why he isn’t a Top 10 lock, has all the talent and when he has played has been one of the best in the country.

I like him better than Goater.

 

[shewho]

Just done my calculations on the true value of our late picks, for the Burgoyne bid.

In all likelihood Collingwood will have to match a bid at #2 on Daicos. They’ll need 2014 points

#36 + #38 + #40 + #46 + #48 = 2029 leaving 15 points

Our pick 62 becomes 57, 73 becomes 69, 74 becomes 70 and 92 becomes 88.

Assuming WB have to match a bid at #4 (conservative) for Darcy- they need 1627 points

# 23 now #24= 785 + #43 now #41 412 + 44 now 42 395 = 1592 Their next pick will slide back a bit

So by the time we face a bid on Burgoyne we will have picks

#54 #70 #71 and #85 = 288 points.

That means we have the points to match a bid around #44.

There will be other movements and our hand will be stronger if Darcy goes at 3.

However, we face the possibility of needing more points. They can only be got by trading out one of our future picks. Either that or we have to take a deficit into 2022 meaning our pick in that round will slide back a bit.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Still don’t like the idea of trading down. A team could bid on Burgoyne at 27, rendering 28 useless or meaning we miss out on Jase. We would only buy into the second round either after Burgoyne or on the night at the time of the pick- by that time our first rounder has already been used and we’d have to pay with our second rounder from 2022- I don’t think we will do that.

Yeah, it would have to be a live trade of #28 after we've already used #27. That said, I don't think my idea would get too much traction of the Tiges board, just quietly.

 

[robbo1981]

Sonsie has a little bit of early days Trav Boak his my want at 12.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

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Just done my calculations on the true value of our late picks, for the Burgoyne bid.

In all likelihood Collingwood will have to match a bid at #2 on Daicos. They’ll need 2014 points

#36 + #38 + #40 + #46 + #48 = 2029 leaving 15 points

Our pick 62 becomes 57, 73 becomes 69, 74 becomes 70 and 92 becomes 88.

Wrong, pick 2 gets added/ inserted first, so pick 62 becomes 63 and then 5 are eliminated to become 58.

You have to re do your sums.

Pick 35 becomes pick 36, pick 36 gets eliminated and pick 37 first becomes pick 38 and then because 36 is eliminated, stays at 37. Pick 39 becomes pick 40 and then 2 picks - 36 and 38 are eliminated, and becomes pick 38 and so on.

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

also need to factor in that clubs will start passing by the late 50's..so impossible to to calcs really

 

[shewho]

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Wrong, pick 2 gets added/ inserted first, so pick 62 becomes 63 and then 5 are eliminated to become 58.

You have to re do your sums.

Pick 35 becomes pick 36, pick 36 gets eliminated and pick 37 first becomes pick 38 and then because 36 is eliminated, stays at 37. Pick 39 becomes pick 40 and then 2 picks - 36 and 38 are eliminated, and becomes pick 38 and so on.

Ok . Do you know if multiple picks for points are applied one by one or at the same time?

 

[Grave Danger]

At least there wasn't too much damage from free agency compo picks this year - there were only three F/A moves that attracted compo: end of second rounders for Chol and Hewitt and a third rounder for Kelly. Dunstan and O'Brien didn't gain compo. Last year there was double that, with two first rounders and three in the second round.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Ok . Do you know if multiple picks for points are applied one by one or at the same time?

What do you mean? ie an example if its different to your Daicos one.

 

[Stevros]

Plus there are other academy and father sons that could chew up points
St kilda have a couple that they wreckon could be in the 30’s and gws have a high 1 to do could chew up another 3 or picks before ours

 

[P4Life]

Just realized there is another month before the Draft actually takes place.
With the AFL's edict of being the number 1 sport media presence in the southern states, what absolute drivel are they going to release to their media partners to keep the Draft front and centre?
I must admit I enjoy the expectation of the Draft but another 4+ weeks of it is going to do my head in.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Just realized there is another month before the Draft actually takes place.
With the AFL's edict of being the number 1 sport media presence in the southern states, what absolute drivel are they going to release to their media partners to keep the Draft front and centre?
I must admit I enjoy the expectation of the Draft but another 4+ weeks of it is going to do my head in.

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