Mega Thread 2021 Draft

[Lore]

Hey guys, scuse the intrusion. Thought you might like to have this resource on your board (mods might like to sticky):

 

[RossFC]

If there is an early bid on burgoyne we are stuffed.

I'm not sure what the discounts are for father-sons, but the remaining picks we have is worth pick 45.

 

[Addy23]

That's like going to buy a car you decide you really want, you can get for $10k, but you throw $20k at the deal just to make sure you get it.

The car might be amazing, it might be what you wanted, but you still spent $10k extra, which could well have been invested into another little gem.

There's really no way around this. Sinn is a nice pick, looks like a solid player and I love his speed. However the trading that got us to the outcome of Sinn is incredibly poor on many levels.

In terms of draft points, to jump up 100 points tonight, we gave up about 500 draft points. We didn't just overpay a little, we paid a sh*t tonne. All of this on the back of the fact that we got a terrible deal for Ladhams in trade period.

To be sitting here knowing we secured Sinn with pick 12, but paid the equivalent value of about pick 3-5 is a really, really, really, poor trading effort.

If you believe there's only one of that car in the world then why not pay $20k to secure it if you really want it that bad?

The draft points comparison makes no sense in this case. The points are for a bidding system, there are other intangible aspects associated to a pick. Yes we may have overpaid and I don't disagree but we'd be talking different if the kid becomes a gun and clearly the club believes so and has had recent success with drafting so trust

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

Think the issue for me personally as well was the rumours prior to the draft, implying that we could be trading next years first to get into the back end of the 1st round this year. The expectation was there was potential we could end up with two quality kids, instead we get the kid we were predicted to get and we are now down a second rounder.

 

[Janus]

I'm not sure what the discounts are for father-sons, but the remaining picks we have is worth pick 45.

The discount is locked at 197 points from here on out.

 

[Revan11]

Players still available: * = SA

Matthew Johnson 193cm, 82kg

Josh Goater 190cm, 80kg

Corey Warner 182cm, 73kg

Tyler Sonsie 181cm, 77kg

Mitch Knevitt 194cm, 83kg

Sam Butler 184cm, 76kg

*Arlo Draper 186cm, 76kg

Alastair Lord 181cm, 76kg

Jack Williams 195cm, 95kg

*Cooper Murley 180cm, 71kg

*Matthew Roberts 184cm, 84kg

*Jase Burgoyne (Port Adelaide Father-Son) 186cm, 70kg

*Oscar Adams 198cm 85k

Would love to get back into the second round.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

Would love to get back into the second round.

Won’t happen unfortunately, we literally have nothing to trade for anymore. Only have a 1st next year but not worth it.

 

[Revan11]

The justification from the Hinkley Stan’s/pro anything port do group for the Ladhams trade was that we did this shocking trade to upgrade the pick to allow us to get the player we wanted. Which turns out was completely untrue. I would say west coast probably would had traded pick 12 for our original pick 18 and next years 2nd rounder meaning the whole Ladhams trade was meaningless. In the end this looks really bad because the Ladhams trade was a balls up.

You are talking in hypotheticals.

 

[PrisonBars4life]

I don’t see any pittard in sinn.


The player I think of (tho it’s been a while since I watched him cause I didn’t pay attention to him late in his career) is Brett delidio.

He looks alot like Pittard. Pittard could have genuinely been a gun. Unfortunately he was as dumb as a sack of shit. Sinn looks a heck of alot smarter.

 

[melanChronic]

I always thought the talk of trading a future first to get into the first round were fanciful. The nature of live pick trading is that the more certainty around a pick (i.e. who is still available vs the picks left before it) the more value it has. That is why you see these deals that seem crazy on face value (like a F2 for a 2 pick upgrade) that would never fly predraft. You are paying a premium for the increased information that comes with the selection.

 

[charcolechaddy]

Blah.. farm is sold this was a draft to get in on in the second,, ... what ever.

 

[Addy23]

Won’t happen unfortunately, we literally have nothing to trade for anymore. Only have a 1st next year but not worth it.

Wonder if any club would be open to taking our future first for a second round this year and a second year next year

 

[Stevros]

If there’s a player we thought was a 1st rounder still left we could potentially trade our future 1st for a 2nd rounder and a next years 2nd rounder which would mean really we traded our 1st for a player like sonsie knevitt or Johnson which would then make things a lot more bearable

 

[JimmyBC]

I don't have a problem with making a move like that for a player you really want hopefully it works out, I'm not gonna cry over a 2022 second round pick that's far more likely to be a dud than a 1st round kid you want right now.

 

[Revan11]

Blah.. farm is sold this was a draft to get in on in the second,, ... what ever.

There was a clear top 14.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

If there’s a player we thought was a 1st rounder still left we could potentially trade our future 1st for a 2nd rounder and a next years 2nd rounder which would mean really we traded our 1st for a player like sonsie knevitt or Johnson which would then make things a lot more bearable

assuming we are good next year, if the prelim this year caused issues and we finish bottom 6, giving up pick 6 for two picks in the mid 20s would look bad. IMO keep next years first, just invest in the back end of the draft and hope Jase gets bidded on well later on in the draft

 

[Revan11]

I don't have a problem with making a move like that for a player you really want hopefully it works out, I'm not gonna cry over a 2022 second round pick that's far more likely to be a dud than a 1st round kid you want right now.

Yes especially if Port rate Sinn top a top 5 talent. Second round picks bust all the time.

 

[Stevros]

If 1 of them drops to 28 I’d swap next years 1st to tigers for 28 and next years 2nd round pick they got from NM which would likely be straight after the 1st round

 

[charcolechaddy]

There was a clear top 14.

We will see, would have rather’d a tall in side/ out side. Could have got one and not given up a second.

 

[Stevros]

Yeah I’m just talking hypotheticals
I like the sinn pick prob cost a bit much but we have done very well in the past picking players that performed well in underage years. There was melts with georgiades coz we picked higher then what people thought and now he looks like he could be a star
Sinn was projected to push for the number 1 spot and got injuries but you don’t just lose that talent
We could still have gotten a steal
And really next year with the half backs we have we could trade players out to get picks in the 2nd round anyway

 

[Wargreymon90]

Johnson must be more laverde than Pendlebury

 

[PrisonBars4life]

Love the pick of Sinn (IF HE PLAYS MID), hate how we got there though.


Pick 18, Ladhams and 2nd in 2022
Turns into Sinn.


In terms of draft points, that effectively means we paid the price of about Pick #2 for Sinn. That's just insanely bad trading.

That is absolutely correct and the people calling fair criticism bed wetting can gagf. The Ladhams trade was dogshit and it was sold to us as opening up the players we wanted. Then tonight we find out tonight it wasn't enough and we have to add a future 2nd on top. If we had done Ladhams + our 2nd for a 4 pick upgrade + a future third during trade week, the would have genuinely had to think whether to approve it. We would have declared a Fatwa on the club. Lots of people talking like a 2nd rounder is nothing. We picked Clurey, Drew, traded for Fantasia and Aliir with seconds. The reason why we don't have more success with 2nds is we keep on trading them away.

Patrick Lipinski	Western Bulldogs	Northern Knights	TAC Cup	Traded from Gold Coast; received from Richmond
2	29	Shai Bolton	Richmond	South Fremantle	WAFL	Free agency compensation pick (Vickery)
2	30	Sam McLarty	Collingwood	Oakleigh Chargers	TAC Cup
2	31	Josh Begley	Essendon	Eastern Ranges	TAC Cup	Traded from Melbourne
2	32	Joe Atley	Port Adelaide	Bendigo Pioneers	TAC Cup	Traded from Gold Coast; received from Port Adelaide
2	33	Willem Drew	Port Adelaide	North Ballarat Rebels	TAC Cup	Traded from Sydney; received from Greater Western Sydney; received from Brisbane Lions; received from Collingwood; received from St Kilda
2	34	Declan Watson	North Melbourne	Aspley	NEAFL	Academy eligible, but the Brisbane Lions did not match the bid
2	35	Callum Brown

Sam Taylor	Greater Western Sydney	Swan Districts	WAFL	Traded from Carlton; received from Western Bulldogs
2	29	Charlie Spargo	Melbourne	Murray Bushrangers	TAC Cup
2	30	Tom De Koning	Carlton	Dandenong Stingrays	TAC Cup	Traded from Western Bulldogs; received from Essendon
2	31	Bayley Fritsch	Melbourne	Casey Demons	VFL	Traded from Port Adelaide
2	32	Brayden Ainsworth	West Coast	Subiaco	WAFL
2	33	Tom McCartin	Sydney	Geelong Falcons	TAC Cup
2	34	Patrick Naish	Richmond	Northern Knights	TAC Cup	Father–son selection (son of Chris Naish)
2	35	Oscar Clavarino	St Kilda	Dandenong Stingrays	TAC Cup	Traded from Port; received from Haw, GWS, Carl

Xavier O'Neill	West Coast	Oakleigh Chargers	TAC Cup	Traded from Gold Coast; received from Brisbane Lions​
29	Will Kelly	Collingwood	Oakleigh Chargers	TAC Cup	Father–son selection (son of Craig Kelly)​
30	Will Hamill	Adelaide	Dandenong Stingrays	TAC Cup	Traded from Greater Western Sydney; received from Fremantle​
31	Luke Foley	West Coast	Subiaco	WAFL	Traded from Sydney at the draft; received from Carl, W.B.​
32	Luke Valente	Fremantle	Norwood	SANFL	Traded from W.Bulldogs at the draft; Free Agency compo pick (Dahlhaus)​
33	James Jordon	Melbourne	Oakleigh Chargers	TAC Cup	Traded from St K; received from Syd, Carl, Adel​
34	Kieren Briggs	GWS Giants	Pennant Hills	AFL Syd.	Academy selection​
35	Bailey Williams	West Coast	Dandenong Stingrays	TAC Cup	Traded from Gold Coast at the draft; received from Essendon​

28	Josh Worrell	Adelaide	Sandringham Dragons	NAB League	Traded from Sydney at the draft; received from St Kilda in 2018
29	Finn Maginness	Hawthorn	Sandringham Dragons	NAB League	Father–son selection (son of Scott Maginness), matched bid by North Melbourne
30	Harrison Jones	Essendon	Calder Cannons	NAB League	Traded from North Melbourne at the draft; received from Melbourne; received from Fremantle
31	Charlie Comben	North Melbourne	Gippsland Power	NAB League
32	Trent Rivers+	Melbourne	East Fremantle	WAFL	Traded from Fremantle; received from Adelaide
33	Brock Smith	Brisbane Lions	Gippsland Power	NAB League	Traded from Port Adelaide
34	Jack Mahony	North Melbourne	Sandringham Dragons	NAB League	Traded from Hawthorn
35	Flynn Perez	North Melbourne	Bendigo Pioneers	NAB League

28	Sam Berry	Adelaide	Gippsland Power	NAB League	Free Agency compensation pick (Crouch)​
29	Seamus Mitchell	Hawthorn	Bendigo Pioneers	NAB League	Traded from North Melbourne in 2019​
30	Caleb Poulter	Collingwood	Woodville-West Torrens	SANFL	Traded from Melbourne; received from Sydney​
31	Liam McMahon	Collingwood	Northern Knights	NAB League	Traded from Western Bulldogs, received from Collingwood; received from North Melbourne; received from Melbourne; received from Hawthorn in 2019​
32	Errol Gulden	Sydney	UNSW-Eastern Suburbs Bulldogs	Sydney AFL	Academy selection, matched bid by Geelong​
33	Shannon Neale	Geelong	South Fremantle	WAFL	Traded from Gold Coast​
34	Fraser Rosman	Melbourne	Sandringham Dragons	NAB League	Traded from North Melbourne; received from Essendon in 2019​
35	Connor Downie	Hawthorn	Eastern Ranges	NAB League	Next Generation Academy selection (Chinese descent), matched bid by North Melbourne​

There are some handy players in the range over the last 5 years.

WC got the player they wanted + a chance to pick up someone of the quality listed above. They're a team that wins a flag every decade. We gifted Sydney a player that fixes up one of their long term problems for next to nothing as well. They're a young top 8 side. The trade is dogshit. Unless he turns out to be a Wines/ Boak / Gray quality player, it is a shit trade. If he's a complete bust, that virtually costs you a shot at a flag. 1 first 22 player plus an entire draft invested is the equivalent of pushing all your chips in at the blackjack table. I really liked him at 14 and it's clearly not his fault how he ended up here. But it's a dogshit trade.

 

[Jakksynn]

I think we’ve developed a bit of a trend of overpaying with draft picks. Might be our recruiters trusting their judgment on who’s worth drafting and who’s not. Last time people were this melt-y on draft night we drafted Butters and Duursma. Hopefully it turns out that good this time

 

[Coobk001]

There was a clear top 14.

So clear that a couple of the fancies didn't get selected and a couple absolute bolters did.

 

[PrisonBars4life]

I think we’ve developed a bit of a trend of overpaying with draft picks. Might be our recruiters trusting their judgment on who’s worth drafting and who’s not. Last time people were this melt-y on draft night we drafted Butters and Duursma. Hopefully it turns out that good this time

That's not really what happened. We picked up picks trading out first 22 players (which turned out to be a good decision). Then we decided we absolutely had to have Rozee so much so that we traded picks 11, 29, 30, 35, and 49 for pick 5 (Rozee) and a future 3rd. We traded out 35 to upgrade 6 to 5 and then picks 6-8 turned out to be better than Rozee.

 

[Rendaw]

and then picks 6-8 turned out to be better than Rozee.

Rozee has been dealing with injuries. When he was healthy he almost won the rising star. I highly doubt when their careers are over that the Rozee trade will be looked at as a bad move