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It really shouldn't. I don't see why we need to be so explicit just to avoid a situation that common sense should have prevented in the first place. It is not reasonable to decide to only let some cars through.
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I don't particularly support either, and while I think that it is pretty narrow viewed generally to pinpoint the championship to one stewards' decision - there were a few moments within this race that made it Max's win rather than Lewis' that was not Masi related. And they all have a knock on effect to the final SC period.
Perez vs Hamilton - absolutely amazing defending by Checo and in the space of a few laps he 100% justified why he was hired for that Red Bull seat. I'm not sure it's even underselling it to say it was championship-defining. Had Checo not cost Hamilton around 7 seconds, Lewis would have had a clear SC pit window of 14 secs+.
Giovinazzi DNF - Mercedes had the opportunity to pit Lewis under VSC. They didn't, and while he tends to question everything, Lewis did rightly wonder whether they should have done this. Had Hamilton boxed, he has fresher tyres and all of a sudden Max isn't reeling Hamilton in and the gap isn't sub-14 seconds.
Latifi DNF - This is where Checo and the non-VSC pit becomes so crucial. All Lewis needed was a lead of 16-17 seconds to cover off a slow pit-stop and he can put on a set of new softs. Masi's decision then becomes mostly irrelevant and we have a final lap shootout between Max and Lewis on equal tyres. (Which means they probably collide and we have even more to talk about)
Not saying it's Mercedes fault for not boxing Lewis, but Perez coupled with the first VSC non-pit were the defining moments of the race.
But yes, balance of the season, 18x top-2 finishes by Max shows that he is more than a deserving champion.
If SC goes on for too long just red flag and let everyone put up to 5 laps of fuel in. Simps. Or make rule that cars need to finish with certain amount of minimum reserve fuel to only be used if a safety car occurs within the last 5 laps as per previous rule. It’s not hard.
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Sunday / Monday is a good example of With it needed to be explicit.
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the way it was done ensured max won. hamilton had a - i think -12 sec lead. which was shot to pieces by the decision to in a piecemeal way unlap.
It's just occurred to me, it's a bit rich a bunch of AFL fans deriding the FIA for not following their own rules. The AFL change their rules and interpretation of their rules on a weekly, sometimes quarter by quarter basis!
Leads are always undone by any safety car and backmarkers between the leaders are always gotten out of the way. The only thing that happened differently was the backmarkers between Max and Sainz weren't out of the way.
Leads are always undone by any safety car and backmarkers between the leaders are always gotten out of the way. The only thing that happened differently was the backmarkers between Max and Sainz weren't out of the way.
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Technically the simplest way is what already occurs.
No stopping the races unless absolutely necessary.
No extending the race for anything. No refuelling.
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6 laps is a ridiculously long time to clear a car too I would think.
The safety car was zooming around, presumably at the required speed for drivers to keep heat in their tyres.
It was deployed almost instantly, they cleared Latifi in 2 or 3 laps. Not sure what happened for the rest... they seemed convinced they wouldn't let the cars unlap, then decided last minute they probably should have...
In the end there was only 3 cars that didnt unlap themselves. If they made the call even 20 seconds earlier there was heaps of time to get it done. THe rest is at the discretion of the race director. They dont have to wait till the lap after for the safety car to come in despite what that one particular clause saying. Given the circumstances they wanted to finish it racing.
It's a pressure cooker situation. Regardless of what they decided, we'd be talking about it right now.
The argument would instead be.. poor max, he lead the most laps through the year ... more than the rest of the field combined. He had moire wins, more poles. Yet loses? And only due to being punted off the track once by Hamilton, once by Bottas and once by Pirelli incompetance.
The safety car was zooming around, presumably at the required speed for drivers to keep heat in their tyres.
It was deployed almost instantly, they cleared Latifi in 2 or 3 laps. Not sure what happened for the rest... they seemed convinced they wouldn't let the cars unlap, then decided last minute they probably should have...
In the end there was only 3 cars that didnt unlap themselves. If they made the call even 20 seconds earlier there was heaps of time to get it done. THe rest is at the discretion of the race director. They dont have to wait till the lap after for the safety car to come in despite what that one particular clause saying. Given the circumstances they wanted to finish it racing.
It's a pressure cooker situation. Regardless of what they decided, we'd be talking about it right now.
The argument would instead be.. poor max, he lead the most laps through the year ... more than the rest of the field combined. He had moire wins, more poles. Yet loses? And only due to being punted off the track once by Hamilton, once by Bottas and once by Pirelli incompetance.
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Nothing rich about it, we get annoyed at that too. Every gameday thread is full of complaints about the ever-changing interpretations.
Yeah it's stupid and wastes extra laps for no reason. They should say 'lapped cars to unlap in Sector 3 and 1' or wherever appropriate.
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Because lapped cars tend to fly around the track when they're unlapping themselves. You lose control of where they are and what they're doing.
If a crashed car / loaders / marshalls on the track, then everyone needs to stay behind the safety car where they are accounted for.
Only way it would work is if they added a second safety car (but would need to be capable of going quicker... ie an old f1 car with flashing hazard lights on it? haha) to escort the unlapped cars around the track and slow where the accident is still being cleaned up.
Haha fair enough. They could drive to a delta like under VSC tho
Faster than the SC but not 300kph and with a slow delta nearer to the accident. It's no different to the unlapped cars driving around that haven't caught up to the SC pack yet.
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They are supposed to drive cautiously, they aren't meant to go flat out.Haha fair enough. They could drive to a delta like under VSC tho
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Having watched the last few laps in real time again, I think instead of Massi taking too long to let them unlap, he was at the mercy of the local tr dj marshalls and when they gave the "all clear" (from a people on track POV).
He may have been screaming at the local Abu Dhabians to get off the track, but my theory is we actually heard/saw the moment he got the green light from them - when he was on the radio to Red Bull and said "stand by..."
I reckon it's at that moment he's finally been given the green light of track clear, and literally had to make a split second call on whether he starts the unlapping process or not.
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Merc have done the same in the past....
Mercedes joins Ferrari with threats to leave F1 over Liberty Media's direction
Both manufacturer teams disagree with the proposed engine rules and budget caps
and more recently (obviously not the same level as flat out quitting):
Mercedes decline to participate in FIA champions photoshoot as appeal wait goes on
Mercedes has refused to take part in an official FIA photoshoot commemorating the constructors champions of 2021 as the team considers whether to appeal the results of last weekend's title-deciding Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.
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End of the day, the latest RBR threat is just Dr Marko running his mouth, I doubt there is any substance to it.
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I'm not expecting them to. Just another f1 one team whining. They do seem to threaten to quit more than most though. Ferrari maybe a little more.Merc have done the same in the past....
Mercedes joins Ferrari with threats to leave F1 over Liberty Media's direction
Both manufacturer teams disagree with the proposed engine rules and budget capswww.autoweek.com
and more recently (obviously not the same level as flat out quitting):
Mercedes decline to participate in FIA champions photoshoot as appeal wait goes on
Mercedes has refused to take part in an official FIA photoshoot commemorating the constructors champions of 2021 as the team considers whether to appeal the results of last weekend's title-deciding Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.
End of the day, the latest RBR threat is just Dr Marko running his mouth, I doubt there is any substance to it.
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