2021 Formula One Season

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Vader

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Knowing now that the initial pace wasn't there I think the undercut still may have been possible pitting 3-5 laps later. If so, that slight wait would have been ideal as Ricciardo would have had something left at the end to challenge for P9/10 instead of dropping back with off tyres.
Hindsight's a b*tch.

With the benefit of hindsight, he would have been better off waiting those 3-5 laps, and wouldn't have been caught on dead rubber at the end of the race.

Without the benefit of hindsight, he found himself unable to get past George Russell, on tyres which were going bald. He thought there would be greater pace in a new set of tyres, which would allow him to do the undercut. I think at that stage they were still expecting to go to slicks at some stage before the end of the race too, so he wasn't expecting to run to the end of the race on that 2nd set of intermediate wets.
 

barrackers

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Hindsight's a b*tch.

With the benefit of hindsight, he would have been better off waiting those 3-5 laps, and wouldn't have been caught on dead rubber at the end of the race.

Without the benefit of hindsight, he found himself unable to get past George Russell, on tyres which were going bald. He thought there would be greater pace in a new set of tyres, which would allow him to do the undercut. I think at that stage they were still expecting to go to slicks at some stage before the end of the race too, so he wasn't expecting to run to the end of the race on that 2nd set of intermediate wets.
Yep, undoubtably they were hoping for a more traditional 1-2 lap undercut with Russell pitting soon after to match the expected increase in lap time. Had that occurred everyone's tyres would have been the same age and therefore in a similar position for whatever eventuated with the weather.
 

BIRDBRAIN

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Where has all this Mercedes pace come from? Max is in big trouble now, Looking difficult to beat Bottas let alone SLH. A couple of Merc 1-2's and its all over, they were 15-20kph faster on the straight and they were running a lot of wing too.
 

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royboy2

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Where has all this Mercedes pace come from? Max is in big trouble now, Looking difficult to beat Bottas let alone SLH. A couple of Merc 1-2's and its all over, they were 15-20kph faster on the straight and they were running a lot of wing too.
With these GP to come:
Oct 22 - 24United States GP
Circuit of the Americas
Oct 25 - 6:00 amABC/WatchESPN
Nov 5 - 7Mexican GP
Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez
Nov 8 - 6:00 amABC/WatchESPN
Nov 12 - 14Brazilian GP
Autodromo Jose Carlos Pace
Nov 15 - 3:00 amESPN2/WatchESPN
Nov 18 - 20Qatar GP
Losail International Circuit
Nov 21 - 8:00 am
Dec 3 - 5Saudi Arabian GP
Jeddah Street Circuit
Dec 6 - 4:30 amESPN2/WatchESPN
Dec 10 - 12Etihad Airways Abu Dhabi GP
Yas Marina Circuit
Dec 13 - 12:00 amESPN2/WatchESPN
USA
Mexico
Brazil
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Abu Dhabi

That top end speed may just prove the difference, whilst we haven't seen KSA or QAT yet, they have some pretty quick sections
 

Neale4brownlow

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Where has all this Mercedes pace come from? Max is in big trouble now, Looking difficult to beat Bottas let alone SLH. A couple of Merc 1-2's and its all over, they were 15-20kph faster on the straight and they were running a lot of wing too.
I would wager a guess all of Lewis' early moaning in the year that they were done with upgrades was total BS.

Certainly seems to me like they're still upgrading their car.

Red Bull’s complaint against Mercedes power unit ‘trick’ - report | PlanetF1

Could be something to do with this but I would think Merc have been running that 'trick' all year.
Or perhaps they've always had it, but pushing the boundaries a bit more with it recently out of necessity to remain competitive.
 

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With these GP to come:
Oct 22 - 24United States GP
Circuit of the Americas
Oct 25 - 6:00 amABC/WatchESPN
Nov 5 - 7Mexican GP
Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez
Nov 8 - 6:00 amABC/WatchESPN
Nov 12 - 14Brazilian GP
Autodromo Jose Carlos Pace
Nov 15 - 3:00 amESPN2/WatchESPN
Nov 18 - 20Qatar GP
Losail International Circuit
Nov 21 - 8:00 am
Dec 3 - 5Saudi Arabian GP
Jeddah Street Circuit
Dec 6 - 4:30 amESPN2/WatchESPN
Dec 10 - 12Etihad Airways Abu Dhabi GP
Yas Marina Circuit
Dec 13 - 12:00 amESPN2/WatchESPN
USA
Mexico
Brazil
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Abu Dhabi

That top end speed may just prove the difference, whilst we haven't seen KSA or QAT yet, they have some pretty quick sections
I expect Mercedes to be quicker at Austin and Abu Dhabi
I expect Red Bull to be quicker at Mexico and possibly also Brazil (marginally, should be a great race).

Which leaves the two new tracks as unknowns.
 

BIRDBRAIN

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Bottas did a 1:30.4 fastest lap at the end, over 1.5 seconds faster than any other lap in the race. That mercedes is now a rocket ship on rails and I don't expect any track to actually favour Red Bull.
 

Bradesmaen

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With these GP to come:
Oct 22 - 24United States GP
Circuit of the Americas
Oct 25 - 6:00 amABC/WatchESPN
Nov 5 - 7Mexican GP
Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez
Nov 8 - 6:00 amABC/WatchESPN
Nov 12 - 14Brazilian GP
Autodromo Jose Carlos Pace
Nov 15 - 3:00 amESPN2/WatchESPN
Nov 18 - 20Qatar GP
Losail International Circuit
Nov 21 - 8:00 am
Dec 3 - 5Saudi Arabian GP
Jeddah Street Circuit
Dec 6 - 4:30 amESPN2/WatchESPN
Dec 10 - 12Etihad Airways Abu Dhabi GP
Yas Marina Circuit
Dec 13 - 12:00 amESPN2/WatchESPN
USA
Mexico
Brazil
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Abu Dhabi

That top end speed may just prove the difference, whilst we haven't seen KSA or QAT yet, they have some pretty quick sections
Qatar isn't a top speed track. Has a 1km long straight but after that it's all about downforce and acceleration. KSA will be similar one suspects apart from the really long straight.
 

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Just caught up but how on earth was that a penalty to Gasly? Don't know what he was expected to do and definition of a racing accident I would have thought.

Loved Seb's balls taking on the mediums and found the resulting lap hilarious when it was obvious he made a big mistake.

No sympathy for Hamilton. Praised his team last race and went on about how great they are. Then ignores what would have been a good call by them to get a second set of inters on early.
 

Skull Face

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Just caught up but how on earth was that a penalty to Gasly? Don't know what he was expected to do and definition of a racing accident I would have thought.

Loved Seb's balls taking on the mediums and found the resulting lap hilarious when it was obvious he made a big mistake.

No sympathy for Hamilton. Praised his team last race and went on about how great they are. Then ignores what would have been a good call by them to get a second set of inters on early.
Alonso had him done, gasly didn't do enough to avoid tagging him not that it mattered he didnt lose a place from it.
 

Skull Face

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Not a single F1 driver would go with this approach. And if they did, they wouldn’t be in F1 much longer.
The position was already gone, alonso could carry more speed and was already ahead. Not being able to recognise when you are beaten and pick another battle front is what causes accidents and costs you points in the long run.
 

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