He, like anyone else will go where the money is. If he turns out to be a star, we'll be paying overs to keep him, either in dollars or contract length. It's the status quo.
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I didn't see the trial game but interested in your Worrell comment. Was he injured last year?... because I thought it would have been a perfect opportunity for him to get a game. From the little I've seen of him I've got high expectations.
His disposal is ok for an inside midfielder. Not the best, not the worst.
The problem is that he gets most of his possession uncontested. That’s how he went at GWS, and if you noticed in the internal trial it was Pedlar and Berry winning contests and feeding out to Hately.
If you want to get 15 uncontested possessions per game, you better have above average skills, otherwise you are hurting your team every time you get the ball.
So he’s outside the 22 for me also.
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Worrell just looks composed. Got plenty of the ball. Just never seemed rushed. One of those players that looks like he has time to make decisions
(noting it wasn’t a proper game).
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I don't think you can really carry over his GWS output as a predictive tool on how he's going to play his footy as a midfielder. I read that he literally attended zero center bounces last year. Played almost exclusively on the flanks.
Not many players racking up high contested ball numbers around the AFL playing 100% HFF.
I think he ends up pretty balanced mid when stats actually start getting taken. But would also very much like to see him clean up that disposal!
I said very early in the piece that his style seriously reminded me of Bulldogs Bontempelli. What you've just described is the best part of the Bont's game. I'll be happy if Worrell turns out to be half as good as that.
Wow. We agree on something. There is hope for us yet, ol’ Sanders.
One internal trial game in, and looks to me Pedlar and Berry are both already well ahead of Hately for ball-winning despite being 2 years junior, 10 cm shorter, and 10 kg lighter.
Hope to see Hately try to take charge in the next trial to show he deserves a chance in R1.
I was going to say this but feared people yelling at me that intra-club form doesn't mean diddly squat. Id be very surprised though if Pedlar and Berry dont overtake him in the pecking order.
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I'd be very happy if they did, because Hately is a very good young prospect.
Means our midfield will look very good.
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Hately is a lock
he looks like him now!
the younger Daniel rich had much shorter hair
You reckon? Both have solid melons but that’s all I can see
Few of his early kicks were real wobblers. Type of s**t I kick when I go to the park to kick the ball with my nephew. That kind of thing needs to get better.
He has obvious skills, but not 100% convinced he'll be a superstar. Given we didn't give anything to get him that's not a total issue and every team needs guys like Richard Douglas in the side.
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A bigger deal out west.
Be very wary of this complaint, whilst doable (and there are examples in 2020, i.e Oliver, Cripps, Yeo), it's not that common for a player to be operating at >50% contested ball, even if you are playing on the inside, once you are at a high level of accumulation. I also don't think I'd particularly trust a midfield system that allowed a player to get that skewed on inside ball.
Considering the coaches came out being happy about Hatelys contested game (from his presser), the assumption has to be in whatever stats they've kept, Hately won a lot of contested ball and won a good number of clearances (noting he'd is expected to be an inside midfielder).
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A bigger deal out west.
They won't, but that's because Hately has a point of difference that saves him from having to duke it out with the Berry and Pedlars of this world, which is his height/size. It does give Jackson a pretty important lane to sit in at the moment, especially noting this clubs troubles when we don't operate with a genuinely big midfielder (seeing how same/same everyone is, which Berry and Pedlar is just more of, noting both are very similar to Crouch, and Sloane).
It's a question of when Berry and Pedlar overtake every one of their competitors though at the moment. The trio of them + Hately is probably what a key component of our inside midifeld looks like in the future though.
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You put way, way too much loading on height in a midfielder, 190cm midfielders are still the exception not the rule.
Hately has done 3 AFL pre-seasons and unless the published weights are still not updated he's only 3kg heavier than Pedlar and 2kg heavier than Sam Berry.
Last year's Brownlow medalist is 12cm shorter than Hately and a kilo heavier.
Measurements have been updated on the AFL Website. Hately is 191cm 91kg now.
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A bigger deal out west.
And you've hit the nail on the head why I am putting so much emphasis on height. They are the exception, and positive exceptions which this is, as AFL does have a small bias towards being taller and heavier in terms of player sizes (noting how exceptional, or specialised you need to be to get onto a list at <175 cms) should always be prioritised. After all, being bigger and taller then your opponent opens the game up for you. It's easier to be a marking/intercept threat around the ground, as well as giving more room for error to prevent (and create) turnovers in handball passages. It makes it easier to win a hardball when you are cracking in because you have a longer reach as well as the extra weight, as well as to either lay a tackle or at least make some attempt to slow down an opposition player. It opens up flexibility forward and back as you could feasibly rest as another tall, in which there is less competition for in a best 22 (and you could potentially ditch carrying a tall on the bench, meaning more midfielders/runners). The good thing about all sports is these things can be overcome if you're good enough (hence why it's never properly homogenised), however every investment into someone who offers these kinds of points of difference is effectively an investment into how versatile, and resilient your side is as a whole.
Height/weights haven't been updated as Gollant is still at 72 kg, despite that puff piece where he gained 13 kg. Torpedro posted an updated amount which had Hately at 91 kg this offseason. Considering some other numbers checked out (namely Gollant), I'm inclined to trust it until proven otherwise.
He did struggled getting the ball to spin backwards.
Makes logical sense. I expect the club is thinking the same way. I recall Hamish saying something along these lines after drafting O’Connor.
But doesn’t align with reality IMO. Hawthorn and Richmond the two great teams of the last decade and neither had a midfielder taller than 187 cm. The common thread in their midfields isn’t size - it’s skill.
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As a HFF or midfielder? Cause the only time he would have played proper midfield for comparison sake since being in The AFL would be in the NEAFL, where according to what I’ve read he was one of the most dominant players in that league (not saying it’s a particularly good league, just that he dominated it as a mid).
Unfortunately I could only find very basic stats which didn’t include contested : uncontested. But his average were 27 disposals, 7 tackles and 6 marks per game (fun fact, he bettered Jye Caldwell in every key category). I would be surprised if that wasn’t a relatively even split.
Mutineer seems to know his NEAFL quite well, so he might have more comprehensive stats/feedback on his time there
