List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

Giant Strides · Sep 30, 2021

Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker

FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more

www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)

Danny88 · Oct 2, 2021

fridgeman said:
I would not be a fan of the Andrew selection as yes he does seem to be a talent but I dont see a need for him, if he had form as a KPD or a high scoring KPF then yes and I think with a young team and I see Andrew as needing a lot of development it would takeaway from the development of others. If the team had a different dynamic (More experienced players, coaches and a higher soft cap) I would be more supportive
Could trade #13 for the Demons 1st rder this year and next then they could pick him up

If they only take 3 picks I would like to see Callaghan, Van Rooyen and Fahey. May need to split #13 depending on where VR could go as #13 may be too high

Hartley could be an option in the rookie draft as cheap depth for the season although he may be too similar to Stein and I see an option of a swap of TOJ with a tall defender with the Crows Himmelburg or Murray

Just observationally Im not sure how him taking two years to develop "takes away" from the development of anyone else to be honest. At such a high pick... we WANT him to develop..... how would that be a bad thing?

fridgeman · Oct 2, 2021

Danny88 said:
Just observationally Im not sure how him taking two years to develop "takes away" from the development of anyone else to be honest. At such a high pick... we WANT him to develop..... how would that be a bad thing?

It is more the coaches spending more time with him than say for example Callaghan would take away from the time they could spend with Fahey to help him develop
I am not saying that is what would happen it is just on when you look at the development of the players at the Suns and Giants a lot stalled or didnt develop as would be expected due to the amount of draftees at the clubs v the amount of coaches. This has lots of other aspects to look at and without being at the club all it is is speculation

I am actually turning to the idea of Andrew or Gibcus if the club is in a position to pick up either by using next years 1st and #13 to move up the draft order, just not sure who could be up for that trade

Hendo_21 · Oct 2, 2021

fridgeman said:
It is more the coaches spending more time with him than say for example Callaghan would take away from the time they could spend with Fahey to help him develop
I am not saying that is what would happen it is just on when you look at the development of the players at the Suns and Giants a lot stalled or didnt develop as would be expected due to the amount of draftees at the clubs v the amount of coaches. This has lots of other aspects to look at and without being at the club all it is is speculation

I am actually turning to the idea of Andrew or Gibcus if the club is in a position to pick up either by using next years 1st and #13 to move up the draft order, just not sure who could be up for that trade

I don't think that's due to coaches focusing more on some players then others. Giants had such a high volume of picks at the start that just due to the sheer number of picks a lot of guys didn't work out, it wasn't because they were poorly developed they likely just didn't have what it takes at the AFL level. In every draft there's busts and guys that don't work out and because we had more picks early on, the maths just meant we drafted more busts it wasn't the fact that coaches neglected certain players we also hit on a lot of young players because we had more picks. Higher volume of picks just means you draft more busts and good players.

Giant Strides · Oct 2, 2021

Just as an observation, I think GWS has done fairly well in terms of player development - certainly better than Suns. We've turned a lot of wantaway players into high or at least reasonable draft picks because they have continued to develop in their time at the club. Of course we've had a few misses along the way - all clubs have over time. Those early years I would agree were more difficult because of the sheer number of young kids at the club - with a lack of experienced players to allow the kids to come into a stable setup/gameplan as well as coaches being spread too thin in the 1-on-1 coaching.

Andre the Giant · Oct 2, 2021

It’s a probably not wise to get too wedded to any player right now with all the uncertainty as to what will play out over next few weeks and even on draft night.

We definitely need to find another key defender as well as a forward. Whether that can be done in one year or over two I’m not sure but we need this way more than we need another mid.

I can see Ash being injected more into the midfield after his 2nd half to the season and he gives us the speed we have been lacking as does Bruhn.

With that in mind Callaghan is not a necessity but one of Andrew or Gibcus (or both) probably is. That said both of them are skinny rakes who will take a couple of years to fill out.

Andrew has some Luke Jackson traits and would be a point of difference.

Because he is so athletic he may not take as long to break through, he is deceptively strong.

Gibcus definitely needs to build his body up as at the moment he could only be a number 3 defender and I don’t know if Sam Taylor can be number 1 all the time as he gets out bodied but some of the big lads.

I do hope we find a mature bodied defender somewhere, even if it’s a stop gap scenario.

Hendo_21 · Oct 2, 2021

Andre the Giant said:
It’s a probably not wise to get too wedded to any player right now with all the uncertainty as to what will play out over next few weeks and even on draft night.

We definitely need to find another key defender as well as a forward. Whether that can be done in one year or over two I’m not sure but we need this way more than we need another mid.

I can see Ash being injected more into the midfield after his 2nd half to the season and he gives us the speed we have been lacking as does Bruhn.

With that in mind Callaghan is not a necessity but one of Andrew or Gibcus (or both) probably is. That said both of them are skinny rakes who will take a couple of years to fill out.

Andrew has some Luke Jackson traits and would be a point of difference.

Because he is so athletic he may not take as long to break through, he is deceptively strong.

Gibcus definitely needs to build his body up as at the moment he could only be a number 3 defender and I don’t know if Sam Taylor can be number 1 all the time as he gets out bodied but some of the big lads.

I do hope we find a mature bodied defender somewhere, even if it’s a stop gap scenario.

I just don't see the need for Mac at all unless they view him as a key forward but another ruck/forward is something we already have and are quite well stocked in that department. Flynn and Briggs and both still under 24 and capable of playing AFL standard right now, while somehow Preuss is still some how only 26 years old. That's 3 guys right there that are capable of being at least average ruckmen if not going to better then that next year. The positional fit doesn't make sense unless long term they view him as KPF, we're in no need now or in the future of ruckmen that can play forward or vice versa nor is he the best player avaliable. They have to view him as a KPF and even still that risk can be taken at picks 5-10 and not at 2. This either has to be some sort of a fake story to throw people off the scent or a few of the guys we have currently are going to leave and we don't know about it. The story could also be old news maybe the Giants actually were considering taking Mac earlier in the year but now that we're picking at 2 they've re-assessed and no new leaks have come out of our camp so they're still running with old information.

PMBangers · Oct 2, 2021

There's also a strong possibility we view Mac as a defender which wouldn't surprise me, I've overheard a few recruiters saying that's where they would've liked to seen him tried a bit if the season continued in Victoria

Hendo_21 · Oct 2, 2021

PMBangers said:
There's also a strong possibility we view Mac as a defender which wouldn't surprise me, I've overheard a few recruiters saying that's where they would've liked to seen him tried a bit if the season continued in Victoria

That'd make sense as well.

Orange crush · Oct 2, 2021

PMBangers said:
There's also a strong possibility we view Mac as a defender which wouldn't surprise me, I've overheard a few recruiters saying that's where they would've liked to seen him tried a bit if the season continued in Victoria

A more natural footballer than alir?
I’d be stoked if we get Andrew, ???, Fahey and a 2022 first rounder by trading down .... good use of the picks traded to Collingwood last year

Giant Strides · Oct 2, 2021

PMBangers said:
There's also a strong possibility we view Mac as a defender which wouldn't surprise me, I've overheard a few recruiters saying that's where they would've liked to seen him tried a bit if the season continued in Victoria

Mainly as an intercepting type defender? With his low weight, he'd surely struggle 1-on-1 for a couple of years, if not perhaps always? Could he be the longer term Nick Haynes replacement?

I think people's concern is - while recognising he has a lot of talent and could prove to be an astute acquisition in the long term - it's just hard to see exactly where he fills a need (or even want) in the shorter term. I know we need to look longer term, but we also need to be cognisant of the shorter term needs.

Taking him as a defender still leaves us exposed for the next couple of years as Davis & Keeffe likely leave, and we have injuries (on top of the current 2 LTIs).

Taking him as a forward and getting someone else as a defender would negate the risk in the KPD area, but then ask whether we have a KPF risk.

If we see him as a Nik Cox-style winger, then that's taking him in lieu of Callaghan - I guess it then comes down to whether people see a bigger upside for Mac than Finn.

Orange crush · Oct 2, 2021

I’m really in two minds .... Andrew seems a lot riskier than Finn but seems to have an amazing ceiling. But as Mr Strides says ... where do we see him playing? Finn seems to address a definite need.

I think I need to see us trade down and cover some of the risk by picking up another pick

JC100 · Oct 2, 2021

PMBangers said:
There's also a strong possibility we view Mac as a defender which wouldn't surprise me, I've overheard a few recruiters saying that's where they would've liked to seen him tried a bit if the season continued in Victoria

This had crossed my mind. Watching his highlight reel he looks to have the traits that convert to an intercepting defender.

Not 100% convinced he is a pick 2 however so many of our picks in recent years have been safe bets without a lot of match winning capability. I would be stoked if we ended up with Andrew and Rachele if we could somehow engineer that by moving 13 up and 2 back a few picks.

Ouside of Toby who do we have that can tear a game apart - is say we don’t have anyone.

Giant Strides · Oct 2, 2021

Orange crush said:
A more natural footballer than alir?
I’d be stoked if we get Andrew, ???, Fahey and a 2022 first rounder by trading down .... good use of the picks traded to Collingwood last year

OK, so thinking about this.

If we traded pick #2 to Richmond in return for picks #7, #15 & #38. (There'd be some wiggle room around the third pick, or one of our later picks going back, but I would opine that something more than #7 & #15 is needed to get as high as #2, especially given the situation this year in the draft.)

#2 gives Richmond Finn Callaghan who fills a need (they'd presumably also bid Darcy & Daicos as filling needs). At #3 Suns take Gibcus (more likely than Mac, given they just grabbed Chol). Adelaide need mids, surely at #4 they'd take Erasmus, Ward or Hobbs - assume Erasmus. At #5 Hawks take Ward. #6 goes to Freo for Cerra - are they a risk to take Andrew, or do they stick with a local in Jye Amiss at that pick? That's probably the risk point for GWS in trading back.

Crossing fingers that Mac is available at #7 if we do trade down ... then:

We've got #7, #13, #15, #38, #52, #70 (ignoring other compo picks that will come in etc). We couldn't take them all to the draft, so trade #13 into 2022's draft (perhaps Saints, who want another pick this year, for their future first; or Eagles, who need to rejuvenate).

#38 & #52 would be to match a bid on Fahey after our second choice at #15 (more fingers crossed that no-one screws us in the first round, but everything coming out lately seems to rate Fahey further down the draft order than first round - those picks would roughly cover late first round matching onwards, worst case a small deficit in 2022).

That leaves a choice at #15 (which is #17 after the father/son selections). If we've rated Mac Andrew either as a winger (Nik Cox-tyle) potentially as an initial position with further potential forward/ruck/defence later, then we could select a KPD with this pick - Bazzo, Alleer, JVR or Schlensog depending on your personal opinion (#17 is probably slightly early for any of those, so we could trade slightly later plus another future pick in the second or third round, but would we risk losing someone we want for that?).

That gives us 3 selections: Andrew (x-factor, wing + future development), KPD for immediate development, Josh Fahey. Plus an extra first round pick in 2022.

Alternatively #15 is used on best available - perhaps a Sinn, Sonsie or Chesser who could be a winger instead of Callaghan if we see Mac Andrew as a forward or defender, and we simply pick up a delisted KPD in the PSSP to cover the LTIs and any immediate need for a defender.

Orange crush · Oct 2, 2021

Giant Strides said:
OK, so thinking about this.

If we traded pick #2 to Richmond in return for picks #7, #15 & #38. (There'd be some wiggle room around the third pick, or one of our later picks going back, but I would opine that something more than #7 & #15 is needed to get as high as #2, especially given the situation this year in the draft.)

#2 gives Richmond Finn Callaghan who fills a need (they'd presumably also bid Darcy & Daicos as filling needs). At #3 Suns take Gibcus (more likely than Mac, given they just grabbed Chol). Adelaide need mids, surely at #4 they'd take Erasmus, Ward or Hobbs - assume Erasmus. At #5 Hawks take Ward. #6 goes to Freo for Cerra - are they a risk to take Andrew, or do they stick with a local in Jye Amiss at that pick? That's probably the risk point for GWS in trading back.

Crossing fingers that Mac is available at #7 if we do trade down ... then:

We've got #7, #13, #15, #38, #52, #70 (ignoring other compo picks that will come in etc). We couldn't take them all to the draft, so trade #13 into 2022's draft (perhaps Saints, who want another pick this year, for their future first; or Eagles, who need to rejuvenate).

#38 & #52 would be to match a bid on Fahey after our second choice at #15 (more fingers crossed that no-one screws us in the first round, but everything coming out lately seems to rate Fahey further down the draft order than first round - those picks would roughly cover late first round matching onwards, worst case a small deficit in 2022).

That leaves a choice at #15 (which is #17 after the father/son selections). If we've rated Mac Andrew either as a winger (Nik Cox-tyle) potentially as an initial position with further potential forward/ruck/defence later, then we could select a KPD with this pick - Bazzo, Alleer, JVR or Schlensog depending on your personal opinion (#17 is probably slightly early for any of those, so we could trade slightly later plus another future pick in the second or third round, but would we risk losing someone we want for that?).

That gives us 3 selections: Andrew (x-factor, wing + future development), KPD for immediate development, Josh Fahey. Plus an extra first round pick in 2022.

Alternatively #15 is used on best available - perhaps a Sinn, Sonsie or Chesser who could be a winger instead of Callaghan if we see Mac Andrew as a forward or defender, and we simply pick up a delisted KPD in the PSSP to cover the LTIs and any immediate need for a defender.

This is how I see us getting most out of things as they stand .... but then why take all those risks .... just take Finn

Giant Strides · Oct 2, 2021

Orange crush said:
This is how I see us getting most out of things as they stand .... but then why take all those risks .... just take Finn

Well, Caruso has said a number of times that they look at the long term - who provides the club the most upside over the whole of their career. So, if they see Andrew provides that over Callaghan, they may choose him.

We don't see the inner workings; perhaps Callaghan hasn't interviewed well. There's been some rumblings about him being a flight risk (apparently related to Bevo, is a mad keen fan of his & wants to play for Bulldogs) so possibly we see him being a greater risk than Andrew, who from some accounts has interviewed pretty well (not specifically GWS though).

Hendo_21 · Oct 2, 2021

Giant Strides said:
Well, Caruso has said a number of times that they look at the long term - who provides the club the most upside over the whole of their career. So, if they see Andrew provides that over Callaghan, they may choose him.

We don't see the inner workings; perhaps Callaghan hasn't interviewed well. There's been some rumblings about him being a flight risk (apparently related to Bevo, is a mad keen fan of his & wants to play for Bulldogs) so possibly we see him being a greater risk than Andrew, who from some accounts has interviewed pretty well (not specifically GWS though).

To be fair Caruso is never going to say he doesn't value long term upside, because that's the whole point of the draft. I assume if you asked all evaluators they would probably say the same thing. I'm not sure at what point these guys start to talk to clubs more seriously and interview with them so I can't really say how he's gone in them. Still find it hard to believe they've already narrowed it down to 1 guy at this point in the process.

PMBangers · Oct 2, 2021

Giant Strides said:
Mainly as an intercepting type defender? With his low weight, he'd surely struggle 1-on-1 for a couple of years, if not perhaps always? Could he be the longer term Nick Haynes replacement?

I think people's concern is - while recognising he has a lot of talent and could prove to be an astute acquisition in the long term - it's just hard to see exactly where he fills a need (or even want) in the shorter term. I know we need to look longer term, but we also need to be cognisant of the shorter term needs.

Taking him as a defender still leaves us exposed for the next couple of years as Davis & Keeffe likely leave, and we have injuries (on top of the current 2 LTIs).

Taking him as a forward and getting someone else as a defender would negate the risk in the KPD area, but then ask whether we have a KPF risk.

If we see him as a Nik Cox-style winger, then that's taking him in lieu of Callaghan - I guess it then comes down to whether people see a bigger upside for Mac than Finn.

I think one-on-one ability isn't necessary if your athleticism/ reading of ball and play is good enough, I don't consider Darcy Moore particularly strong in those one-on-one grapples situations, or Ridley, but they're two of the best tall defenders going around, I think Mac could get to that realistically.

Regardless, I don't think there's much more we can get from this discussion, the same things have been said in 20 different ways about Mac, I think our Pick 13 is now the more interesting pick given the options there and the perceived evenness of the 10-30 talent

Hendo_21 · Oct 2, 2021

PMBangers said:
I think one-on-one ability isn't necessary if your athleticism/ reading of ball and play is good enough, I don't consider Darcy Moore particularly strong in those one-on-one grapples situations, or Ridley, but they're two of the best tall defenders going around, I think Mac could get to that realistically.

Regardless, I don't think there's much more we can get from this discussion, the same things have been said in 20 different ways about Mac, I think our Pick 13 is now the more interesting pick given the options there and the perceived evenness of the 10-30 talent

Sinn or Wanganeen would be good at 13 sinn giving plenty of speed and probably would’ve gone a bit higher if it it wasn’t for injury which is something we haven’t shy’d away from in the past. While Wanganeen is a super fit at wing, gives us a true natural winger with some elite ball use. Both could play outside roles while Sinn may be able to tranistiton into a change of pace on baller or could excell off half back, him and Ash would give teams fits withe speed and run and carry they would provide. Both seem like real chances of being avaliable at 13.

PMBangers · Oct 2, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
Sinn or Wanganeen would be good at 13 sinn giving plenty of speed and probably would’ve gone a bit higher if it it wasn’t for injury which is something we haven’t shy’d away from in the past. While Wanganeen is a super fit at wing, gives us a true natural winger with some elite ball use.

It'd be a hard split if both were available, I'd lean Sinn if I had the choice as he pips NWM for speed, although is more prone to burn teammates and blaze away for the highlight play.

Horne-Francis, Callaghan, Gibcus, Ward, Goater, Hobbs, Andrew, Amiss, Wanganeen-Milera, Draper, Erasmus and Sonsie are the names I'd say are most likely off the board if the draft was done today, although I wouldn't be shocked to see Sinn or Rachele come in for two of those guys as well. I wonder if we even consider a guy like Sam Butler, hasn't a whole heap of work as an outside mid but has shown his speed and agility through the inside really well, pretty neat kick which I like. Campbell Chesser had his injury troubles this year but I'd still be keen at 13. I'm super high on Wilmot but I think we're set for defenders obviously, unless we consider pushing a Cumming/ Ash upfield

Hendo_21 · Oct 2, 2021

PMBangers said:
It'd be a hard split if both were available, I'd lean Sinn if I had the choice as he pips NWM for speed, although is more prone to burn teammates and blaze away for the highlight play.

Horne-Francis, Callaghan, Gibcus, Ward, Goater, Hobbs, Andrew, Amiss, Wanganeen-Milera, Draper, Erasmus and Sonsie are the names I'd say are most likely off the board if the draft was done today, although I wouldn't be shocked to see Sinn or Rachele come in for two of those guys as well. I wonder if we even consider a guy like Sam Butler, hasn't a whole heap of work as an outside mid but has shown his speed and agility through the inside really well, pretty neat kick which I like. Campbell Chesser had his injury troubles this year but I'd still be keen at 13. I'm super high on Wilmot but I think we're set for defenders obviously, unless we consider pushing a Cumming/ Ash upfield

Don't think you can ever have enough speed on a team, Sinn would be a really cool fit and could mesh really well with the midfield playing on the outside.

Danny88 · Oct 2, 2021

PMBangers said:
It'd be a hard split if both were available, I'd lean Sinn if I had the choice as he pips NWM for speed, although is more prone to burn teammates and blaze away for the highlight play.

Horne-Francis, Callaghan, Gibcus, Ward, Goater, Hobbs, Andrew, Amiss, Wanganeen-Milera, Draper, Erasmus and Sonsie are the names I'd say are most likely off the board if the draft was done today, although I wouldn't be shocked to see Sinn or Rachele come in for two of those guys as well. I wonder if we even consider a guy like Sam Butler, hasn't a whole heap of work as an outside mid but has shown his speed and agility through the inside really well, pretty neat kick which I like. Campbell Chesser had his injury troubles this year but I'd still be keen at 13. I'm super high on Wilmot but I think we're set for defenders obviously, unless we consider pushing a Cumming/ Ash upfield

id rather take the disposal of NWM over the extra pace of sinn ... isnt he supposed to be the best kick in the draft?

PMBangers · Oct 2, 2021

Danny88 said:
id rather take the disposal of NWM over the extra pace of sinn ... isnt he supposed to be the best kick in the draft?

He pulls off some impressive ones, Sinns technique is essentially perfect though so I think after a few games in at AFL level he'd be close to or just as damaging, he really only fluffed his kicks this year against Northern (shit weather) or when being brought down mid kick

Andre the Giant · Oct 2, 2021

It’s quite amusing listening to the comments about where Mac Andrews fits and whether he’s a ruckman/forward/defender.

These exact same musings and questions were raised about Luke Jackson. “He’s 199cms, that’s too small for a modern day ruckman.” “He doesn’t kick goals so he’s not a forward, what exactly is he.” “He’s only focussed on footy recently, still very naive, will take time.”

Luke Jackson is not a pure ruckman, he is not a pure forward he is a hybrid ruck/forward utility. His flexibility makes him a nightmare match up and means he can fill a number of positions. His speed, athleticism and guile make him one of the most valuable players in the comp.

Is Andrew that? Well not now, and he hasn’t shown the same mid like skills of Jackson but he is one hell of an athlete and has also shown rapid improvement.

Is he the guy for us? I don’t know, but I certainly wouldn’t be knocking the idea as he has things nobody on our list has and could really be a point of difference.

Hendo_21 · Oct 2, 2021

Andre the Giant said:
It’s quite amusing listening to the comments about where Mac Andrews fits and whether he’s a ruckman/forward/defender.

These exact same musings and questions were raised about Luke Jackson. “He’s 199cms, that’s too small for a modern day ruckman.” “He doesn’t kick goals so he’s not a forward, what exactly is he.” “He’s only focussed on footy recently, still very naive, will take time.”

Luke Jackson is not a pure ruckman, he is not a pure forward he is a hybrid ruck/forward utility. His flexibility makes him a nightmare match up and means he can fill a number of positions. His speed, athleticism and guile make him one of the most valuable players in the comp.

Is Andrew that? Well not now, and he hasn’t shown the same mid like skills of Jackson but he is one hell of an athlete and has also shown rapid improvement.

Is he the guy for us? I don’t know, but I certainly wouldn’t be knocking the idea as he has things nobody on our list has and could really be a point of difference.

For every Luke Jackson there's a bunch of guys that never pan out, KP players are really tricky to develop already let alone a guy that hasn't played a lot of footy and is really raw. No doubt the tools are in place but it takes more then just tools to become a great player. Luke Jackson looks really good in Melbourne's system because he doesn't have a great burden on him, he's used as a pinch hit energizer ruckmen and then as the third tall in attack next to Brown and Tmac. Maybe one day he develops into a full time ruck or a number 1 key forward option but at the moment Gawn, Brown and Tmac cover a lot of his deficiencies.

Ichabod Noodle · Oct 2, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
For every Luke Jackson there's a bunch of guys that never pan out,

substitute the name of any top line player in any position on the ground playing for any club.

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