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Freo Set for Bolstered Draft Bonanza
Taylor Black The West Australian
Fri, 30 July 2021 4:11PM

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Adam Cerra and James Aish at Training Credit: Kelsey Reid/The West Australian

In what is set to be a defining off season for the emerging Fremantle Dockers in which they are expected to need to find replacements for Adam Cerra and the wantaway Rory Lobb, a recent development has seen them pursuing an oft overlooked tactic for list management. Cerra and Lobb are both deciding between $700,000 each next season with Fremantle or offers elsewhere, it is understood that Cerra is destined to make his new home at Carlton on a four year deal worth $2.8 million with Lobb considering an off season move to Gold Coast to take up a lucrative, AFL enhanced, ambassador offer at the Suns to lead their young forward group and offer a backup for their depleted rucks.

Fremantle has indicated that both players are required for their 2022 campaign and discussions have yet to move beyond packages involving multiple first round picks. Cerra is expected to be exchanged along with Fremantle's current second round pick for Carlton's first round pick both this year and next, currently pick number six with expectations of an improved season next year pushing the 2022 pick into the early teens. Although Carlton are seeking to avoid their pick six being included in the exchange it is understood that Fremantle will not budge on this requirement as they have their sights set on the elite outside run and skills of Josh Sinn, of the Sandringham Dragons, who they don't believe will be available at their own first pick, currently pick eight.

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Injured pair Rory Lobb and Sean Darcy Credit: Paul Kane/Getty Images via AFL Photos

Rory Lobb being contracted for both 2022 and 2023 is poised to be the harder of the two to pry away from the club due to it's lack of both a mature tall forward to partner Matthew Taberner and a versatile second ruck to give Sean Darcy support without the 207cm big man. The Gold Coast Suns made their intentions mid season that they would be open to moving their first round pick this season, currently pick five, if it allowed them to bring a mature tall forward to form an athletic and high marking combination with the twenty-one year old Ben King. It is understood that Fremantle is not satisfied with this high pick for Lobb alone, feeling his contribution to the team cannot be replaced with this selection in a year where coach Justin Longmuir needs to find consistency of performance to push his side into the finals and win himself a contract extension. The Fremantle Football department know all too well that to lose a forward would set them back even when all other options are fit and leaving the young Josh Treacy to shoulder the load is an unreasonable expectation for the now eighteen year old key forward. Current negotiations are centered on the exchange of Rory Lobb and Fremantle's first round pick in 2022 for Gold Coast's first round pick number five and their AFL concession pick currently number nineteen, which Fremantle believe is adequate compensation to grant the passage of the tall to the Suns. Although the Suns are not happy to part with such value they are facing pressure from the AFL to find success in 2022 and the tall forward will assist with that while also filling the temporary void left by the ACL injury to Jarrod Witts this season.

With both deals set to be finalised before the mid way point of the trade period the Dockers are poised to strike with a bounty of selections in hand to offer to clubs to lure their stars, by this time holding picks five, six, eight and nineteen but it is believed that the Dockers intend to take those picks to the draft and utilise an often overlooked list management option. The departure of Cerra and Lobb leaves a $1.4 million hole in the salary cap plans for Fremantle for the 2022 and 2023 seasons, with which the Dockers are assembling an offer of $2 million over two seasons for Richmond's homesick Shai Bolton in the Preseason Draft - believing no other club will be willing to pay the million dollar a season asking price. In a move destined to generate the already fierce rivalry between the Tigers and Fremantle the Dockers will secure Bolton without spending any of their draft capital and leaving them $400,000 in the black for 2022 and 2023 with which to retain young stars Caleb Serong and Hayden Young. It is understood that the AFL, although not happy with the arrangement, will not object to the Dockers extending Bolton's contract upon completing his move to Cockburn as long as the first year of the deal is not altered in renegotiation.

The Fremantle Dockers look set to replace their class midfielder without the use of their bounty of first round picks, with their firmly eyes on the promising local talls at the draft - if they can find a way to replace the marking power and ruck support of Lobb in the first round this season then 2022 could deliver what Fremantle supporters have been hoping since the 2014 season after their maiden Grand Final appearance - renewed hope in a group of young dedicated players behind their young coach attempting to write themselves into the list of immortals memories of all who wear the purple.
This doesn't make sense to me (it may be just me . . . ) but Freo won't accept pick 5 alone and want pick 19 this year for potentially pick 8-14 next year?? Why would you want to downgrade next years pick??
 

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theGav56

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Lobb is quite crucial to our current set up, but Collingwood Cox as a replacement isn’t that much different.

He is out of contract, on a good day is ok, just need to stroke his ego…. Actually just like Lobb.

If some team wants to pay overs for Lobb, great we can pay unders for another Cox and pocket the difference whilst our new KPF come up to speed!
I would rather draft a good KPF early, and Tyler Kytel late as a stop gap (or another short term/cheap solution).
 

CapitalA

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I really hope we tell Bolton stay for 2 years, and get him as a free agent. Can not afford to give up atop 20 pick for him.
I really hope we tell Bolton stay for 2 years, and get him as a free agent. Can not afford to give up atop 20 pick for him.
I think the plan is same as Martin to blues. Bolton enters the pre season draft with contract of 2 mill over 2 years, we are the only ones who can afford to pay it.
 

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This doesn't make sense to me (it may be just me . . . ) but Freo won't accept pick 5 alone and want pick 19 this year for potentially pick 8-14 next year?? Why would you want to downgrade next years pick??
It's a fake article written to get the supporters heartbeats racing. What will really happen is we'll lose Lobb for a pick in the 30s; we give up a future 3rd and Cerra for Bolton.

Bolton chills and Cerra becomes a star. Supporters will continue to spend the next few years on this thread seeking hope.
 

Dockeroo

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Oh my god.
There is people on this board who thought that article was actually really!!!?!
Bolton through the PSD… Lobb for picks 5 and 19… I mean, come on.
It’s seriously easily to see how some people can be conned in real life situations given the reaction to that fake article! 🙈😂
 

Dockeroo

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Lobb would be a salary dump if anything for a pick in the 50's. He's average at best and in our top 3 for salary.
Yep precedent suggests that alright.
we would probably have to take a discount on the pick we would get due to his inflated salary.
Unless Rory voluntarily takes a big pay cut at his new club but why on earth would he do that, given he’s got 2 more years here on big coin?
Same situation as James Aish coming to us for a third round pick equivalent.
 

Swiggy

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Oh my god.
There is people on this board who thought that article was actually really!!!?!
Bolton through the PSD… Lobb for picks 5 and 19… I mean, come on.
It’s seriously easily to see how some people can be conned in real life situations given the reaction to that fake article! 🙈😂
pick 5 & 19 but Freo give first round next year back. Club will have to pay overs for Lobb as he has 2 years left on his deal. Not sure about the Bolton stuff tho
 

eastfreo75

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Options for Fremantle:
1. Do a Port Power - Use free agency to get older players in at no draft/player trade. Then go to draft with picks
2. Older Cats Topping up - get older players in and just get better for the next year
3. Lions big target - get a big name like Neale and trade in established players
4. Melbourne draft and trade in needs - Trade in Langdon, May, Lever and Tomlinson for needs. Downgrade pick 8 to us and get Pickett and Rivers.
 

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Joao

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Neither Bolton nor Cerra will go through the PSD.

If Lobb goes it won't be to clear salary (unless we kept Cerra and got Bolton - then I don't know). We actually need him so it would be on our terms. I don't know where the club thinks it sits but I would guess first round territory.
 

blue shark

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Options for Fremantle:
1. Do a Port Power - Use free agency to get older players in at no draft/player trade. Then go to draft with picks
2. Older Cats Topping up - get older players in and just get better for the next year
3. Lions big target - get a big name like Neale and trade in established players
4. Melbourne draft and trade in needs - Trade in Langdon, May, Lever and Tomlinson for needs. Downgrade pick 8 to us and get Pickett and Rivers.
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None of those clubs have won the Flag yet though. Will have to wait till the end of the year
I think we have done okay in the rebuild except the 2018 year.
Hogan, Lobb, Sturt, Valente.
Then not drafting forwards, or even a trade for someone who could get on the park.
I like the Bulldogs approach, to win a flag in 2016, then rebuild and add slowly, getting better every year.
Treloar basically fell into their lap. Naughton turned into a forward, Bruce added for experience.
English needed help in the ruck, draft kids with heart and talent.
Beveridge thinks outside the square, loses both Boyd and Stringer.
We won’t fix all our ills in one draft/trade, but no one is buying in to the same Freo formula.
Off field it just feels like no plan/planning, decisions made on the run.
Do we want one year of finals? Or a team that won’t lie down and lay the foundations for the next 5 years?
 

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It's a fake article written to get the supporters heartbeats racing. What will really happen is we'll lose Lobb for a pick in the 30s; we give up a future 3rd and Cerra for Bolton.

Bolton chills and Cerra becomes a star. Supporters will continue to spend the next few years on this thread seeking hope.
You forgot that we’ll pick a gun in 30s…
 

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Freo Set for Bolstered Draft Bonanza
Taylor Black The West Australian
Fri, 30 July 2021 4:11PM

View attachment 1191358

Adam Cerra and James Aish at Training Credit: Kelsey Reid/The West Australian

In what is set to be a defining off season for the emerging Fremantle Dockers in which they are expected to need to find replacements for Adam Cerra and the wantaway Rory Lobb, a recent development has seen them pursuing an oft overlooked tactic for list management. Cerra and Lobb are both deciding between $700,000 each next season with Fremantle or offers elsewhere, it is understood that Cerra is destined to make his new home at Carlton on a four year deal worth $2.8 million with Lobb considering an off season move to Gold Coast to take up a lucrative, AFL enhanced, ambassador offer at the Suns to lead their young forward group and offer a backup for their depleted rucks.

Fremantle has indicated that both players are required for their 2022 campaign and discussions have yet to move beyond packages involving multiple first round picks. Cerra is expected to be exchanged along with Fremantle's current second round pick for Carlton's first round pick both this year and next, currently pick number six with expectations of an improved season next year pushing the 2022 pick into the early teens. Although Carlton are seeking to avoid their pick six being included in the exchange it is understood that Fremantle will not budge on this requirement as they have their sights set on the elite outside run and skills of Josh Sinn, of the Sandringham Dragons, who they don't believe will be available at their own first pick, currently pick eight.

View attachment 1191378

Injured pair Rory Lobb and Sean Darcy Credit: Paul Kane/Getty Images via AFL Photos

Rory Lobb being contracted for both 2022 and 2023 is poised to be the harder of the two to pry away from the club due to it's lack of both a mature tall forward to partner Matthew Taberner and a versatile second ruck to give Sean Darcy support without the 207cm big man. The Gold Coast Suns made their intentions mid season that they would be open to moving their first round pick this season, currently pick five, if it allowed them to bring a mature tall forward to form an athletic and high marking combination with the twenty-one year old Ben King. It is understood that Fremantle is not satisfied with this high pick for Lobb alone, feeling his contribution to the team cannot be replaced with this selection in a year where coach Justin Longmuir needs to find consistency of performance to push his side into the finals and win himself a contract extension. The Fremantle Football department know all too well that to lose a forward would set them back even when all other options are fit and leaving the young Josh Treacy to shoulder the load is an unreasonable expectation for the now eighteen year old key forward. Current negotiations are centered on the exchange of Rory Lobb and Fremantle's first round pick in 2022 for Gold Coast's first round pick number five and their AFL concession pick currently number nineteen, which Fremantle believe is adequate compensation to grant the passage of the tall to the Suns. Although the Suns are not happy to part with such value they are facing pressure from the AFL to find success in 2022 and the tall forward will assist with that while also filling the temporary void left by the ACL injury to Jarrod Witts this season.

With both deals set to be finalised before the mid way point of the trade period the Dockers are poised to strike with a bounty of selections in hand to offer to clubs to lure their stars, by this time holding picks five, six, eight and nineteen but it is believed that the Dockers intend to take those picks to the draft and utilise an often overlooked list management option. The departure of Cerra and Lobb leaves a $1.4 million hole in the salary cap plans for Fremantle for the 2022 and 2023 seasons, with which the Dockers are assembling an offer of $2 million over two seasons for Richmond's homesick Shai Bolton in the Preseason Draft - believing no other club will be willing to pay the million dollar a season asking price. In a move destined to generate the already fierce rivalry between the Tigers and Fremantle the Dockers will secure Bolton without spending any of their draft capital and leaving them $400,000 in the black for 2022 and 2023 with which to retain young stars Caleb Serong and Hayden Young. It is understood that the AFL, although not happy with the arrangement, will not object to the Dockers extending Bolton's contract upon completing his move to Cockburn as long as the first year of the deal is not altered in renegotiation.

The Fremantle Dockers look set to replace their class midfielder without the use of their bounty of first round picks, with their firmly eyes on the promising local talls at the draft - if they can find a way to replace the marking power and ruck support of Lobb in the first round this season then 2022 could deliver what Fremantle supporters have been hoping since the 2014 season after their maiden Grand Final appearance - renewed hope in a group of young dedicated players behind their young coach attempting to write themselves into the list of immortals memories of all who wear the purple.
Would've been more believable if NicNat was mentioned for no particular reason
 

eastfreo75

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Dogs have been gifted by Father and Son plus NGA. Impossible to copy.

Swans has so gifted by academy players. The AFL has made sure we can’t follow that.

Tigers top up after playing finals the previous year with Prestia, Caddy and Nankevis.
 

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You have to be kidding, 4 top picks this year at the expense of a future first? You take that and run. 4 top draft picks coming in together builds all types of bonds, especially 4 West Aussies.
 

freo1997

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We swap 1st rounders with GC.

Lobb and our 2nd rounder goes their way and they give us their future 1st and 3rd.

Freo gets: Suns 2021 1st, future 1st and 3rd.
Suns gets: Freos 1st, 2nd and Lobb.
 

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