List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Draft, Trade, Free Agency and Academy

[Tundrawolf]

From what I remember hearing, he played ruck in Round 2 against SF because Claremont were short of ruckmen but also plays as a key position defender, which looks like was his position in the 2020 Reserves Grand Final.

Got a vague impression of good bit of play by a ruck in the 2019 colts GF - but not sure if the bit of play I'm associating with is the same player.

Buller played as key forward in the 2017 colts grand final for Claremont as a bottom ager. He is a big lump of a lad and was an outstanding and highly rated junior.

Unfortunately he hasn't come on as many would have thought. I think his lack of pace and agility held him back. Nice kick for a big guy and a strong mark.

Needs to do more to progress beyond state level.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Acres and Aish (same age as Pearce) are also young enough. I reckon one at least will still be in the side. Push Henry to the HFF.

I am not sure where Henry plays his best football. Either Wing or HFF would work, but I don't think he is a forward pocket.

Age cut off was 26, but I did include Acres or Aish as I like Frederick and Henry on the wings, and did not want them in the forward line.

If either of them are the 22nd player pick in our team, then we are fine but ideally they would only be depth players.

 

[Joao]

I am not as bullish on JVR as some here. I don't see him as a top 10 talent. He needs more strings to his bow than being a mark and kick type of forward, although he does both very well.

I think Williams as a KF has way more upside, even Bazzo as a non KF has more upside, only my opinion of course.

I agree you need more than one method of finding the ball. I can't wait to see all these WA KPFs play this year.

 

[Swiggy]

We have to get Roberts or Johnson with our first pick, then Williams or Van Rooyen with our next.

would rather take Williams or Van Rooyen first atleast we know they will be there

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I say it every year but with the WA talent this year, I'd be chucking in that future first to see what we can get. Should come away with two picks inside 15 and change as well as our 2nd.

Johnson and Williams/JVR? Works for me

 

[blue shark]

would rather take Williams or Van Rooyen first atleast we know they will be there

Have to agree it’s dire, and if we leave it to chance another club will pounce.
Second round forward/midfielder.
It worked for Sydney with Warner.
Robertson, etc, plenty of quality mids taken later.

 

[apuchar]

I say it every year but with the WA talent this year, I'd be chucking in that future first to see what we can get. Should come away with two picks inside 15 and change as well as our 2nd.

Johnson and Williams/JVR? Works for me

Yeah. I was thinking the same thing yesterday. This might be the year to do it. The faster we get the new talent in the better.

 

[Scham]

Yeah. I was thinking the same thing yesterday. This might be the year to do it. The faster we get the new talent in the better.

I agree, mentioned it on the previous page. If we want to be ready for 2023 or 2024, we have to act now if we’re going to build via the draft.

 

[Joao]

I say it every year but with the WA talent this year, I'd be chucking in that future first to see what we can get. Should come away with two picks inside 15 and change as well as our 2nd.

Johnson and Williams/JVR? Works for me

There is gun WA talent every year. I think you can only justify that sort of thing if they slip a fair way or if we rate them higher than everyone else (ie Cartlon and Stocker).

We need patience. Throwing picks after Lobb and Hogan because we wanted them now is part of the reason we're not there yet.

 

[wayToGo_]

The importance of a quality spine is like a massive beacon that gets highlighted almost weekly and yet some Freo supporters are now saying "we need to prioritise a big bodied midfielder"?!? We just got pumped by a team missing a heap of talent (and without a big bodied midfielder) that stood up because it has really competent tall forwards.

Nah, lets hope some fall through to the 2nd round

 

[Scham]

The trouble is, we need both - quality forwards and a quality mid. If we can get one of each early in this years draft it’d be ideal. Fyfe, Mundy and Walters won’t be around in a few years so we need a replacement and if we’re getting him from the draft and want him to be ready when we should be challenging we need to get him this year or at the latest next. I like the sound of the highly rated mids (top 6 or so) this year that they’re goal kicking mids and genuine forward threats.

 

[Dayts]

Strongly agree on this one. All I’m on getting some local KPWs, pay up next years

 

[Superkoops]

Buller played as key forward in the 2017 colts grand final for Claremont as a bottom ager. He is a big lump of a lad and was an outstanding and highly rated junior.

Unfortunately he hasn't come on as many would have thought. I think his lack of pace and agility held him back. Nice kick for a big guy and a strong mark.

Needs to do more to progress beyond state level.

What about Oliver Eastland.

West Australian draft bolter could fill Crows' tall order

A 20-year-old WAFL big man emerges from obscurity to hit the draft radar

www.afl.com.au

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

There is gun WA talent every year. I think you can only justify that sort of thing if they slip a fair way or if we rate them higher than everyone else (ie Cartlon and Stocker).

We need patience. Throwing picks after Lobb and Hogan because we wanted them now is part of the reason we're not there yet.

Yeah there is, but not always in our likely range and meeting our needs, as should be the case this year.

Dont think Lobb and Hogan are the correct analogy, we are still going to the draft, we are just going to the draft a year earlier. I think a year earlier will fit with our existing list better

 

[Scham]

What about Oliver Eastland.

West Australian draft bolter could fill Crows' tall order

A 20-year-old WAFL big man emerges from obscurity to hit the draft radar

www.afl.com.au

I’m surprised he hasn’t been rookie listed before now. Haven’t seen him this year but if he’s improved then he’d definitely be a good get as he was alright before.

 

[wayToGo_]

The trouble is, we need both - quality forwards and a quality mid. If we can get one of each early in this years draft it’d be ideal. Fyfe, Mundy and Walters won’t be around in a few years so we need a replacement and if we’re getting him from the draft and want him to be ready when we should be challenging we need to get him this year or at the latest next. I like the sound of the highly rated mids this year that they’re goal kicking mids.

I'm not completely convinced we are that short on the mid front. Do any of the top teams have 4-5 A-grade mids on their lists? Perhaps the Dogs? Anyone else?

I think a few are overreacting because our midfield got pumped on the weekend alongside thinking we are too reliant on Fyfe and Mundy. But the fact we got pumped despite having both Fyfe and Mundy in the midfield should tell us something. That perhaps having a well oiled midfield is more important than the individual parts. A champion team instead of a team of champions. Darcy, Brayshaw, Cerra and Serong are all still young. At their best they are as good as any midfield imo but they are going to have ups and downs and deal with new challenges (like they did against Carlton). I think the learning curve this year has been invaluable for them already, and it will pay off later in the year and into next year - to the point where might see a similar ramp up in performance like Melbourne got with their developing midfield a few years back. I also strongly believe you can plug holes in the midfield via trade if you start with a talented core to build around.

However on the tall forward front the cupboard is bare. We have Tabs who is almost 28 and a 28yo Lobb who has hardly set the world on fire as our KPF options. When they are injured/gone everything rests solely on a 18yo KPF from the rookie list with 3 AFL games experience and no AFL goals to date. If we don't address that gapping hole this draft then we are not being serious about achieving sustained success into the future. I'd honestly take two KPFs this draft with our first two picks. Two chances at nailing a KPF is better than one and we have development capacity for two alongside Treacy. Ideally at least one of the two is versatile enough to play KPD and/or ruck.

There will be plenty of goal kicking mids next year. There are good mids every year. Unless Cerra leaves I'd be focussed solely on acquiring the best KPFs we can get.

 

[blue shark]

I'm not completely convinced we are that short on the mid front. Do any of the top teams have 4-5 A-grade mids on their lists? Perhaps the Dogs? Anyone else?

I think a few are overreacting because our midfield got pumped on the weekend alongside thinking we are too reliant on Fyfe and Mundy. But the fact we got pumped despite having both Fyfe and Mundy in the midfield should tell us something. That perhaps having a well oiled midfield is more important than the individual parts. A champion team instead of a team of champions. Darcy, Brayshaw, Cerra and Serong are all still young. At their best they are as good as any midfield imo but they are going to have ups and downs and deal with new challenges (like they did against Carlton). I think the learning curve this year has been invaluable for them already, and it will pay off later in the year and into next year - to the point where might see a similar ramp up in performance like Melbourne got with their developing midfield a few years back. I also strongly believe you can plug holes in the midfield via trade if you start with a talented core to build around.

However on the tall forward front the cupboard is bare. We have Tabs who is almost 28 and a 28yo Lobb who has hardly set the world on fire as our KPF options. When they are injured/gone everything rests solely on a 18yo KPF from the rookie list with 3 AFL games experience and no AFL goals to date. If we don't address that gapping hole this draft then we are not being serious about achieving sustained success into the future. I'd honestly take two KPFs this draft with our first two picks. Two chances at nailing a KPF is better than one and we have development capacity for two alongside Treacy. Ideally at least one of the two is versatile enough to play KPD and/or ruck.

There will be plenty of goal kicking mids next year. There are good mids every year. Unless Cerra leaves I'd be focussed solely on acquiring the best KPFs we can get.

Jlo doesn’t tag, or double team. Use Meek, Darcy against NN.
Meek would compete in contested ball after the ruck duel. That is where NN makes space for his mids.
Kelly 42 touches, Gaff 35, game over.
Those numbers are embarrassing

 

[Hazelsnuts]

What about Oliver Eastland.

West Australian draft bolter could fill Crows' tall order

A 20-year-old WAFL big man emerges from obscurity to hit the draft radar

www.afl.com.au

Like him and the ruck coach at Claremont Mitch Andrews rates him also.
Really like Kalin Lane also

 

[Hazelsnuts]

There is gun WA talent every year. I think you can only justify that sort of thing if they slip a fair way or if we rate them higher than everyone else (ie Cartlon and Stocker).

We need patience. Throwing picks after Lobb and Hogan because we wanted them now is part of the reason we're not there yet.

Stocker is mud, Hogan has more talent than all of our current forwards and McCarthy put together - he’s just a party boy, Lobb is a top up front runner.
Real issue was Ross ruled the roost and thought he could top up at the time by adding chess pieces instead of rebuilding the list.
This has set our club back another two drafts and crucial development time.
We go balls in this this draft and target local WA talent to rite the list and we will be way further advanced instead of stockpiling go home potential Vic Metros

 

[Ge3ks]

Hypothetical, where would someone like Patrick Cripps fit into Freos team. Purely as a mid? And how is his age profile? And would we give our #1 pick up for him and hope an 18yo long term development KPF falls to our 2nd?

The reason I ask about Cripps, is because Cal Twomey thinks it is curious he hasn't signed back on with the Blues yet. His manager told Cal it would be done in a few weeks. That was over a month ago.

 

[Ge3ks]

Another Cal Twomey supporter poll was would Freo and Geelong do a direct swap of Sean Darcy for Jordan Clark? Geelong fans said yes and Freo fans were not so keen. What would make the deal more attractive to Freo?

 

[Dayts]

Is Sam Taylor somebody the dockers should be taking a very good look at!?!

 

[Hazelsnuts]

Is Sam Taylor somebody the dockers should be taking a very good look at!?!

Good fit list wise, balls haven’t dropped, GWS will pay overs to keep him.
Interestingly, mates I know rate him - see him as a rich mans Hamling- has better kicking and game sense, Hammer is great in the contest and terrific spoiler of the ball.
Both great repeat effort defenders

 

[Purpleheart_56]

TALKING ABOUT OUR LIST IMO NOBODY IDENTIFIES WHAT IS REAL PROBLEM WHAT BROUGHT CLUBS LIST IN CURRENT SITUATION...

iF YOU HAVE LOOK OUR DRAFTS FROM 2011-2015 BELOW YOU WILL SEE ONLY 5 PLAYERS FROM THIS 5 DRAFTS ARE ON OUR LIST NOW...

THIS 5 DRAFT YEARS DELIVER 23-28 YEARS OLD PLAYERS THIS YEAR.THIS AGE BRACKET IS GROUP WHICH IS CARRYING AVERY TEAM...

UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE ONLY 5 PLAYERS IN THIS AGE BRACKET(TABS,AP,BLAKELY,HUGHES,TUCKER).TWO OF THEM PICKED AS RUCKIES...

THAT IS WHY OUR TEAM IS STRUGGLING BECAUSE WE DON' T HAVE ENOUGH PLAYERS FROM THOSE DRAFT YEARS...THROW IN HOGAN'S

HEROICS AND EVERYTHING BECOMES CLEAR...AND COULD WE PLEASE NOT BASH CURRENT LIST AND FOOTBALL MANAGERS BECAUSE THEY

DOING PRETTY GOOD JOB FROM WHAT WAS LEFT TO THEM AFTER OLD ESTABLISHMENT...




2011

Games played for Freo
National	16	Tommy Sheridan	81
National	20	Hayden Crozier	69
National - Priority	29	Alex Forster	1
National	58	Lachie Neale	135
National	71	Cam Sutcliffe	104
Rookie promotion	83	Nick Lower	22
Rookie	8	Lee Spurr	120
Rookie	26	Haiden Schloithe	0
Rookie	44	Sam Menegola	0
Rookie	61	Jordan Wilson-King	0
Rookie	75	Clancee Pearce	100
Pre-season	10	Zac Dawson	89

2012

Draft	Selection	Player	Games played for Freo
National	17	Josh Simpson	2
National	36	Tanner Smith	4
National	39	Max Duffy	3
Rookie promotion	78	Clancee Pearce	100
Rookie promotion	93	Lee Spurr	120
Rookie	11	Matt Taberner	87*
Rookie	25	Alex Howson	0
Rookie	46	Craig Moller	1
Pre-season	8	Jack Hannath	20
Pre-season	14	Jesse Crichton	18

2013

Draft	Selection	Player	Games played for Freo
National	17	Michael Apeness	12
National	37	Alex Pearce	53*
National	58	Brady Grey	21
Rookie promotion	70	Matt Taberner	62
Rookie	16	Michael Wood	0
Rookie	32	Tom Vandeleur	0
Rookie	47	Jacob Ballard	1

2014

Draft	Selection	Player	Games played for Freo
National	13	Lachie Weller	47
National	34	Connor Blakely	65*
National	54	Ed Langdon	68
National	68	Josh Deluca	4
Rookie	13	Ethan Hughes	67*
Rookie	31	Tanner Smith	4
Rookie - International	48	Sean Hurley	0

2015

Draft	Selection	Player	Games played for Freo
National	27	Darcy Tucker	78*
National	38	Harley Balic	4
National	55	Sam Collins	14
National	61	Shane Yarran	6
Rookie	16	Matthew Uebergang	0
Rookie	34	Ryan Nyhuis	17

 

[Hazelsnuts]

I'm not completely convinced we are that short on the mid front. Do any of the top teams have 4-5 A-grade mids on their lists? Perhaps the Dogs? Anyone else?

I think a few are overreacting because our midfield got pumped on the weekend alongside thinking we are too reliant on Fyfe and Mundy. But the fact we got pumped despite having both Fyfe and Mundy in the midfield should tell us something. That perhaps having a well oiled midfield is more important than the individual parts. A champion team instead of a team of champions. Darcy, Brayshaw, Cerra and Serong are all still young. At their best they are as good as any midfield imo but they are going to have ups and downs and deal with new challenges (like they did against Carlton). I think the learning curve this year has been invaluable for them already, and it will pay off later in the year and into next year - to the point where might see a similar ramp up in performance like Melbourne got with their developing midfield a few years back. I also strongly believe you can plug holes in the midfield via trade if you start with a talented core to build around.

However on the tall forward front the cupboard is bare. We have Tabs who is almost 28 and a 28yo Lobb who has hardly set the world on fire as our KPF options. When they are injured/gone everything rests solely on a 18yo KPF from the rookie list with 3 AFL games experience and no AFL goals to date. If we don't address that gapping hole this draft then we are not being serious about achieving sustained success into the future. I'd honestly take two KPFs this draft with our first two picks. Two chances at nailing a KPF is better than one and we have development capacity for two alongside Treacy. Ideally at least one of the two is versatile enough to play KPD and/or ruck.

There will be plenty of goal kicking mids next year. There are good mids every year. Unless Cerra leaves I'd be focussed solely on acquiring the best KPFs we can get.

If an elite WA midfielder was available early that would be a tough choice imo.
Personally like you have all said I want a KPF but a WA grown mid like Johnson would be near impossible to pass on.
All very much depends on where we finish and current list management - who may jump ship?