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[Stamos]

Not if he is offered 700K over 5 years, which Richmond will not give him. Norf will have a lot of salary cap space, like we used to.

What's the problem then?
We shouldn't be offering anything like that contract.

 

[azlou]

King's agenda is Norf and he will be hoping he ends up there.
Cerra: Been in the system for 3 years. Has played 68 games, is 21 y.o of age and ready to have a breakout year.
Alternative: Go to draft, select very promising youngster, waste 5 years on them and then realise they are no good because we failed to develop them.
King will be pushing for Cerra to go to Norf.
If Cerra is available then grab him, because he is as good as top 5 pick, or unless there is someone clearly better than him. Might have to pay overs for him, but quality mids are very hard to find.

I very much doubt there are any players in this draft that can kick like Cerra his 22 disposals have a greater impact than higher disposal getters.
The thought of him delivering to our forwards is very appealing you can build a game plane around effective disposals

 

[azlou]

We are stuck with Williams for 5 more years and McGovern for 2 more. McGovern has not worked out for us and is not the player we need.7 years in the AFL for 78 games. Getting older makes you more injury prone.

McGovern is exactly the player we need but unfortunately it’s looking like his body has let us and him down

 

[Stamos]

I very much doubt there are any players in this draft that can kick like Cerra his 22 disposals have a greater impact than higher disposal getters.
The thought of him delivering to our forwards is very appealing you can build a game plane around effective disposals

An average of 5.3 score involvements a game this year. Very slightly more than Newnes (5.1) and Gibbons (5.09).

 

[CarltonBlooz]

McGovern is exactly the player we need but unfortunately it’s looking like his body has let us and him down

Well known to be injury prone before we got him on the 5 year deal and big money, certainly set the standard when he showed up to training fat and had to go through Russel's "cage".

Irrespective of injuries, there's about a bajillion instances you could pull up of Mcgovern being extremely lazy or not interested. What you want from your star recruit.

While I like Cerra I’m not sure I’d give up our 1st pick this year (top 5). I really like the look of Sonsie this year

Id be okay with future 1st and SPS as an option.

Tough potential decision isn't it, if he was keen to come, I wouldn't at all be surprised if we gave Fremantle pick 5 for him. Cerra coming on board would be all but stamping the papers one of our other potential mids too.

I would say he'd go to Richmond, given their plethora of picks and being who they are, but you never know.

If we move him on via trade, the other club would need to agree to pick up his contract in full or they take on part and we would need to pay the balance (ie like Treloar at WBs)

lol no AFL team is going to take on Williams contract, horribly overpriced contract, we knew what we were getting, another expensive recruit on potential, again.

 

[DangerousD]

An average of 5.3 score involvements a game this year. Very slightly more than Newnes (5.1) and Gibbons (5.09).

From a bigger sample size and from a harder position to play, to a no name forward line. The other two are delivering to the Coleman leader.

 

[Original Moody Blue]

An average of 5.3 score involvements a game this year. Very slightly more than Newnes (5.1) and Gibbons (5.09).

We have the ball, the opposition has the ball, the ball is in dispute, the umpire is a moron.
Nothing has changed in 125 years..

 

[Stamos]

From a bigger sample size and from a harder position to play, to a no name forward line. The other two are delivering to the Coleman leader.

Cerra's played 10, Newnes 10 (at least one as sub), Gibbo 11. Our forwardline has been a one-man show.

 

[thylacine60]

Agree Arrow...
This is what I was eluding to, you have worded it better..

alluding - this is what I was alluding to..........fmd...........eluding is what carlton players do with reference to the football...........

 

[gab213]

I took it as him admitting to being deluded, go figure. Is deluding a word in much the same sense that dreaming is?

 

[TENACIOUS]

alluding - this is what I was alluding to..........fmd...........eluding is what carlton players do with reference to the football...........

Sorry...
You, Oxford Dictionary You...

 

[Gointocarlton]

Well known to be injury prone before we got him on the 5 year deal and big money, certainly set the standard when he showed up to training fat and had to go through Russel's "cage".

Irrespective of injuries, there's about a bajillion instances you could pull up of Mcgovern being extremely lazy or not interested. What you want from your star recruit.



Tough potential decision isn't it, if he was keen to come, I wouldn't at all be surprised if we gave Fremantle pick 5 for him. Cerra coming on board would be all but stamping the papers one of our other potential mids too.

I would say he'd go to Richmond, given their plethora of picks and being who they are, but you never know.



lol no AFL team is going to take on Williams contract, horribly overpriced contract, we knew what we were getting, another expensive recruit on potential, again.

Mate I was suggesting it, someone asked about his contract status and what would happen if we wanted to move him on. I was merely explaining it.

 

[Gointocarlton]

Could not see anyone paying him 800K a year. This is really looking like a bad decision from the club.

Me neither but that's what would have to happen if we wanted to move him on.

 

[Duece1995]

Devon Roberston would be handy in our side. Overlooked for Philp. Still early days but this is the kind of player that would be a great clubman and hard worker. He will be a 200 game player.

 

[RedFury]

Devon Roberston would be handy in our side. Overlooked for Philp. Still early days but this is the kind of player that would be a great clubman and hard worker. He will be a 200 game player.

Is it wrong that I'm so down on our development/management of players at the moment that I'm very slow to believe that some of these players would be looking the same under us?

 

[Arr0w]

Is it wrong that I'm so down on our development/management of players at the moment that I'm very slow to believe that some of these players would be looking the same under us?

I think it's a bit of both, player ID that could have been better and a lack of development especially with not having a dedicated VFL side

FWIW, I had Robertson at 8 in his draft year

 

[AT97]

Devon Roberston would be handy in our side. Overlooked for Philp. Still early days but this is the kind of player that would be a great clubman and hard worker. He will be a 200 game player.

Kemp 17 and Philip 20 in the draft..seems as if we bypassed Robertson For both. our guys may yet ‘surprise‘ and become players and great clubman as well.

 

[Arr0w]

Kemp 17 and Philip 20 in the draft..seems as if we bypassed Robertson For both. our guys may yet ‘surprise‘ and become players and great clubman as well.

Kemp will be a jet, we got a bargain there, but had others ahead of Philp, but does have a point of difference with his speed

 

[Jeremias]

Don't you dare say a bad word about him.

 

[AT97]

Kemp will be a jet, we got a bargain there, but had others ahead of Philp, but does have a point of difference with his speed

what I was trying to get at is, we don’t know how it will all turn out. And to only mention Philp when there was 5 spots between the 3 guys, was a little unfair. Robertson has outperformed both ours guys due to them overcoming injury and barely playing.

 

[Milshouse]

Wing is a major deficiency with us...

I'd like to see Docherty/ Martin/ Plowman & Ramsey, get a run on both wings..

We may start to get some defence and foot skills through our midfield...

Agreed, i thought we would play walsh mostly wing for a season or 2, as we have inside mids and 'no other wingmen' at this stage, i think thats unbalanced us, setters didnt work, nor gibbons, nor newnes, and doc looks lost atm, havnt noticed if the others like fish sps or martin have spent much time there, but the wings are a definate need, philp might be a good oprion in time but still very young

 

[Accidental genius]

alluding - this is what I was alluding to..........fmd...........eluding is what carlton players do with reference to the football...........

Think I got the spelling wrong for this word as well...
Anyway I’m not gonna loose any sleep over it though ....

 

[blue healer]

Think I got the spelling wrong for this word as well...
Anyway I’m not gonna loose any sleep over it though ....

Never admit stuff, make em search.

 

[Accidental genius]

Never admit stuff, make em search.

I was expecting thy to respond...lose not loose ..

 

[AB_Blue]

Discussions around Williams' contract always omit that we were banking cap space that needed to be used in a certain time frame. This isn't money that would have gone to another player.

Yer…but what would the talking heads do with that information….doesn’t fit the agenda


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