List Mgmt. 2021 List Management

[Christou2Kouta]

We're not so flush with quality small forwards that I'd be tossing Eddie aside if he and the coaches/medicos think he's got another decent year in him. Plenty said he should have gone end of last year, and he's been more than handy this season.

If Durdin was killing it in the ressies, maybe there's a stronger argument. But he looks like he could use some more time at that level - even if it's only half a season - before making his way into the seniors.

I'm liking Fisher being used on-ball later in games, as we've seen the last few weeks, and he could certainly increase his mid minutes depending on the makeup of the squad. SPS is in no mans land - not sure if he's a mid, a forward or sliding back into defense. Not even sure if he's on our list next year or if we float him for a trade. Owies had a good patch, hitting the wall a bit now though. Honey looked the goods on the weekend, but no guarantees he can sustain it consistently moving forward.

Call it three spots on-field being shared between Fisher, Honey, Owies, Betts and Durdin. Good to have the option to rotate based on form, and have coverage for injury.

Betts on the rookie list gives us some serious class when he's firing. And if he's not, or enough of the kids are showing more, then he's more than handy depth and some wonderful leadership in the ressies.

And with the mid season draft, we're not even committing to a full season if he falls off a cliff. He can retire mid-year and we can grab a kid or mature ager as we see fit.

Martin and Cuningham will also spend time in that small forward role. I think it would be wonderful if our youth developed to the point that we had the two Ed’s (Curnow and Betts) playing mentoring/leadership roles in the VFL. I think they’re both very obviously a positive influence on the rest of the list and you don’t discard characters like that lightly. The fact that Betts would just retain a rookie spot also works in his favour.


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[Stamos]

We're not so flush with quality small forwards that I'd be tossing Eddie aside if he and the coaches/medicos think he's got another decent year in him. Plenty said he should have gone end of last year, and he's been more than handy this season.

The coaches who are a good chance to be out of the club in 3 weeks time?

 

[TENACIOUS]

If the club signs Eddie on again to play next year then this shows that the very people involved in this decision have NFI what’s so ever, with the greatest respect to the little champ who has had a wonderful year personally we need to move on, let him start his off field role with the club...

If Eddie gets another year...
Means a kid (McDonald(R), Kennedy(R), Honey(R), Cottrell(R), Parks(R)) is more than likely going to get delisted,
just so Eddie can play 1 more year...

Before any re-signings we have to get rid of a minimum...

Rookie List x2 Rookie Draft + 2x MSD

Just makes no sense, Honey, Owies, Durdin, Fisher are all more than capable holding down the small forward position...
Plus it's 1 less position for a rookie KPP...

 

[bigm386]

If Betts does play on next year. That is all the reason you need to send Teague packing to Centrelink.

Surely Friday showed we HAVE to move past the old guard.

 

[Blue__Balls]

The coaches who are a good chance to be out of the club in 3 weeks time?

Nothing but guesswork at this point in time. There will be changes, of course, but no idea who or how extensive.

 

[Blue__Balls]

If Eddie gets another year...
Means a kid (McDonald(R), Kennedy(R), Honey(R), Cottrell(R), Parks(R)) is more than likely going to get delisted,
just so Eddie can play 1 more year... Seriously WTF, Austin & Teague...

Before any re-signings we have to get rid of a minimum...

The Main List x3 for national Draft, + x1 Rookie Upgrade (owies) + Any Trades

Rookie List x2 Rookie Draft + 2x MSD

Just makes no sense, Honey, Owies, Durdin, Fisher are all more than capable holding down the small forward position...
Plus it's 1 less position for a rookie KPP...

Don't need three for the national draft if we upgrade Owies, he'd count as one of the three compulsory changes,

2 ND picks
1 rookie upgrade
+ trades/free agents

Priority 1. Murph + Levi to retire.
Priority 2. Marchbank's spot should be given serious consideration - I wouldn't take issue with paying him out.
Priority 3. SPS + Setters I'd have on the trade table depending on who would come back the other way.
Priority 4. Boyd + Gibbons possible delistings, maybe a bit unlucky but neither are real difference makers.

I'd have Betts at 2.5 if there isn't much direct value to be gained by trading SPS and/or Setters.
Otherwise it's a toss up - Bett's experience and ability to impact vs. Boyd/Gibbons with some more time on their side but limited ceilings.

 

[thylacine60]

We're not so flush with quality small forwards that I'd be tossing Eddie aside if he and the coaches/medicos think he's got another decent year in him. Plenty said he should have gone end of last year, and he's been more than handy this season.

If Durdin was killing it in the ressies, maybe there's a stronger argument. But he looks like he could use some more time at that level - even if it's only half a season - before making his way into the seniors.

I'm liking Fisher being used on-ball later in games, as we've seen the last few weeks, and he could certainly increase his mid minutes depending on the makeup of the squad. SPS is in no mans land - not sure if he's a mid, a forward or sliding back into defense. Not even sure if he's on our list next year or if we float him for a trade. Owies had a good patch, hitting the wall a bit now though. Honey looked the goods on the weekend, but no guarantees he can sustain it consistently moving forward.

Call it three spots on-field being shared between Fisher, Honey, Owies, Betts and Durdin. Good to have the option to rotate based on form, and have coverage for injury.

Betts on the rookie list gives us some serious class when he's firing. And if he's not, or enough of the kids are showing more, then he's more than handy depth and some wonderful leadership in the ressies.

And with the mid season draft, we're not even committing to a full season if he falls off a cliff. He can retire mid-year and we can grab a kid or mature ager as we see fit.

Excellent post. How many goals get Eddie a pass next year? 25?

 

[thylacine60]

With the reported squeeze at Geelong and Guthrie not having re-signed, SPS a chance to go back to WA... does that lend credence to this possbility?
29 in august, can't recall him suffering many injuries in his time, 182 games since 2011, should have another solid 4-5yrs in him. Not against seeking him out.

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Yes please. But that ****ing Geelong curse!

 

[F_therest]

Interesting. I would not have offered him another contract despite overall having a more than serviceable year, especially with a big squeeze on list spots. But if he is happy to split his time between the VFL and AFL and predominantly conduct himself as a playing coach and mentor, then his value should easily outweigh his on field contribution.

Agree with this. I do hope though we give more opportunity to the young forwards and Eddie is more of an emergency.

I've read before how times have changed...with the soft cap restriction on coaches, this could essentially be a way to pay Eddie under the player salary cap instead but his role is to be a player and coach, not just a player.

With COVID restrictions, it's been harder for our young kids to develop and also harder to scout young talent...therefore we may take very few picks to the draft and feel comfortable there's a list space for Eddie.

He's been quite good this year overall.

 

[Stefchook]

I know it's a little harsh. But I'd be delisting Durdin. Hasn't shown much yet, and small forwards with mature bodies usually flash on to the scene quickly, if they're going to flash.

 

[Sector 7G]

I know it's a little harsh. But I'd be delisting Durdin. Hasn't shown much yet, and small forwards with mature bodies usually flash on to the scene quickly, if they're going to flash.

Has a contract for next year as all players in the main draft get 2 years minimum.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Eddie was bought back onto the list to mentor the youth and bridge the Koori gap within the club so that the players he passes loyalty onto then pass it on etc etc.
I think the club needs to be very careful about how we handle his time.
We will be enjoying happy contented players for years to come because of EB.

I don't want a mentor culture. Everyone wants a mentor instead of taking responsibility.
I don't want a happy contented culture but a ruthless, ambitious, competitive culture.
I don't care about the colour of your skin, your creed, your religion or sexual preferences - the jumper is the same- put it on & play

 

[SammaGilberto]

Yes please. But that ******* Geelong curse!

Fogarty albeit only young and in his first season at Carlton, has shown more than Smedts/Lang to be fair! in my opinion anyway, Guthrie the big bodied senior mid with runs on the board... hubba hubba.

 

[Christou2Kouta]

I know it's a little harsh. But I'd be delisting Durdin. Hasn't shown much yet, and small forwards with mature bodies usually flash on to the scene quickly, if they're going to flash.

Yeah, I definitely had hoped to see more from Durdin than he's shown in terms of ball winning and goal kicking this year so I can understand your concern. His pressure is amazing though and he clearly has a good attitude which makes me think he will continue to improve. I think it's too soon to discard him given that he only had an abbreviated preseason (drafted on the 9th of December) to begin with and then this year has been heavily disrupted. I would definitely give him one more year to see if he can improve his forward craft and find more of the footy.

 

[Ash24]

When Gov is fit to return, can we play him, Charlie, Harry and JSOS in the same forward line? Do we send Mitch into the backline as an intercepting 3rd tall? I guess that could also free up Stocker into the midfield.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

If Eddie gets another year...
Means a kid (McDonald(R), Kennedy(R), Honey(R), Cottrell(R), Parks(R)) is more than likely going to get delisted,
just so Eddie can play 1 more year...

Before any re-signings we have to get rid of a minimum...

The Main List x3 for national Draft, + x1 Rookie Upgrade (owies) + Any Trades

Rookie List x2 Rookie Draft + 2x MSD

Just makes no sense, Honey, Owies, Durdin, Fisher are all more than capable holding down the small forward position...
Plus it's 1 less position for a rookie KPP...

Even though our list has very little depth in the small/medium natural forwards department, I’d be respectfully cutting the cord and heading down another path, exploring others options whatever that may be...

Maybe the situation changes when the review is finished and changes are made...

 

[thylacine60]

Dow’s ability to grow/develop the last few weeks has been a great surprise, from only getting possessions at a stoppage, to being involved in a few actual chains of possession on the weekend and providing a forward option.

His kicking is so much better, the lack of impact in the second half in matches, is a clear area to turn his focus.

Very happy for him and hopefully it fills him with the confidence he needs.

100% - this bloke is only going to get better and I reckon that's the most obvious thing I've said since June 4, 2006.............

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

If he didn't cost too much, SC wise, would picking up Jack Billings

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Jack Billings

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

19.7

5star

K

11.7

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.3

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

4.6

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

be a cheap alternative to us if we don't get Cerra ?

Certainly wouldn't have to give up any picks for him, plus I reckon he needs a change of scenery.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

100% - this bloke is only going to get better and I reckon that's the most obvious thing I've said since June 4, 2006.............

I tipped Caleb Serong to win the Rising Star before almost anyone else last year....

But since then, I have gotten most things wrong lol

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

I’d be steering well clear of Billings, turned into an average conditional footballer imo, nowhere near the level he once played at seasons past and definitely not the player he was envisioned to be...

 

[thylacine60]

I’d be steering well clear of Billings, turned into an average conditional footballer imo, nowhere near the level he once payed seasons past and definitely not the player he was envisioned to be...

rocon & finey pretty much put the line through him - and finey is a psycho sainter...........

 

[juzz88]

Surely Kennedy gets upgraded to the main list again?

 

[footyfan1978]

I know it's a little harsh. But I'd be delisting Durdin.

AFL List Management Basics...
Draftees have a two year contract....

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

rocon & finey pretty much put the line through him - and finey is a psycho sainter...........

He is definitely a nutcase supporter, hadn’t heard that he’s put a line through him..
He’s game has not only plateaued but it’s gone backwards he’d be a serious waste of money and Pick for us...

 

[thylacine60]

yep - listened to a chunk of footyology yesterday and aside from rohan going on too long and finey's pathetic sourgraped take on caro's scoop, wasn't too bad