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Arr0w

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When you say it doesn’t need much what do you mean?
I’m not sure how much longer he can be persisted with if we’re going to continue to give up scores in bursts. He’s head coach, he needs to be a accountable
He needs to make the adjustments quickly.

He has altered some aspects, unfortunately, they are more attacking layers, rather than slower tempo/composure layers
 

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With Pitto and Cas both hobbling yesterday and TDK only just back, who is currently option 4? Liam Jones I suppose, silly to cut that fine.
 

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Private school boys?

Think you are going too early on these so called busts, things change very quickly
Most are some variation on the 'man boy' or 'boy man' (whatever) trope, private school or not. They might make decent enough players by the mid-late stages of their careers, coming off the bench, but I doubt they are the starting 18 types we need. The point is, we need to move on the players that are floundering to cement a spot in the side but could help get us something we do need. That's not all of them, but it is one or two.
 
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Arr0w

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Most are some variation on the 'man boy' or 'boy man' (whatever) trope, private school or not. They might make decent enough players by the mid-late stages of their careers, coming off the bench, but I doubt they are the starting 18 types we need. The point is, we need to move on the players that are floundering to cement a spot in the side but could help get us something we do need. That's not all of them, but it is one or two.
You don't move on players that are floundering, if their improvement is strong enough to contribute to best 26
 

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Nick Austin surely needs to be questioned. Zac Williams on 900k x 6 years. Not a midfielder. Fogarty is being found out. Can understand why he couldn’t get a game at the cats. Saad just a pass mark. Not worth pick 8.
Geez you don't mind going early do you?

Did you question SOS when he traded Smedts and Lang who both couldn't get a game at the Cats either?
 

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No disrespect intended, but would you be willing to give up effectively more than two top 10 picks for Cripps? Because that's what Cerra + 1st equates to. I think if you got Cerra in return for Cripps, you'd be ecstatic. His form has dropped immensely, and Cerra is a future A grader for sure
I’d be creative and trade SPS for Cerra on the grounds that we don’t match and get band 1

Cerra and 1st round compo for Cripps and SPS.

Only if Cripps wants to go and get two selections in the top 10.
 

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KPF/RUCK
  • Weideman (OOC)/ Riccardi (OOC)/ Brander (OOC)
  • McLean (OOC) - Swans
  • Marshall (OOC 2022) - Port Forward 38 games for 39 goals
  • Coleman-Jones (OOC) - Forward/Ruck, first game this weekend
  • Frampton (OOC 2022) - Adelaide Forward/Ruck
  • Schache (OOC 2022)- Only as last resort if there are no suitable KPP left
KPD
  • Ben McKay (OOC)
  • Sicily (OOC 2022) - Maybe cheap because coming off a knee, offers the mongrel we need and leadership
  • Lukosius (OOC 2022) - Worth a look elite by foot
RUCK
  • Flynn (OOC) - GWS
  • Lynch (OOC) - Collingwood
  • Darcy (OOC 2022) - Would prefer the others first

MIDFIELDER & FORWARD UPGRADES
  • Fogarty (OOC) - Adelaide. Only if Russell believes he can get him fit, big body, De Goey style Mid/ Forward, elite kick
  • Lipinski (OOC) - Bulldogs. Elite by foot Forward/ Mid (Upgrade)
  • Richards (OOC) - Bulldogs. Speedy, elite by foot Forward/ Mid (Upgrade)
  • Constable (OOC) - Geelong
  • West (OOC 2022) - Bulldogs inside mid F&S, could be an absolute steal
  • Cameron (OOC 2022) - Played 12 games for 13 goals
  • Sholl (OOC 2022) - Probably off limits with Adelaide now
Others that I hope we are looking at are-

KPD
  • Sam De Konning - Doubt Geelong let him go but could be a gun KPD/Ruck
  • Ben Mckay (Nth) - Harry's brother, getting better every week.. Doubt his gettable
RUCK
  • Callum Colman Jones (RICH) - Stuck behind a few in the pecking order at Richmond, athletic Ruck/ Forward
FORWARD
  • Jarrod Cameron (WCE) - Charlies brother, performed well in his AFL games, just behind so many small forwards at West Coast..
    Could be a gun small forward given the chance
  • Darcy Fogerty (ADE) - Would be worth bugger all.. Could be a good forward that attends the centre bounces Dusty style, also excellent kick..
    Needs fitness ASAP
  • Patric Lipinski (WBD) - Can't seem to crack Bulldogs midfield or forward line, super user of the ball
KPF
  • Jarron Brander (WCE) - Started career as a tall winger, would be hard to get as is getting game time, may want to come home to Vic
  • Jake Riccardi (GWS) - Would be a great 2nd forward/ Ruck to Mckay.. Would be hard to get rated highly by GWS
MIDFIELDERS
  • Rhylee West (WBD)- Could be the steal of trade week (Josh Kennedy (SYDNEY) style), looks to be a promising inside mid. May look for opportunities elsewhere.. But has a strong Father Son connection
  • Ed Richards (WBD)- Another Promising Mid/ Forward, may be gettable from the dogs with their bursting mids.. Had a broken leg
  • Adam Cerra (FRE) - Good young midfielder, Comes with a large price tag, Picks/ Money that I don't think we should pay
  • Josh Dunkley (WBD) - Super midfielder, Comes with a large price tag, Picks/ Money that I don't think we should pay
  • Zach Merrett (ESS) - Super Star Mid, Is a free agent. Comes with a large price tag, that I think we would pay
  • Tom Green (GWS) - Highly rated young mid, that seems to have stagnated at GWS, getting games though
WING
  • Fraser Rosman (MELB) - This kid could be a freak, super talented and x factor.. Not sure why he went late in the draft, maybe needs time
Wow, great couple of posts here. Is there a place you found OOC players by position, or was it just in general?

I think we personally need 2 KPDs (one to replace Marchy/Levi, the other for general depth), a KPF/ruck, a winger for a Newnes/Cottrell replacement, and an elite mid (because Cripps just isn't that anymore 😞 ). I've tried to sort some players out who I think we should look at, and are out of contract this year too:


KPD - McKay

KPF - Weideman, Riccardi,

Ruck - Flynn (gws), Coleman-Jones

KPF/ruck - McLean (syd), De Koning (gee)

Wing/Mid - Merrett, Kelly (gws), Green (gws), Cerra, Constable


It's still too early on in the year to be making exact mock trades, and we don't even know if Cripps/Harry will re-sign, but this is definitely a topic to keep coming back to.
 
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Wow, great couple of posts here. Is there a place you found OOC players by position, or was it just in general?

I think we personally need 2 KPDs (one to replace Marchy/Levi, the other for general depth), a KPF/ruck, a winger for a Newnes/Cottrell replacement, and an elite mid (because Cripps just isn't that anymore 😞 ). I've tried to sort some players out who I think we should look at, and are out of contract this year too:


KPD - McKay

KPF - Weideman, Riccardi,

Ruck - Flynn (gws), Coleman-Jones

KPF/ruck - McLean (syd), De Koning (gee)

Wing/Mid - Merrett, Kelly (gws), Green (gws), Cerra, Constable


It's still too early on in the year to be making exact mock trades, and we don't even know if Cripps/Harry will re-sign, but this is definitely a topic to keep coming back to.
Thanks Ash... Just looked up team lists on AFL.com and looked at OOC player lists..

Agree we desperately need a Forward/Ruck and KPD..
Id be going all out for
  • SDK - No brainer... Can and has played successful in Geelong 2's, playing the spine, KPF/ Ruck / KPD
  • Riccardi - KPF (swingman) who is comfortable at the level.. Went to VFL played down back, got 40 disposals and 19 marks
  • Weiderman - KPF (swingman) who is comfortable at the level..
Merrett and Kelly are a no for me.. Are too old and around Cripps's age..
Personally would prefer to build around McKay, Weitering, Walsh, TDK...
Green, Cerra, Constable are all in the prime age bracket..
 

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I think this heatmap illustrates the point.

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Carlton on the right.

We try to stretch the ground too much. Makes it too easy to pick holes in our defensive structures because players are so far apart.

Edit: wrong thread. Could a mod please move it. Thanks
I agree, been saying it for a while. Dogs essentially halved the field
 

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I think this heatmap illustrates the point.

View attachment 1123746

Carlton on the right.

We try to stretch the ground too much. Makes it too easy to pick holes in our defensive structures because players are so far apart.

Edit: wrong thread. Could a mod please move it. Thanks
Yep, our defensive press is horrible and all wrong, we guard dead space instead of pushing up higher and tighter over the entire ground giving ourselves a much better chance of not being opened up so easily..
 

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Concerned where we are at with our list management and payment structure, since SOS left..
On what we learn and on the face of it. Looks like it is getting/got out of control, we are recklessly spending in the pursuit of the 8, not a flag.

Reportedly (Bolded not signed yet, ** over paid for their output)
**Saad - $650-$750
**Williams - $800-$900
**Cripps - $800+
Harry - $800-$1m
Walsh - $800+
**Curnow - $700-$800
**McGovern - $700+
**Martin - $650-$700
Thats = $6,100,000 of a $13.1m cap on 8 players

+
Docherty - ?
Weitering - ?

That to me looks like we are up sh*t creek without a paddle. Half our cap is on 8 players and only two of them are worth it (Harry & Walsh)
Concerned that our premiership hope may be over before it even started.

To contend we are in desperate need of an elite KPF/Ruck, 2 x KPD and 2 X Elite midfielders

We may need to try get rid of Williams, Saad, McGovern and Cripps to afford what we need..
I do worry if we lose Cripps or McKay the club will take a massive hit members wise if we lose both they will burn the place down..

How do we get what we need in the apparent situation we are in?
 

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