Preview 2021 Mid Season Draft Discussion (June 2, 2021)

[Sleezy]

Couldn't find a thread for the 2021 mid season draft. Thought it would be good to have a dedicated resource to:
a) track which clubs have the list spots to take advantage and
b) speculate wildly

Tag me and I'll update the list below to help keep track.

Adelaide: 1 list spots - Gibbs Retired
Brisbane: 0 list spots
Carlton: 1 list spot
Collingwood: 2 list spots
Essendon: 1 list spot
Fremantle: 0 list spots
Geelong: 0 list spots
Gold Coast: 0 list spots
GWS: 0 list spots
Hawthorn: 1(3) list spots - Scully Retired - Patton, Sicily pending
Melbourne: 2 list spots
North: 1 list spot
Port: 1 list spot
Richmond: 1(2) list spots - Rhyan Mansell signed - Saldo Pending
St Kilda: 3(4) list spots - Patton pending
Sydney: 1 list spot
West Coast: 0 list spots
Bulldogs: 1 list spot - Lloyd Retired, McLean Pending

 

[Ambrosia]

There's a limit to how much is out of the cap

I know that. I’m just wondering if there’s a rule that prevents from being paid more than the top national draftees second year.

 

[kickthething]

Good luck to the AFL teams, trying to sort players from the 42 state league teams while also keeping an eye on the NAB league is not easy.

Won’t need to worry about NAB League for the next 4 weeks

 

[eth-dog]

I know that. I’m just wondering if there’s a rule that prevents from being paid more than the top national draftees second year.

Strictly speaking no.

 

[briztoon]

I know that. I’m just wondering if there’s a rule that prevents from being paid more than the top national draftees second year.

Nope.

They get to negotiate their contract for next season.

Worst they can do is a further one or two year base rookie contract.

They can still negotiate a higher contract and remain on the rookie list though.

The value of their contract equal to a rookie contract does not count against the TPP, so they could sign for $160k per, with $80k coming out of the soft cap, and $80k coming out of the hard cap (TPP).

 

[HELMET!]

I'm thinking we may not have any picks. Fairly sure one of either McNeil or Scott took the spot.

 

[THE_GUN]

Does Edwards even have a choice ?

I thought he was automatically available as a 19 year old that was registered in the draft in 2020

 

[eth-dog]

Does Edwards even have a choice ?

I thought he was automatically available as a 19 year old that was registered in the draft in 2020

You always have a choice.

 

[WilloTree]

WAFL mature agers post-R3

Luke Strnadica (EF) - Has been on a list before, was stuck deep in the ruck pecking order at Freo. Has flourished since Jon Griffin retired as EF's #1 ruck.
Sam Fisher (SD) - unsure how he'd do not being the #1 mid choice, but he's got great hands, decent run and carry, and can hit a target by foot
Cody Ninyette (SF) - needs to be given a chance. He's only 23, has kicked 12 goals in 3 weeks. All he does is create goalscoring opportunities. He's strong for his size, and could absolutely make a different at the highest level.
Josh Schoenfeld (EF) - you wouldn't believe he was a wingman at AFL level. Handy on the inside, good by foot
Greg Clark (S) - should have been drafted as junior, can play inside and win the footy, outside and deliver it well by foot
Noah Pegoraro (WP) - everyone has their favourites, this kid is mine. 194cm key defender, plays tall, good leap (can pinch hit in the ruck), reads the play well.

Others to look at: Bailey Rogers (C), Harrison Marsh (S), Jack Buller (C), Jonathon Marsh (EF), Jake Patmore (C), Matthew Parker (SF), Lachlan Martinis (C)

Players with talent who probably don't have the points of difference to get drafted: Jye Bolton (C), Tyler Keitel (WP), Haiden Schloithe (SF), Milan Murdock (EF)

Good work.

I've long held the opinion Jye Bolten is the best player not playing AFL. At 29 I don't think he gets a look in though.

Corey Gault's 28 so probably not a show, but I would add him to the list. He's been a very good WAFL player for a while.

Mason Shaw could be considered as well.

 

[Wild Bill]

You also need KPP's. I'm not saying Powell isn't looking good, I like him quite a bit. However I think Chapman was better suited to your needs.

Powell is good, just feel you needed to take a KPP with one of the two first round picks.

Ah, I was unaware of that. Fair enough then.

McDonald and Powell was the right move IMO.

 

[Sphynx]

Does Edwards even have a choice ?

I thought he was automatically available as a 19 year old that was registered in the draft in 2020

He can opt out of the MSD.

Not sure why you would do that when a Victorian club likely has the first two picks. He may end up interstate in the ND.

As has been said, he could potentially renegotiate a first round style draft contract at the end of the 6 months.

He also gets a 6 month head start in the strength and conditioning program.

I fully expect him to continue playing in the NAB League after he gets taken, just as some other Cat B rookies are.


The interesting one is Raak. The Dogs could conceivably get in his ear and give him guarantee's to exclude himself from the MSD. The same with McKay/Carlton.

The only spanner with Raak is, if he theoretically excluded himself from the MSD, got bid on in the first 20 picks, he could end up anywhere.

 

[Smythe]

anyone got a link (past the paywall) to today's herald sun top 50 nab league rankings, would be interesting to see

 

[giantroo]

anyone got a link (past the paywall) to today's herald sun top 50 nab league rankings, would be interesting to see

NAB LEAGUE SUPER RANKINGS AFTER ROUND 4
Rank -- Player -- Club -- Position -- Games -- 2021 avg KFC SuperCoach Points
1. Cody Raak (Jets) -- KEY DEF -- 3 games -- 163 points
2. Nick Daicos (Chargers) -- MID/FWD -- 3 games -- 162 points
3. Ned Long (Knights) -- KEY FWD -- 3 games -- 145 points
4. Samuel Banks (Tasmania) -- DEF -- 2 games -- 139 points
5. Joel Trudgeon (Knights) -- MID -- 3 games -- 139 points
6. Connor MacDonald (Stingrays) -- MID -- 3 games -- 138 points
7. Patrick Parnell (Bushrangers) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 132 points
8. Oliver Davis (Tasmania) -- MID -- 2 games -- 129 points
9. Ewan Macpherson (Knights) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 123 points
10. Noah Gribble (Falcons) -- FWD -- 3 games -- 123 points
11. Sam Conforti (Pioneers) -- MID -- 3 games -- 122 points
12. Joel Fitzgerald (Knights) -- MID -- 3 games -- 122 points
13. Joshua Rachele (Bushrangers) -- MID/FWD -- 2 games -- 122 points
14. Nick Hodgson (Rebels) -- MID -- 3 games -- 118 points
15. Toby Conway (Falcons) -- RUCK -- 3 games -- 117 points
16. Flynn Lakey (Cannons) -- MID -- 3 games -- 117 points
17. Tyler Sonsie (Ranges) -- MID/FWD -- 3 games -- 116 points
18. Jacob Edwards (Dragons) -- FWD -- 3 games -- 115 points
19. Josh Ward (Knights) -- MID -- 3 games -- 115 points
20. Oliver Sanders (Tasmania) -- FWD -- 2 games -- 113 points
21. Lachlan Riley (Dragons) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 111 points
22. Henry Brown (Chargers) -- MID -- 3 games -- 110 points
23. Fraser Marris (Rebels) -- FWD -- 3 games -- 109 points
24. Jack Evans (Pioneers) -- MID/FWD -- 3 games -- 108 points
25. Fraser Elliot (Chargers) -- MID -- 2 games -- 107 points
26. Chance Doultree (Power) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 105 points
27. Flynn Gentile (Cannons) -- MID -- 3 games -- 105 points
28. Hugh Hamilton (Pioneers) -- MID -- 3 games -- 105 points
29. Miller Bergman (Stingrays) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 103 points
30. Campbell Chesser (Dragons) -- DEF -- 2 games -- 103 points
31. Daniel Turner (Bushrangers) -- MID -- 3 games -- 103 points
32. Max Walton (Power) -- MID -- 3 games -- 103 points
33. Harrison White (Jets) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 103 points
34. Mac Andrew (Stingrays) -- RUCK/KEY FWD -- 3 games -- 102 points
35. Sam Clohesy (Cannons) -- MID -- 3 games -- 102 points
36. Samuel Foley (Tasmania) -- DEF -- 2 games -- 102 points
37. Darcy Gardner (Tasmania) -- MID -- 2 games -- 101 points
38. Ned Moyle (Chargers) -- MID -- 3 games -- 101 points
39. Giacomo Thomas (Cannons) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 101 points
40. Tom Brown (Bushrangers) -- FWD -- 3 games -- 100 points
41. Eren Soylemez (Dragons) -- FWD -- 3 games -- 100 points
42. Liam Conway (Jets) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 99 points
43. Marcus Herbert (Rebels) -- MID -- 3 games -- 99 points
44. Charlie McKay (Dragons) -- MID -- 3 games -- 99 points
45. Oscar Morrison (Falcons) -- KEY DEF -- 3 games -- 99 points
46. Mitchell Moschetti (Power) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 99 points
47. Josh Sinn (Dragons) -- MID -- 3 games -- 99 points
48. Paddy Cross (Power) -- MID -- 1 game -- 98 points
49. Liam Podhajski (Cannons) -- MID -- 3 games -- 98 points
50. Mitchell Knevitt (Falcons) -- MID -- 2 games -- 97 points

 

[Northernsoul74]

He can opt out of the MSD.

Not sure why you would do that when a Victorian club likely has the first two picks. He may end up interstate in the ND.

As has been said, he could potentially renegotiate a first round style draft contract at the end of the 6 months.

He also gets a 6 month head start in the strength and conditioning program.

I fully expect him to continue playing in the NAB League after he gets taken, just as some other Cat B rookies are.


The interesting one is Raak. The Dogs could conceivably get in his ear and give him guarantee's to exclude himself from the MSD. The same with McKay/Carlton.

The only spanner with Raak is, if he theoretically excluded himself from the MSD, got bid on in the first 20 picks, he could end up anywhere.

Yep we may have dropped the ball with Raak.

 

[Harry O]

Dylan Thomas Oakleigh training with Collingwood seniors today- likely to play vfl this weekend

 

[kickthething]

NAB LEAGUE SUPER RANKINGS AFTER ROUND 4
Rank -- Player -- Club -- Position -- Games -- 2021 avg KFC SuperCoach Points
1. Cody Raak (Jets) -- KEY DEF -- 3 games -- 163 points
2. Nick Daicos (Chargers) -- MID/FWD -- 3 games -- 162 points
3. Ned Long (Knights) -- KEY FWD -- 3 games -- 145 points
4. Samuel Banks (Tasmania) -- DEF -- 2 games -- 139 points
5. Joel Trudgeon (Knights) -- MID -- 3 games -- 139 points
6. Connor MacDonald (Stingrays) -- MID -- 3 games -- 138 points
7. Patrick Parnell (Bushrangers) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 132 points
8. Oliver Davis (Tasmania) -- MID -- 2 games -- 129 points
9. Ewan Macpherson (Knights) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 123 points
10. Noah Gribble (Falcons) -- FWD -- 3 games -- 123 points
11. Sam Conforti (Pioneers) -- MID -- 3 games -- 122 points
12. Joel Fitzgerald (Knights) -- MID -- 3 games -- 122 points
13. Joshua Rachele (Bushrangers) -- MID/FWD -- 2 games -- 122 points
14. Nick Hodgson (Rebels) -- MID -- 3 games -- 118 points
15. Toby Conway (Falcons) -- RUCK -- 3 games -- 117 points
16. Flynn Lakey (Cannons) -- MID -- 3 games -- 117 points
17. Tyler Sonsie (Ranges) -- MID/FWD -- 3 games -- 116 points
18. Jacob Edwards (Dragons) -- FWD -- 3 games -- 115 points
19. Josh Ward (Knights) -- MID -- 3 games -- 115 points
20. Oliver Sanders (Tasmania) -- FWD -- 2 games -- 113 points
21. Lachlan Riley (Dragons) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 111 points
22. Henry Brown (Chargers) -- MID -- 3 games -- 110 points
23. Fraser Marris (Rebels) -- FWD -- 3 games -- 109 points
24. Jack Evans (Pioneers) -- MID/FWD -- 3 games -- 108 points
25. Fraser Elliot (Chargers) -- MID -- 2 games -- 107 points
26. Chance Doultree (Power) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 105 points
27. Flynn Gentile (Cannons) -- MID -- 3 games -- 105 points
28. Hugh Hamilton (Pioneers) -- MID -- 3 games -- 105 points
29. Miller Bergman (Stingrays) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 103 points
30. Campbell Chesser (Dragons) -- DEF -- 2 games -- 103 points
31. Daniel Turner (Bushrangers) -- MID -- 3 games -- 103 points
32. Max Walton (Power) -- MID -- 3 games -- 103 points
33. Harrison White (Jets) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 103 points
34. Mac Andrew (Stingrays) -- RUCK/KEY FWD -- 3 games -- 102 points
35. Sam Clohesy (Cannons) -- MID -- 3 games -- 102 points
36. Samuel Foley (Tasmania) -- DEF -- 2 games -- 102 points
37. Darcy Gardner (Tasmania) -- MID -- 2 games -- 101 points
38. Ned Moyle (Chargers) -- MID -- 3 games -- 101 points
39. Giacomo Thomas (Cannons) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 101 points
40. Tom Brown (Bushrangers) -- FWD -- 3 games -- 100 points
41. Eren Soylemez (Dragons) -- FWD -- 3 games -- 100 points
42. Liam Conway (Jets) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 99 points
43. Marcus Herbert (Rebels) -- MID -- 3 games -- 99 points
44. Charlie McKay (Dragons) -- MID -- 3 games -- 99 points
45. Oscar Morrison (Falcons) -- KEY DEF -- 3 games -- 99 points
46. Mitchell Moschetti (Power) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 99 points
47. Josh Sinn (Dragons) -- MID -- 3 games -- 99 points
48. Paddy Cross (Power) -- MID -- 1 game -- 98 points
49. Liam Podhajski (Cannons) -- MID -- 3 games -- 98 points
50. Mitchell Knevitt (Falcons) -- MID -- 2 games -- 97 points

Spare me this ....supercoach points in Nab League...we are doomed.

 

[Boristown]

NAB LEAGUE SUPER RANKINGS AFTER ROUND 4
Rank -- Player -- Club -- Position -- Games -- 2021 avg KFC SuperCoach Points
1. Cody Raak (Jets) -- KEY DEF -- 3 games -- 163 points
2. Nick Daicos (Chargers) -- MID/FWD -- 3 games -- 162 points
3. Ned Long (Knights) -- KEY FWD -- 3 games -- 145 points
4. Samuel Banks (Tasmania) -- DEF -- 2 games -- 139 points
5. Joel Trudgeon (Knights) -- MID -- 3 games -- 139 points
6. Connor MacDonald (Stingrays) -- MID -- 3 games -- 138 points
7. Patrick Parnell (Bushrangers) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 132 points
8. Oliver Davis (Tasmania) -- MID -- 2 games -- 129 points
9. Ewan Macpherson (Knights) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 123 points
10. Noah Gribble (Falcons) -- FWD -- 3 games -- 123 points
11. Sam Conforti (Pioneers) -- MID -- 3 games -- 122 points
12. Joel Fitzgerald (Knights) -- MID -- 3 games -- 122 points
13. Joshua Rachele (Bushrangers) -- MID/FWD -- 2 games -- 122 points
14. Nick Hodgson (Rebels) -- MID -- 3 games -- 118 points
15. Toby Conway (Falcons) -- RUCK -- 3 games -- 117 points
16. Flynn Lakey (Cannons) -- MID -- 3 games -- 117 points
17. Tyler Sonsie (Ranges) -- MID/FWD -- 3 games -- 116 points
18. Jacob Edwards (Dragons) -- FWD -- 3 games -- 115 points
19. Josh Ward (Knights) -- MID -- 3 games -- 115 points
20. Oliver Sanders (Tasmania) -- FWD -- 2 games -- 113 points
21. Lachlan Riley (Dragons) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 111 points
22. Henry Brown (Chargers) -- MID -- 3 games -- 110 points
23. Fraser Marris (Rebels) -- FWD -- 3 games -- 109 points
24. Jack Evans (Pioneers) -- MID/FWD -- 3 games -- 108 points
25. Fraser Elliot (Chargers) -- MID -- 2 games -- 107 points
26. Chance Doultree (Power) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 105 points
27. Flynn Gentile (Cannons) -- MID -- 3 games -- 105 points
28. Hugh Hamilton (Pioneers) -- MID -- 3 games -- 105 points
29. Miller Bergman (Stingrays) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 103 points
30. Campbell Chesser (Dragons) -- DEF -- 2 games -- 103 points
31. Daniel Turner (Bushrangers) -- MID -- 3 games -- 103 points
32. Max Walton (Power) -- MID -- 3 games -- 103 points
33. Harrison White (Jets) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 103 points
34. Mac Andrew (Stingrays) -- RUCK/KEY FWD -- 3 games -- 102 points
35. Sam Clohesy (Cannons) -- MID -- 3 games -- 102 points
36. Samuel Foley (Tasmania) -- DEF -- 2 games -- 102 points
37. Darcy Gardner (Tasmania) -- MID -- 2 games -- 101 points
38. Ned Moyle (Chargers) -- MID -- 3 games -- 101 points
39. Giacomo Thomas (Cannons) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 101 points
40. Tom Brown (Bushrangers) -- FWD -- 3 games -- 100 points
41. Eren Soylemez (Dragons) -- FWD -- 3 games -- 100 points
42. Liam Conway (Jets) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 99 points
43. Marcus Herbert (Rebels) -- MID -- 3 games -- 99 points
44. Charlie McKay (Dragons) -- MID -- 3 games -- 99 points
45. Oscar Morrison (Falcons) -- KEY DEF -- 3 games -- 99 points
46. Mitchell Moschetti (Power) -- DEF -- 3 games -- 99 points
47. Josh Sinn (Dragons) -- MID -- 3 games -- 99 points
48. Paddy Cross (Power) -- MID -- 1 game -- 98 points
49. Liam Podhajski (Cannons) -- MID -- 3 games -- 98 points
50. Mitchell Knevitt (Falcons) -- MID -- 2 games -- 97 points

Why are points so inflated? An average of 163 points after 3 weeks is outrageous, are they calculated differently at NAB League level?

 

[Davo-27]

Spare me this ....supercoach points in Nab League...we are doomed.

Why are points so inflated? An average of 163 points after 3 weeks is outrageous, are they calculated differently at NAB League level?

yea it gives no indication if they are good enough or not, because unlike the AFL you have so many different quality players in u18's some are destined AFL players, some are destined to have careers in the VFL some will be Amateurs champions, some will have solid Amateurs careers, some will quit footy at 19, unlike the AFL where everyone is of a similar skill level and stats can be a useful indication of performance against the top tier peers, these stats can be super inflated depending on opponents.

 

[andleanback]

Why are points so inflated? An average of 163 points after 3 weeks is outrageous, are they calculated differently at NAB League level?

probably they are just calculating points from stats and adding them up when in afl games the points are weighted and scaled, isnt there a rule in supercoach where is only something like 3600 points a game. So if more people are playing well scores from stats are lower and if you get injured and sit out the 2nd half the point acquired go down.

Also Cody Raak playing for Footscray tonight against GWS