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loki04

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Pump the brakes let’s not confuse speculation with factual statements because this can’t be proven.
Date Posted: 17:52 24/11/21 Wed
Author: Annabelle
Author Host/IP: NoHost / 185.54.228.74
Subject: Wright on radio said that:

JDG's future is not totally dependent on the outcome of the court case if it goes ahead. Will know more when he speaks to him in person.

Thinks we are two years or so away from competing for top four where he wants us to be.

Expects four or more new players this year and four or five next year.

Implied it was disappointing we no longer have pick two.


Has not spoken at all with Jeff Browne.




Was going off that ^^
 

Rusty Beam

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Would it have changed anything? Wouldn't surprise if we rated Arlo above Taylor. Or it may have resulted in us getting Taylor and missing out on Arlo.
I guess it may have meant missing out on Arlo. Logically he would have probably been the next choice for Adelaide if Taylor was off this board.

I’m happy to back Murley in, but ultimately I’m just living in a fantasy land where we picked up Daicos, Taylor and Draper. And it looks very scenic.
 

Gabbo64

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What was the result of the pick we traded?

Pick 2.

We chose to trade that right to it. We gambled we wouldn't finish that low.

We wait 12 months and that's exactly what we say because that is the pick we hold, here we have pick 2 what's your best offer.

What a cop out! every draft Hine should trade out the first round because then he's never accountable for what draft pick it is because it's only a future first rounder not a pick we had access too but now dont. Unreal.

Just like if we won a flag he'd be getting pats on the back for trading it for pick 19. Equally shitting the bed deserves to be called out.
Me...My grandfather sold a mansion now worth $10mil for $20k in 1966
You..My grandfather sold a mansion worth $10mil for $20k .
I think I am right.
 

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Scodog10

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He said as much in an interview recently didn't he?
In that case I could be mistaken, and my apologies if that’s the case, but that definitely doesn’t sound like a GW comment. I’d expect that from a dial a quote like T Shaw not a pro like GW. I’m not exactly buying what you’re selling though on the basis of a random on EB&W…

One further point to all this I think these discussions are a gigantic waste of time, but not only that the hardline opinions are premature. For instance McMahon goes on to be J Kennedy in quality and the club look geniuses…
 

loki04

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It all comes down to ladder position and at the time I don't recall ANYONE here definitively stating we would finish 17th.

Lots of rewriting history going on here.
They didn't have to state it (a locked finish position) because they DID state they prefer to hold it incase we drop lower then predicted because we were trending down.
We then had flexibility to trade a known commodity.
 

Crazy Tails

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Is there any other teams?
Was hoping that we might have had a post night 2 draft video of Dekka up on the website already.

If for nothing else other than him detailing what the list spots are looking like and how many picks we might be taking in the PSD or rookie draft. Want to know whether or not it is worth tuning in for.
 

Mollythedolly

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Your the one changing facts mate.

They traded a unknown first round funny thing is AFL isn't a 1 horse race and the team the year before had already shown signs of drop off.
This unkown pick turned out to be pick 2. They traded pick 2 FACT. Indisputable.

Happy for you to keep your head stuck in the mud and pretend it was traded for something else.

At this stage I dont even really care but don't piss down people's backs and the tell them its raining.
Such a vivid imagination, you really should try your hand at kiddies fiction because it’s what you’re peddling. I’ll leave you to you thin grasp on reality and get back to life in the real world.
 

loki04

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Me...My grandfather sold a mansion now worth $10mil for $20k in 1966
You..My grandfather sold a mansion worth $10mil for $20k .
I think I am right.
No. Apples and oranges to this.

Its more akin to selling that house after being told the price is a good chance to rise in 12 months by 30% but could potentially break even if you sold now at a discounted rate in a down turn.
You then sell it for said discount and 12 months later the market proves true you just sold you 1 million dollar home for 700k.
Bet you wouldn't be proclaiming your house is worth 700k if you had a million dollar loan on it...
 

loki04

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Such a vivid imagination, you really should try your hand at kiddies fiction because it’s what you’re peddling. I’ll leave you to you thin grasp on reality and get back to life in the real world.
You need to put the crack pipe down nuffy, pick 2 is what we lost in that trade, if you and others think other then that you need to re learn basic math and what numbers are.
 
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Gabbo64

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No. Apples and oranges to this.

Its more akin to selling that house after being told the price is a good chance to rise in 12 months by 30% but could potentially break even if you sold now at a discounted rate in a down turn.
You then sell it for said discount and 12 months later the market proves true you just sold you 1 million dollar home for 700k.
Bet you wouldn't be proclaiming your house is worth 700k if you had a million dollar loan on it...
No, the future price (or pick number) has no relevance.
 

Herzog

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Dean, Schlensong, Hammelmann... mature players that have dominated at state level.

But they won’t be picked because they aren’t 18, haven’t been feted about by the footy media and only came second in the wheel barrow race at primary school

Meanwhile where would our list be without initially unfancied types in Cameron, Mihocek, Roughead?
Roughie and Mihocek yes. Cameron not so much.
 

loki04

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In that case I could be mistaken, and my apologies if that’s the case, but that definitely doesn’t sound like a GW comment. I’d expect that from a dial a quote like T Shaw not a pro like GW. I’m not exactly buying what you’re selling though on the basis of a random on EB&W…

One further point to all this I think these discussions are a gigantic waste of time, but not only that the hardline opinions are premature. For instance McMahon goes on to be J Kennedy in quality and the club look geniuses…
Yes I'm not as upset with it as I seem, more that people are deluded in thinking we didn't lose pick two in that deal.
That it was just a place holder of no relevance to us its mind boggling and I garauntee that if it was Carlton those same people would be shouting from the roof tops that they traded pick 2 for sweet fa.

Yes Poulter and/or McMahon could well make the best of a otherwise bad trade.
 

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loki04

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In that case I could be mistaken, and my apologies if that’s the case, but that definitely doesn’t sound like a GW comment. I’d expect that from a dial a quote like T Shaw not a pro like GW. I’m not exactly buying what you’re selling though on the basis of a random on EB&W…

One further point to all this I think these discussions are a gigantic waste of time, but not only that the hardline opinions are premature. For instance McMahon goes on to be J Kennedy in quality and the club look geniuses…
Anabelle is not a random on there, its akin to Jen2310 hearing it and posting it on here. iirc they know each other from being regulars at training.
She often has mail and titbits from club on there and is what I would regard a reliable poster.

Regardless i'd imagine the radio interview would be online somewhere.
 

Mollythedolly

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How are we going to replace fullback, find a quality full forward and intercepting defenders with only 1 1st rd pick a year? Wanting the rebuild to take 6-8 years?

Your dogged insistence on only seeking KPP from top 20 picks comes undone in several ways

- only 1 first rd pick a year to spend

- 1st rd KPP are regularly busts like Boyd, MCCartin, Patton, Schache, Brander (you claim), etc etc

- Collingwoods recent KPP success stories have 90% been late picks or recycled players like Dunn, Roughead, Mihocek, Cameron etc.

But your the self proclaimed ‘smart amongst us’ lol
We still have to wait and see who else we add but I’m more than happy to give those spec you talls on our list 2022 to stake a long term claim for a KPP spot. Then look to draft more options in 2022 and maybe chase a RFA like Barrass from WCE or the 2022 state league bolster.
 

Frankie23

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Was hoping that we might have had a post night 2 draft video of Dekka up on the website already.

If for nothing else other than him detailing what the list spots are looking like and how many picks we might be taking in the PSD or rookie draft. Want to know whether or not it is worth tuning in for.
How am I supposed to know if they're going to 'attack the program' or not without Dekka's video!?!?
 

Gabbo64

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I hear you want to sell your bitcoin valued at 0.08c 2010 for 0.06c a coin? sorry its a buyers market in a pandemic and future markets aren't relevant just the starting price and unknown value at the time.
Oh dear! Is that it?
Well, the answer.... I want to sell my bitcoin today for 13 Etheriums tomorrow. So I have sold 1 bitcoin for 13 future Etheriums. That is the deal. The future price is irrelevant.
 

sr36

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Lol what else is it then if not pick 2?

We are back to magic fairy beans like the Murphy trade. You guys love to spin sh*t into gold i tell ya.
The point for me is that it was a sh*t deal, regardless of whether you view it at the time as being worth an estimated future value of pick 10 or whether you view it as being worth what it came to be worth - pick 2.
 

loki04

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Oh dear! Is that it?
Well, the answer.... I want to sell my bitcoin today for 13 Etheriums tomorrow. So I have sold 1 bitcoin for 13 future Etheriums. That is the deal. The future price is irrelevant.
In an AFL trading sense it is completely relevant.

By trading we lost access to pick 2, its that simple anything else is just deflecting and arse covering.
All future trades are looked on after that draft is complete ours was pick 2.
 

Scodog10

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Anabelle is not a random on there, its akin to Jen2310 hearing it and posting it on here. iirc they know each other from being regulars at training.
She often has mail and titbits from club on there and is what I would regard a reliable poster.

Regardless i'd imagine the radio interview would be online somewhere.
Its EB&W so a random. Don’t you think you should find the interview if you’re being as absolute as you were?

My take without having heard it is he was asked if he would have preferred we still had pick 2 to which he said yeah of course. Anabelle twists it into implying he was disappointed and you twist it further into being peeved! Like I said maybe pump the breaks on it because if it was anything like you said everyone (media, fans, the industry etc) would have been talking about it.

Yes I'm not as upset with it as I seem, more that people are deluded in thinking we didn't lose pick two in that deal.
That it was just a place holder of no relevance to us its mind boggling and I garauntee that if it was Carlton those same people would be shouting from the roof tops that they traded pick 2 for sweet fa.

Yes Poulter and/or McMahon could well make the best of a otherwise bad trade.
I didn’t think came across upset so much as obstinate in arguing with Spinny. That’s a discussion where we’re all losers because despite respecting his passion I don’t respect his bias.

To explain why I think it’s an utter waste of time. If we don’t trade it Reef probably gets a bid at 15 so no Macrae, no Poulter, no McMahon and possibly no McReery. The best value we can get is trading it into the 2022 draft and if we hold it no way North don’t bid on Daicos at 1. It was a risk it’s looking like we lost on it, but there’s no value in continuing to discuss it.
 
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