List Mgmt. 2021 NAB National AFL Draft

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partypie

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Nov 26, 2013
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Relisted Isaac Chugg.
He has speed - let's see what another pre-season and some continuity with games at VFL level can do for him.

Club obviously sees something in him so I'm happy to go with that - hopefully Jen2310 can drag her eyes away from Reef, Nick and Pat for long enough when she is lurking at training to keep a bit of an eye on him for us over the pre-season and see how he is coming along.
 

Mollythedolly

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Oct 21, 2021
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Yes I'm not as upset with it as I seem, more that people are deluded in thinking we didn't lose pick two in that deal.
That it was just a place holder of no relevance to us its mind boggling and I garauntee that if it was Carlton those same people would be shouting from the roof tops that they traded pick 2 for sweet fa.

Yes Poulter and/or McMahon could well make the best of a otherwise bad trade.
WOW, now you’re reduced to throwing a lot of disparate sh*t into a blender to try and justify your position.

Firstly, nobody is denying we lost pick 2 in that deal. Hindsight confirms that. It just wasn’t that specific pick that was traded. Nor was it the pick it was broadly expected to be when traded. To suggest otherwise is just rewriting history.

Secondly, Wright indicating he’d prefer we still had the pick going into this years trade-draft period. Well FMD, there’s a shock, a list manager would love pick 2. Nothing in any of that suggests he’d have done anything any different if he was at the club prior to the 2020 trade-draft period.
 

Gone Critical

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Mar 11, 2007
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It all comes down to ladder position and at the time I don't recall ANYONE here definitively stating we would finish 17th.

Lots of rewriting history going on here.
No the real story and the one I was concerned with at the time was that it was very likely we would be in a better position and be able to get a better deal if we held onto the pick

Those concerns were realised. Ended up being one of the worst senarios it could have been. We would have been able to convert the 2021 1st into a good 1st rounder for 2022 as a minimum. When it turned into pick 2 we could have turned it into a high end 2022 1st
 

jonbe54

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Sep 18, 2009
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No the real story and the one I was concerned with at the time was that it was very likely we would be in a better position and be able to get a better deal if we held onto the pick

Those concerns were realised. Ended up being one of the worst senarios it could have been. We would have been able to convert the 2021 1st into a good 1st rounder for 2022 as a minimum. When it turned into pick 2 we could have turned it into a high end 2022 1st
I don't care about anyone's involvement if we had retained pick 2 north would have bid at pick 1.
 

swoop42

Premiership Player
Sep 29, 2014
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It might only be the rookie draft but North using the No.1 pick on a player already tied to the club with 2 years salary to come isn't exactly maximising the opportunity presented.
 

Mollythedolly

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Its EB&W so a random. Don’t you think you should find the interview if you’re being as absolute as you were?

My take without having heard it is he was asked if he would have preferred we still had pick 2 to which he said yeah of course. Anabelle twists it into implying he was disappointed and you twist it further into being peeved! Like I said maybe pump the breaks on it because if it was anything like you said everyone (media, fans, the industry etc) would have been talking about it.



I didn’t think came across upset so much as obstinate in arguing with Spinny. That’s a discussion where we’re all losers because despite respecting his passion I don’t respect his bias.

To explain why I think it’s an utter waste of time. If we don’t trade it Reef probably gets a bid at 15 so no Macrae, no Poulter, no McMahon and possibly no McReery. The best value we can get is trading it into the 2022 draft and if we hold it no way North don’t bid on Daicos at 1. It was a risk it’s looking like we lost on it, but there’s no value in continuing to discuss it.
Saw the interview. Wright said he’d love to still have pick 2. Nothing about it suggested he was peeved.
 

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Apex36

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I simply can't get my head around those that completely ignore pick 2 would have been swallowed by North bidding on Daicos.

The only explanation I can imagine is runaway anti-club bias.
Bit of a misnomer there. Yes it’s likely Norf would have bid, but the club would have been prepared for that outcome and traded pick 2 in to 2022, so the idea it would have been swallowed up is as likely as the idea we would have been able to use pick 2 and also get Daicos.

As for the anti club bias garbage, give it a rest. Every poster here wants what’s best for the club, even if their idea of what’s best is different to yours.
 

partypie

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Dib will have to prove himself next year for a chance at MSD. Its never over just because you dont get picked the first time around.
His big issue is that he needs to find a spot - he's not a top notch pressure small forward with a nose for goal, he's not a shut down small defender, nor is he a midfielder, probably more a slightly awkward mix of all three and his height doesn't help either.

Perhaps he gets onto an AFL list after another year or two of development at state league level, but otherwise I think he has all the attributes to carve out a very solid 15-year career in the VFL.
 

Jen2310

Brownlow Medallist
Aug 21, 2018
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His big issue is that he needs to find a spot - he's not a top notch pressure small forward with a nose for goal, he's not a shut down small defender, nor is he a midfielder, probably more a slightly awkward mix of all three and his height doesn't help either.

Perhaps he gets onto an AFL list after another year or two of development at state league level, but otherwise I think he has all the attributes to carve out a very solid 15-year career in the VFL.
Yeah, needs to nail down a spot, has played almost everywhere.
 

snagbreac

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Jack Madgen is now a depth player.
 

snagbreac

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His big issue is that he needs to find a spot - he's not a top notch pressure small forward with a nose for goal, he's not a shut down small defender, nor is he a midfielder, probably more a slightly awkward mix of all three and his height doesn't help either.

Perhaps he gets onto an AFL list after another year or two of development at state league level, but otherwise I think he has all the attributes to carve out a very solid 15-year career in the VFL.
His time may come but I'm glad we didn't jump on him the moment we saw potential. We're taking a conservative, safe path and not trying to do a speed rebuild.
 

Jen2310

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Aug 21, 2018
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Let’s for the sake of the argument value 45 47 48 and 49 identically. Two in two out nets to nil .




A future third in and out also more or less nets to nil.

That means we traded a future 4th for Draper?
pretty much especially when you consider what Brisbane's F3 would be... a pick in the 50's likely.
 

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