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Bears fans are forever living in 1985.
But the rivalry is still real in the fan bases. Its like the Carlton/Collingwood rivalry in the AFL just because its been onesided for generations doesnt make it any less bitter.

Both fanbases would be ok to go 2-15 in a season if those 2 wins were against the other side of this rivalry

Speaks to the idiocy of the fans.

Rivalries dont exist anymore in general.
 

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If Pittsburgh beat the Vikings on Thursday, the SNF game between the Packers and Bears becomes a T-shirt and hat game for the Packers
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Speaks to the idiocy of the fans.

Rivalries dont exist anymore in general.
Disagree entirely.
Rivalries are what makes sports and competing awesome
 
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Disagree entirely.
Rivalries are what makes sports and competing awesome

Name me a proper rivalry on field in AFL or NFL nowadays? I cant think of one. Everyone is far too PC towards each other these days. It makes me sick.

Fans are idiots. A rivalry is generated by the current players, not what happened in another life time. The Bears are the Packers punching bag and an easy win, until that changes its not a rivalry at all.
 
Rivalries can be based purely on regional locality, or historical significance, not just the two teams always splitting games 1-1.

Dont have to split, the Packers and Bears games aren't even competitive tho, something you need at least in any rivalry.
 
NFL should allow teams to challenge obvious PI calls called in error or not called in error. The Raiders were robbed vs WFT and it was clearly a tug of the jersey as you can see on the replay, and most could see it live watching as well.

NFL should set rules on what exactly OPI and DPI are and then apply those rules to the flag. If missed or called in error the call should be able to be overturned. It's like VAR in soccer, they eventually got it to get rid of the howlers but NFL still not at that level.
 
Chiefs Raiders was a heated rivalry on-field for so long, but the Chiefs had the wood on them for more than a couple decades. Everytime they played during that period, the Raiders had a distaste to losing to them again, and the Chiefs wanted to ensure the distaste continued. It was a heated rivalry on-field even when the Chiefs kept dominating them. Same for a lot of those old-time rivalries like Packers-Bears. Heated on field, hard hits, late hits, angry words, pushing and shoving. But...those days are mostly gone. You can't expect rivalries to be punch-ons or else they aren't really playing hard.

Two long-time division rivalries today showed how tough and crazy the games usually are between them, always a play here or there that decides a game, down to the wire....Niners-Seahawks, Ravens-Steelers. They always play close. Vikings-Packers too even when one team isn't doing rest of the season. They lift for those rivalry games. Can't say Ravens-Steelers has been anything but a pure sheer rivalry the whole way thru, never been dull or lopsided. There's you example you're looking for. Seahawks-Rams and Niners-Rams are always the same. Games full of crazy plays, high tension, hard hits, and results going one way or the other.

Steelers-Browns is another great example of even tho one team dominates, both teams always go at it hammer and tong against each other. Browns like the Raiders to the Steelers like the Chiefs. Each loss egging on more resolve by the loser to stop the rot, and the winner to keep on torturing them, not letting playing 50% and dropping a game, always trying to play to their best.

And the entire NFCE is always incredibly hard against each other, results going one way or the other. Lifting for those games.

Still some out of division rivalries that are going strong .... Ravens-Titans (bad blood included). Raiders-Steelers. Packers-Cowboys.

I'm a bit surprised you'd say there are no hard feelings. All those games with all the match-ups mentioned above still have hard hits, tensions, pushing and shoving.
 
Name me a proper rivalry on field in AFL or NFL nowadays? I cant think of one. Everyone is far too PC towards each other these days. It makes me sick.

Fans are idiots. A rivalry is generated by the current players, not what happened in another life time. The Bears are the Packers punching bag and an easy win, until that changes its not a rivalry at all.
You don’t think players of clubs cherish the wins of a historical foe in front of a sold out MCG than at Ballarat/Launceston against a new franchise in front of 12000 people ?
I remember Gerard Whateley thought the Carlton v Richmond season opener should be scrapped because the Tiges were struggling seemingly perennially about 10 years ago.
How did that work out ?
 
NFL should allow teams to challenge obvious PI calls called in error or not called in error. The Raiders were robbed vs WFT and it was clearly a tug of the jersey as you can see on the replay, and most could see it live watching as well.

NFL should set rules on what exactly OPI and DPI are and then apply those rules to the flag. If missed or called in error the call should be able to be overturned. It's like VAR in soccer, they eventually got it to get rid of the howlers but NFL still not at that level.
It would've been a soft DPI tho. When he grabbed the jersey he didn't really impede Jones' momentum, didnt see an obvious r*tarding of his motion. It's like Offensive holding. When you see a player freeing from a block and then the OLman holding, you see the r*tardation of the defenders movement. Egregious, and therefore flag thrown. DPI is pretty similar. They always allow a bit of hand fighting and tussling, as long as a player's movement/direction isn't r*tarded by the grab.

The Washington player held on to jersey, but didn't tug and restrict him, so it was ok.

Sure, there are games where the refs throw flags on soft ones like that. But in all honesty that was a perfect non-call. The WR wasnt r*tarded by the jersey grab, it was like keeping his hands on him to stay in contact with him, but both players still running unrestricted alongside each other.
 
You don’t think players of clubs cherish the wins of a historical foe in front of a sold out MCG than at Ballarat/Launceston against a new franchise in front of 12000 people ?
I remember Gerard Whateley thought the Carlton v Richmond season opener should be scrapped because the Tiges were struggling seemingly perennially about 10 years ago.
How did that work out ?

How does Richmond coming good make it a rivalry?

Also, just cause clubs have a lot of fans doesn't make it a rivalry. Nuffies will turn up to anything in round 1, new year, new hope, even though that isn't true the vasty majority of the time. Let me know the crowd figures compared to round 1 when Carlton have been 5-12 or something like that later in the year when playing Richmond.
 
Chiefs Raiders was a heated rivalry on-field for so long, but the Chiefs had the wood on them for more than a couple decades. Everytime they played during that period, the Raiders had a distaste to losing to them again, and the Chiefs wanted to ensure the distaste continued. It was a heated rivalry on-field even when the Chiefs kept dominating them. Same for a lot of those old-time rivalries like Packers-Bears. Heated on field, hard hits, late hits, angry words, pushing and shoving. But...those days are mostly gone. You can't expect rivalries to be punch-ons or else they aren't really playing hard.

Two long-time division rivalries today showed how tough and crazy the games usually are between them, always a play here or there that decides a game, down to the wire....Niners-Seahawks, Ravens-Steelers. They always play close. Vikings-Packers too even when one team isn't doing rest of the season. They lift for those rivalry games. Can't say Ravens-Steelers has been anything but a pure sheer rivalry the whole way thru, never been dull or lopsided. There's you example you're looking for. Seahawks-Rams and Niners-Rams are always the same. Games full of crazy plays, high tension, hard hits, and results going one way or the other.

Steelers-Browns is another great example of even tho one team dominates, both teams always go at it hammer and tong against each other. Browns like the Raiders to the Steelers like the Chiefs. Each loss egging on more resolve by the loser to stop the rot, and the winner to keep on torturing them, not letting playing 50% and dropping a game, always trying to play to their best.

And the entire NFCE is always incredibly hard against each other, results going one way or the other. Lifting for those games.

Still some out of division rivalries that are going strong .... Ravens-Titans (bad blood included). Raiders-Steelers. Packers-Cowboys.

I'm a bit surprised you'd say there are no hard feelings. All those games with all the match-ups mentioned above still have hard hits, tensions, pushing and shoving.

Ok, ill concede on the Ravens / Titans, probably the closest thing to a rivalry today. Lot of s**t talking and banter between the two teams.
 

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How does Richmond coming good make it a rivalry?

Also, just cause clubs have a lot of fans doesn't make it a rivalry. Nuffies will turn up to anything in round 1, new year, new hope, even though that isn't true the vasty majority of the time. Let me know the crowd figures compared to round 1 when Carlton have been 5-12 or something like that later in the year when playing Richmond.

2/15 with any luck
 
Ok, ill concede on the Ravens / Titans, probably the closest thing to a rivalry today. Lot of sh*t talking and banter between the two teams.
Players post-game hugging and shaking hands, or standing and having a friendly smiling chat with an opposition player they know well from playing together with before, or have a friendship outside football.....that's just post-game sportsmanship. But between opening kick-off and last whistle, all division games every year are full of spite, hard hits, late hits, banter and words, pushing and shoving. Im shocked you would say there hasnt been. So many games every week, even games between non-rivals, there's a moment when two players get under each others skin, all the trash-talking between them, boils over at some point, or there's an incident, a cheap shot, pushing/shoving, and then suddenly rest of the game lifts several gears.

Even WFT/Raiders today...how many times did Crosby do a few cheap shots on Heinicke and the WFT OLmen fighting him. And then ensuing plays you see Heinicke all aggro, scrambling around like a madman, making an incredible off-balance throw, or run for a first down, and then he slams the ball and flexes and roars, an aggro first down signal to the crowd. All those aggro sack celebrations and first down signal celebrations often full of spite.

If you watch NFL Mic'd up, you'd be surprised how much trash talking and aggro there is every play, especially between OL and DL. Watch a broadcast game, and you'd think they aren't aggro with each other. But then watch the mic'd up version of a game, and suddenly you hear all the hard hits, and all the aggro talk, and pushing post play.
 
Also, how many times you still see players from the same team yelling at each other, helmets thrown on sideline, or coach and player having a war of words.

Lamar today. Daniel Jones and Ken Golladay, etc etc.

October mic'd up (40 mins).



Im talking rivalries between two teams, not hissy fits at your own performance and failures on the sideline.
 
Pathetic actually. Massive yawn.
You said a minute ago....concede, ravens/titans is a rivalry ... because ... bad blood and banter.
So you're making it about tensions and fights and words between players, and you started the whole chat off by saying your sick of all the PC goody vibes between opposing players these days.
So you're making it about that, not just teams splitting games 1-1.
That week 12 video shows every game is full of spite, tensions, hard hits, late hits, etc....and teams hell-bent on winning even more on every play due to rising tensions, and what about all the salty acts when a team knows they're gonna lose and hate it, seahawks/metcalf vs packers for instance. Or Raiders-Cowboys, or Falcons-Cowboys when the loser got so salty, and the winner unduly taunting and rubbing the salt in.
 

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