NFL 2021 NFL - Week 13

[Exe Gesis]

week 10

 

[Exe Gesis]

etc

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

You said a minute ago....concede, ravens/titans is a rivalry ... because ... bad blood and banter.
So you're making it about tensions and fights and words between players, and you started the whole chat off by saying your sick of all the PC goody vibes between opposing players these days.
So you're making it about that, not just teams splitting games 1-1.
That week 12 video shows every game is full of spite, tensions, hard hits, late hits, etc....and teams hell-bent on winning even more on every play due to rising tensions, and what about all the salty acts when a team knows they're gonna lose and hate it, seahawks/metcalf vs packers for instance. Or Raiders-Cowboys, or Falcons-Cowboys when the loser got so salty, and the winner unduly taunting and rubbing the salt in.

one off incidents dont make a rivalry. That is just competitive juices unless they happen between two sides regularly.

Stop putting words in my mouth. There is a difference. Titans and Ravens, s**t talked each other pre game/had to be separated last year IIRC, they back it up on the field and after the game also.

 

[Exe Gesis]

one off incidents dont make a rivalry. That is just competitive juices unless they happen between two sides regularly.

Stop putting words in my mouth. There is a difference. Titans and Ravens, sh*t talked each other pre game/had to be separated last year IIRC, they back it up on the field and after the game also.

You said you miss the old days (where there was more). The old days also had a lot of post-game sportsmanship between heated rivals. That's the nature of a true fight/rivalry...you pound each other during the game, and you shake hands win/lose after the game. Those kinds of pre-game and/or post-game heated words and fighting are the exception not the rule. Those are extra-ordinary times. In the old days and the current days.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

You said you miss the old days (where there was more). The old days also had a lot of post-game sportsmanship between heated rivals. That's the nature of a true fight/rivalry...you pound each other during the game, and you shake hands win/lose after the game. Those kinds of pre-game and/or post-game heated words and fighting are the exception not the rule. Those are extra-ordinary times. In the old days and the current days.

The old days they'd beat each other far harder than they do today so just stop it.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

No doubt a lot of that has to do with rule changes, but bad blood isn't what it used to be, Across all sports. Im surprised a person of your age cant see that GG.

 

[kaiserchief13]

It would've been a soft DPI tho. When he grabbed the jersey he didn't really impede Jones' momentum, didnt see an obvious r*tarding of his motion. It's like Offensive holding. When you see a player freeing from a block and then the OLman holding, you see the r*tardation of the defenders movement. Egregious, and therefore flag thrown. DPI is pretty similar. They always allow a bit of hand fighting and tussling, as long as a player's movement/direction isn't r*tarded by the grab.

The Washington player held on to jersey, but didn't tug and restrict him, so it was ok.

Sure, there are games where the refs throw flags on soft ones like that. But in all honesty that was a perfect non-call. The WR wasnt r*tarded by the jersey grab, it was like keeping his hands on him to stay in contact with him, but both players still running unrestricted alongside each other.

They shouldn't though. They need to have rules that are always the same so that bad/favourable toward one team decisions don't come into it.

 

[Exe Gesis]

The old days they'd beat each other far harder than they do today so just stop it.

That's obvious, we all know that. In all sports, the old days were more fights and cheap shots.
The game has changed in all sports. AFL, NRL, NFL. We know. Money, career as pro athlete, concussions and player safety, players union.
But to say there aren't rivalries anymore is incorrect. Rivalries aren't like they used to be, sure, but the rivalries are still there within the rules and confines of the modern game.
You're pining for the old days...i get it...us who remember the old NFL (or AFL/VFL for you) we pine, not just the big hits but the way the game was more balanced between offense and defense, not all those so soft rules protecting QBs and touchy flags.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

A perfect example of this is what the Pistons used to do to Jordan, smash him whenever he came down the lane. Nowadays players are scared of getting posterised so just happily let players dunk without even challenging them at the hoop.

Football is a bit different, but the professional hard penalty or foul to send a message just doesn't occur much any more.

 

[Exe Gesis]

They shouldn't though. They need to have rules that are always the same so that bad/favourable toward one team decisions don't come into it.

No one would disagree with that.
This is the problem with the NFL....officiating is so inconsistent. Soft calls called by some crews in some games, and then other crews in other games let those go. There's no consistency. Also things like taunting, or roughing the passer. We see every week some guys get away with taunting or roughing badly, while others get punished for nothing and get fined too.

 

[Exe Gesis]

A perfect example of this is what the Pistons used to do to Jordan, smash him whenever he came down the lane. Nowadays players are scared of getting posterised so just happily let players dunk without even challenging them at the hoop.

Football is a bit different, but the professional hard penalty or foul to send a message just doesn't occur much any more.

The rules have drastically altered the NFL in that regard. Especially the defenseless receiver penalty. Thats what made the game in the past. If you dared run routes across the middle or try to pass into the middle. Like a do it at your own peril territory on the field. There are still some big hits over the middle today, but that whole dynamic of the past is gone now. The middle is the softest place on the field to throw the ball now. Hard hitting safeties like John Lynch, etc, are a thing of the past. Even those Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher 250 pound type of LBs phased out. The game is more like Basketball now, with more emphasis on checking and stuff.

 

[samFFC]

Doesn't Kansas if Buffalo win?

We have the H2H?

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Browns catch a break—last week ends up meaning nothing

There's always next week

 

[aussiedude]

There's always next week

Now im waiting for AC to see this and say its the Browns mentality to be weak and wait for the table scraps. They are a team of tomorrow, but its There is always a tomorrow and tomorrow never comes because its always today.

 

[AmericanCrow]

Now im waiting for AC to see this and say its the Browns mentality to be weak and wait for the table scraps. They are a team of tomorrow, but its There is always a tomorrow and tomorrow never comes because its always today.

It is allllll right there for them now. A win against the Ratbirds, while leaving them a game back would do the following:

Ratbirds sink to 3 divisional losses
Bungles travel to Cleveland
Puke plays Cleveland Jan 3

Browns beating Bungles and Pittspuke have them go 4-2 in division with a sweep of Bungles and assure Pittspuke of 3 divisional losses

Would need just 1 additional Ratbird loss to claim division (GB, LAR, Bungles, Squeelers)

No excuses left for the analytics gang that can’t coach or draft straight

Put up or shut up

 

[Exe Gesis]

Washington coach Ron Rivera said an MRI test did not confirm that Logan Thomas suffered a torn ACL in Week 13.
Thomas was believed to have suffered a torn MCL and ACL but it now looks like he escaped with a lesser injury. Rivera noted that Thomas will undergo further testing but it's now possible that he plays again this year. Thomas's timeline for returning is now up in the air. Rick Seals-Jones is his backup but a hip issue kept him from playing in Week 14. John Bates is the next man up after Seals-Jones.
SOURCE: John Keim on Twitter
Dec 6, 2021, 2:39 PM ET

 

[Brasher]

NFL wasnt flexing Bears/Packers its a massive draw for TV and biggest rivalry in the league.
Its also why they opened the season with Bears/Packers a few years ago over the Super Bowl champs when they played their 200th game.

Its also why you will get a Dallas/NY or Dallas/Phi game at some point in the season on SNF or MNF that would never be flexed out.

This ain't 1955

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

This ain't 1955

Thank you. Someone who actually lives in 2021 with me.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Mike Vrabel chimes in during Broncos-Chiefs game by quoting the catch rule to the NFL

Posted by Mike Florio on December 6, 2021, 12:59 PM EST

Coaches are prohibited from criticizing officiating. On Sunday night, a coach on a bye chimed in, without criticism, regarding a key call made in the Broncos-Chiefs game.

On a pass thrown to Chiefs tight end Travis Kelce (which he seemed to catch and then fumble), the ruling on the field was that Kelce didn’t make the catch. Replay review confirmed that Kelce failed to satisfy the third element of a catch — having the ball in his possession long enough for it to become a catch.

In response to a tweet from the NFL’s officiating account explaining the decision, Titans coach Mike Vrabel (a member of the Competition Committee) responded by copying and pasting the language of the relevant rule.

Although Vrabel didn’t explain the reason for doing so, the rule as to the third element of a catch becomes particularly relevant. The process of making a catch concludes when the receiver either has performed an act common to the game OR has maintained control of the ball long enough to do so. Thus, it’s not just “time.” That is irrelevant if the player actually performs an act common to the game.

The rule lists several acts common to the game, including taking a third step or tucking the ball away. Kelce, in the video posted by the NFL’s officiating department, tucks the ball away before it’s knocked out.

The tuck happens quickly, but it happens. Of course, with the ruling on the field being that the pass was incomplete, the league would have needed clear and obvious evidence that Kelce completed the catch. The bang-bang nature of the play, with the ball being dislodged just as it’s touched, would have supported a finding that there was no clear and obvious evidence to overturn whatever the ruling on the field was.

Regardless, that’s not how the NFL explained it. The NFL said that Kelce isn’t complete the process because the “time” element wasn’t met. The “act common to the game” apparently was.

Meanwhile, the league probably isn’t thrilled by the fact that an influential coach like Vrabel broke ranks. If so, too bad. With the league office providing little or no transparency when it comes to close and/or bad calls (or providing inaccurate transparency when being transparent), someone needs to say what needs to be said.

Even though, in this case, what Vrabel said sort of fell into the “just sayin'” category. He didn’t directly make his point. After further review, we think. We get. The point.

 

[ausbacker]

A perfect example of this is what the Pistons used to do to Jordan, smash him whenever he came down the lane. Nowadays players are scared of getting posterised so just happily let players dunk without even challenging them at the hoop.

Football is a bit different, but the professional hard penalty or foul to send a message just doesn't occur much any more.

God I miss the 80s.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

God I miss the 80s.

Im a bit too young to truly remember much of the 80s growing up but I love watching sport from the 80s still today, I think the 80s and 90s was sports at its best. The golden age of so many.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Im a bit too young to truly remember much of the 80s growing up but I love watching sport from the 80s still today, I think the 80s and 90s was sports at its best. The golden age of so many.

The best of world sport was the 80s and 90s for sure. All sports you can think of. 70s was good too, but it elevated in the following two decades.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Keenan Allen, Cameron Jordan, Jordan Love....all on covid list.

Deonte Harris unsuccessful in his appeal against his three game suspension

 

[Exe Gesis]

Theres actually a lot more players and club officials all over the league who went on covid list, but theyre the bigger names

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Keenan Allen, Cameron Jordan, Jordan Love....all on covid list.

Deonte Harris unsuccessful in his appeal against his three game suspension

Jordan Love not properly immunised. tsk, tsk.