2021 NON AFL Thread - finance, ratings, participation etc.

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Gawd, you are such a petty man

If I had a dollar for every exec that said something over the years that turned out to not be correct or to be quoted out of context, Id have many dollars.

I merely suggested your source lacks credibility if they claim they know what CBS are going to do re AFL ratings in 3 years.

You can feel free to query whatever you like, Im just relaying what Im told.
 
If I had a dollar for every exec that said something over the years that turned out to not be correct or to be quoted out of context, Id have many dollars.



You can feel free to query whatever you like, Im just relaying what Im told.

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If I had a dollar for every exec that said something over the years that turned out to not be correct or to be quoted out of context, Id have many dollars.



You can feel free to query whatever you like, Im just relaying what Im told.
How odd from noobpie when he makes statements without links, but wants links from the likes of you and others. He needs to practice what he preaches
 
got to stick to your guns. NRL schedule has been known for a while. Vlandys cant keep his tough guy approach going and bow down to the victorian sport.
Tough guy and V'landys don't go together. Example. He didn't want the Kangaoroos to go to England to play in the RLWC, but in the meantime other international sports teams have gone there to play
 
Ive been told they arent bidding on AFL or NRL either. They are very much all in on soccer at this point.

It wouldn't surprise me, they wouldn't have the cash to take the AFL or NRL rights without taking a serious financial risk, i.e debt.
With soccer, it costs them very little and no one watches them on Saturday nights anyway. So if no one watches the A League then they're in the same situation they otherwise would have been in. Ditto the NBL. Low cost, low expectation products.
 
How odd from noobpie when he makes statements without links, but wants links from the likes of you and others. He needs to practice what he preaches

If it ain't the dude who obsesses over other people providing links despite rarely doing so himself

I provided a full quote and context. You could have just googled the quote (like a competent person would have done) and got to

 
They would be nuts to go head to head with an AFL grand final. It would be a case of asking for whom the bell tolls.

They are still trying to sell their FTA rights as well

It will only be pride that stops them from moving it.......and so with V'Landys at the helm it is a good chance they won't

I think it will hurt CH 9 more in Melbourne with the Storm usually pulling decent figures on the main channel in Melbourne when it doesn't have competition from the AFL.
 
I think it will hurt CH 9 more in Melbourne with the Storm usually pulling decent figures on the main channel in Melbourne when it doesn't have competition from the AFL

I would put my house (and keep the mortgage in my name) on them not playing the storm prelim against the AFL grand final. If they do either it would be the Souths game.
 
NRL to move Storm preliminary final to avoid AFL grand final clash SHH

First bounce in the AFL grand final is due at 7.15pm in the eastern states, while the Storm’s showdown with either the Penrith Panthers or Parramatta Eels was scheduled to kick off at 7.50pm at Suncorp Stadium.

But the NRL will now play the game at 4pm.LOL The AFL wins again!
 
Netball seem happy: https://ministryofsport.com.au/2021-super-netball-season-draws-six-million-viewers/

The 2021 Suncorp Super Netball season recorded six million viewers on Channel Nine, with the Grand Final bringing in 770,000 viewers alone.

“Our game is about opportunity for growth, and we are excited to be further supporting our partner countries with a program that will complement the work being done in the PacificAus Sport and Team Up programs.”
 
NRL to move Storm preliminary final to avoid AFL grand final clash SHH

First bounce in the AFL grand final is due at 7.15pm in the eastern states, while the Storm’s showdown with either the Penrith Panthers or Parramatta Eels was scheduled to kick off at 7.50pm at Suncorp Stadium.

But the NRL will now play the game at 4pm.LOL The AFL wins again!


Yeah I just read that too. I wasn't aware they'd actually already decided to put the Storm game on the Saturday night (which was forced on them apparently because they played Eels Knights yesterday and have a rule to give every semi team at least a 7 day break before the prelims)
 
Another young Aussie making it in the US
'Jett Lawrence has become the first Australian to win the United States’ AMA Pro Motorcross 250MX Championship.

Not only did the 18-year-old take the title, his older brother and fellow Team Honda HRC rider Hunter finished third in the championship, making them the first siblings to pull off such a feat.

Jett Lawrence was in just his second full season as a professional, but scored eight wins and four overall victories.'

Sports fans will remember Chad Reed if only for his earnings:https://networthplanet.com/athletes/chad-reed-net-worth.html
 

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Another young Aussie making it in the US
'Jett Lawrence has become the first Australian to win the United States’ AMA Pro Motorcross 250MX Championship.

Not only did the 18-year-old take the title, his older brother and fellow Team Honda HRC rider Hunter finished third in the championship, making them the first siblings to pull off such a feat.

Jett Lawrence was in just his second full season as a professional, but scored eight wins and four overall victories.'

Sports fans will remember Chad Reed if only for his earnings:https://networthplanet.com/athletes/chad-reed-net-worth.html


The vast majority of Australian sports fans wouldn't have the faintest idea who Chad Reed is let alone his earnings.
 


The US population is 12.9 times bigger. Suspect their TV audience is about 12.9 times bigger too.

Those ratings would be equivalent to 1.92million in Australia. I'm guessing the combined AFL / NRL ratings on Thursday night of the AFL opener (round 2 in the NRL) would have been around 2.2million
 
Just read this ridiculous article suggesting the NRL should have puffed its chest out and kept the Storm prelim at the same time as AFL grand final - indeed that it has sold its sport short in moving it....


....generally, the tone suggests it has done so as a favour to the AFL

Firstly, and obviously this can't happen because the NRL grand final is on Sunday nights, but I am very confident the AFL would have not hesitated in moving the prelim if the roles were reversed and Sydney team was in a prelim against the NRL GF. Likely even if there was no northern club. There would have been no bravado in the first place to then have to back down from

But the reality is, the NRL prelim would have been smashed far worse than if the roles were reversed

Using the data of football preferences from Hunter Fujak's book, only 2% of people in Melbourne have an interest in rugby league but not the AFL.


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The Storm roosters prelim in 2019, which was on the night following the the AFL day grand final, rated 210K in Melbourne. You can probably expect something similar next Saturday now they have moved it but how many people in Melbourne would have watched instead of the AFL grand final.

Likewise last year an average 800K watched the AFL grand final in Sydney and Brisbane. About 640K average watched that storm roosters prelim on FTA in those cities in 2019 - perhaps as much as 850K if you assumed that 2/3rds of the foxtel viewers were in Sydney and Brisbane.

Even if Sydney and Brisbane, for the large chunk of people who like both sports, what do you think the bulk of them will watch?

The idea that the NRL moved it "in order to allow casual rugby league fans to watch an AFL match" is absurd. The moved it because they would have lost out far more than the AFL
 

Why this must be the last time the NRL bends for the AFL


When Matty Johns interviewed Peter V’landys in March for his new interview show Face to Face, he asked the ARL Commission chairman to make a choice.

“Hypothetically, if you turn on the TV on a Friday night and you have a choice between rugby union or AFL, which one do you watch?” Johns asked.

The Flintstones,” V’landys replied.
It was the latest in a long line of jabs V’landys had thrown at the AFL since becoming chairman two years ago, a clever ploy to appeal to rugby league’s rusted-on fans who never felt the likes of Todd Greenberg or John Grant stood up to the bullies from the rival code.

Mostly, V’landys has taken delight in shooting down the AFL grand final.
He branded it “second rate” when talk started in the middle of last year about the match being moved to Sydney because of Melbourne’s harsh lockdown.


The match was eventually moved to the Gabba in Brisbane, prompting another classic V’landysism.
“It’s like people going to an ABBA concert when they’re AC/DC fans,” he said. “They’ll like the rhythm for a while, but they’ll go back to the real heavy stuff, the rugba league.”

Those comments were conveniently forgotten on Monday when the NRL brought forward the kick-off time of the Melbourne Storm’s preliminary final from 7.50pm to 4pm on Saturday, September 25, to avoid a clash with that apparently second-rate ABBA concert otherwise known as the AFL grand final, which will be played between Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs at Perth’s Optus Stadium.

Like everything in rugby league, just whose idea it was to move the match depends on whom you talk to.
The NRL says it was their idea, just 10 days after chief executive Andrew Abdo had told News Corp: “We’ll stand our ground. Sports lovers will have to make a choice. League fans will be more interested in our preliminary final”.

The backflip only happened when Melbourne Storm chairman Matt Tripp phoned Abdo, then V’landys, asking for the match to be moved because the Storm are trying to win over fickle Victorian fans who know every word to Waterloo but can’t deny their primal desire to be Thunderstruck.
The NRL claims there was initial resistance from broadcaster Channel Nine, publisher of this masthead, to move the match, which is interesting because Nine says it was their idea.

Both parties can see the upside of the switch: a better spectacle because the match will be played on a dry surface, more people attending and most likely higher ratings, if last weekend’s TV numbers are anything to go by.

‘This is not us backing down’: NRL moved final after call from Storm owner
Which begs the question: why wasn’t it scheduled for 4pm in the first place?
It doesn’t really matter when the match is played because rugby league has a far more pressing battle they need to win with the AFL: the battle for Brisbane.
The ARL Commission meets on Thursday with the heavy question of a second Brisbane team atop the agenda, although don’t expect an announcement any time soon.

For all the talk of the financial strain on rugby league’s bottom line because of COVID-19, there now appears a genuine sense of urgency in getting a 17th franchise up and running for the 2023 season.
The AFL is trying to win over the sprawling, expanding western suburbs of Brisbane just as it did 15 years ago in the sprawling, expanding western suburbs of Sydney. Once again, the NRL seems late to the fight.

Queensland is in the middle of a population boom. Brisbane’s south-side and south-west corridor has a population of 2.1 million people with 45,000 moving into the area annually. Last year, more than 12,000 Victorians moved to the state.
V’landys and Abdo are currently trying to sell the idea of a new team to broadcasters Foxtel and Nine (from whom they need more money) and the current 16 clubs (from whom they need support).

With the undisclosed deal with Foxtel extended out until 2027, and a new free-to-air deal being struck with Nine, it’s a tricky one for the league as they weigh up bids from Redcliffe, Brisbane Easts’ Firehawks and the Ipswich Jets.

The magical figure in additional revenue the NRL wants from the broadcasters is said to be $25m per season for 12 additional matches, but that’s unlikely. At the very least, the NRL needs to cover the annual club grant of $13m to the new franchise, which seems more probable.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/nrl...d-tricks-with-the-master-20210913-p58r8w.html

Both V’landys and Abdo have been meeting with the clubs in recent months, pitching the merits of a new team. The reaction has been varied: some see the bigger picture, some understand the extra value of a new franchise, all of them want more money from any additional broadcast revenue.
Self-interest will always win but in this instance the clubs should realise what the AFL is doing west of Brisbane.
The Brisbane Lions will shortly open a new $70m training facility in the Ipswich suburb of Springfield. Similar investment is being made in schools and grassroots programs across the region.

Redcliffe is considered the favourite to win the bid, although the Firehawks and Jets have been in talks of a merged franchise, which would certainly make their submission more appealing.
The NRL says it won’t be on the new franchise, whoever it is, to solely fight the good fight against the AFL.
Rugby league can afford to bend to the AFL on scheduling clashes. But it can’t allow the rival code to establish a second team in Brisbane before it does.
 
Just read this ridiculous article suggesting the NRL should have puffed its chest out and kept the Storm prelim at the same time as AFL grand final - indeed that it has sold its sport short in moving it....


....generally, the tone suggests it has done so as a favour to the AFL

Firstly, and obviously this can't happen because the NRL grand final is on Sunday nights, but I am very confident the AFL would have not hesitated in moving the prelim if the roles were reversed and Sydney team was in a prelim against the NRL GF. Likely even if there was no northern club. There would have been no bravado in the first place to then have to back down from

But the reality is, the NRL prelim would have been smashed far worse than if the roles were reversed

Using the data of football preferences from Hunter Fujak's book, only 2% of people in Melbourne have an interest in rugby league but not the AFL.


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The Storm roosters prelim in 2019, which was on the night following the the AFL day grand final, rated 210K in Melbourne. You can probably expect something similar next Saturday now they have moved it but how many people in Melbourne would have watched instead of the AFL grand final.

Likewise last year an average 800K watched the AFL grand final in Sydney and Brisbane. About 640K average watched that storm roosters prelim on FTA in those cities in 2019 - perhaps as much as 850K if you assumed that 2/3rds of the foxtel viewers were in Sydney and Brisbane.

Even if Sydney and Brisbane, for the large chunk of people who like both sports, what do you think the bulk of them will watch?

The idea that the NRL moved it "in order to allow casual rugby league fans to watch an AFL match" is absurd. The moved it because they would have lost out far more than the AFL
Very interesting figures there!
 

Why this must be the last time the NRL bends for the AFL


When Matty Johns interviewed Peter V’landys in March for his new interview show Face to Face, he asked the ARL Commission chairman to make a choice.

“Hypothetically, if you turn on the TV on a Friday night and you have a choice between rugby union or AFL, which one do you watch?” Johns asked.

The Flintstones,” V’landys replied.
It was the latest in a long line of jabs V’landys had thrown at the AFL since becoming chairman two years ago, a clever ploy to appeal to rugby league’s rusted-on fans who never felt the likes of Todd Greenberg or John Grant stood up to the bullies from the rival code.

Mostly, V’landys has taken delight in shooting down the AFL grand final.
He branded it “second rate” when talk started in the middle of last year about the match being moved to Sydney because of Melbourne’s harsh lockdown.


The match was eventually moved to the Gabba in Brisbane, prompting another classic V’landysism.
“It’s like people going to an ABBA concert when they’re AC/DC fans,” he said. “They’ll like the rhythm for a while, but they’ll go back to the real heavy stuff, the rugba league.”

Those comments were conveniently forgotten on Monday when the NRL brought forward the kick-off time of the Melbourne Storm’s preliminary final from 7.50pm to 4pm on Saturday, September 25, to avoid a clash with that apparently second-rate ABBA concert otherwise known as the AFL grand final, which will be played between Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs at Perth’s Optus Stadium.

Like everything in rugby league, just whose idea it was to move the match depends on whom you talk to.
The NRL says it was their idea, just 10 days after chief executive Andrew Abdo had told News Corp: “We’ll stand our ground. Sports lovers will have to make a choice. League fans will be more interested in our preliminary final”.

The backflip only happened when Melbourne Storm chairman Matt Tripp phoned Abdo, then V’landys, asking for the match to be moved because the Storm are trying to win over fickle Victorian fans who know every word to Waterloo but can’t deny their primal desire to be Thunderstruck.
The NRL claims there was initial resistance from broadcaster Channel Nine, publisher of this masthead, to move the match, which is interesting because Nine says it was their idea.

Both parties can see the upside of the switch: a better spectacle because the match will be played on a dry surface, more people attending and most likely higher ratings, if last weekend’s TV numbers are anything to go by.

‘This is not us backing down’: NRL moved final after call from Storm owner
Which begs the question: why wasn’t it scheduled for 4pm in the first place?
It doesn’t really matter when the match is played because rugby league has a far more pressing battle they need to win with the AFL: the battle for Brisbane.
The ARL Commission meets on Thursday with the heavy question of a second Brisbane team atop the agenda, although don’t expect an announcement any time soon.

For all the talk of the financial strain on rugby league’s bottom line because of COVID-19, there now appears a genuine sense of urgency in getting a 17th franchise up and running for the 2023 season.
The AFL is trying to win over the sprawling, expanding western suburbs of Brisbane just as it did 15 years ago in the sprawling, expanding western suburbs of Sydney. Once again, the NRL seems late to the fight.

Queensland is in the middle of a population boom. Brisbane’s south-side and south-west corridor has a population of 2.1 million people with 45,000 moving into the area annually. Last year, more than 12,000 Victorians moved to the state.
V’landys and Abdo are currently trying to sell the idea of a new team to broadcasters Foxtel and Nine (from whom they need more money) and the current 16 clubs (from whom they need support).

With the undisclosed deal with Foxtel extended out until 2027, and a new free-to-air deal being struck with Nine, it’s a tricky one for the league as they weigh up bids from Redcliffe, Brisbane Easts’ Firehawks and the Ipswich Jets.

The magical figure in additional revenue the NRL wants from the broadcasters is said to be $25m per season for 12 additional matches, but that’s unlikely. At the very least, the NRL needs to cover the annual club grant of $13m to the new franchise, which seems more probable.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/nrl...d-tricks-with-the-master-20210913-p58r8w.html

Both V’landys and Abdo have been meeting with the clubs in recent months, pitching the merits of a new team. The reaction has been varied: some see the bigger picture, some understand the extra value of a new franchise, all of them want more money from any additional broadcast revenue.
Self-interest will always win but in this instance the clubs should realise what the AFL is doing west of Brisbane.
The Brisbane Lions will shortly open a new $70m training facility in the Ipswich suburb of Springfield. Similar investment is being made in schools and grassroots programs across the region.

Redcliffe is considered the favourite to win the bid, although the Firehawks and Jets have been in talks of a merged franchise, which would certainly make their submission more appealing.
The NRL says it won’t be on the new franchise, whoever it is, to solely fight the good fight against the AFL.
Rugby league can afford to bend to the AFL on scheduling clashes. But it can’t allow the rival code to establish a second team in Brisbane before it does.
Good to see Australian Football making inroads in the fast growing Brisbane suburbs!
I don't see another new RL club in Brisbane making much difference but it will impact more on the Broncos going forward!
 
Just read this ridiculous article suggesting the NRL should have puffed its chest out and kept the Storm prelim at the same time as AFL grand final - indeed that it has sold its sport short in moving it....


Yes, I read that this morning as well. A very silly article.

But it's not just that having a clash would hurt the NRL's ratings but it would send the message that the NRL doesn't care about Victoria whatsoever.

The NSW media regularly chucks a wobbly about the AFL "trying to take over NRL heartland" (i.e. trying to grow the game in NSW & Qld - see the article in The Age linked above) but is now complaining that the NRL has moved to change a fixture that would have basically locked out all of Melbourne/Victoria from watching one their biggest games.

The NRL and its attendant media outlets are completely shortsighted about trying to expand beyond its little fiefdom. If they don't try to build a bigger following in the AFL states and continue to rely on just those heartland areas they're doomed to watch the AFL chip away at it.

The numbers posted above also indicated that it's not exactly a zero sum game for the codes anyway. Even in sports crazy Melbourne, over 40% of the population don't follow either code. It rises to more than 50% in Sydney. There's an incredible number of people out there that you can get interested in your code without necessarily taking them away from the other.
 
Over 9 million people in the UK alone watched Emma Raducanu's win in the US opne tennis and tennis wouldn't even be among the top 5 sports in the UK


The women's outrated the men's in America (again)

NFL football is a factor why but not the sole reason.
 
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