2021 NON AFL Thread - finance, ratings, participation etc.

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The Beer Shed becomes a sponsor of Macarthur.
It's always interesting the small time sponsors A-League clubs attract.
It's basically just one step up from the sponsors a large bush footy club might have.
 

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This is significant point with the par parity for women's SoO players.

An expanded women’s Origin series could cost the NSWRL an additional $1.5m should women receive equal pay once the men’s remuneration reverts back a pre-Covid payment of $30,000 a game.
Jumping to equal pay seems a short term PR gain for the QRL but it raises the price considerably of moving to a 3 game series.

It's funny though the difference between how RL women's conversations go in the media compared to AFL W.

In NRL land $1.5M is accepted as prohibitive to give women parity and 3 SoO games but the AFL media take a "garn you can afford it" stance on expanding the AFLW season or lifting wages in a way that would cost considerably more than $1.5 million. With 18 teams from next year, increasing average wages by barely more than $2.5K would be at a cost of $1.5M
 

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Kidding, right?
The Beer Shed becomes a sponsor of Macarthur.
It's always interesting the small time sponsors A-League clubs attract.
It's basically just one step up from the sponsors a large bush footy club might have.
Hunter Fujak makes that point in his Code Wars. A lot of AFL clubs have major international sponsors - Emirates, Jeep, VW, Citigroup etc. NRL and A-League, not so much.
 

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Hunter Fujak makes that point in his Code Wars. A lot of AFL clubs have major international sponsors - Emirates, Jeep, VW, Citigroup etc. NRL and A-League, not so much.
It's quite stark looking right across all comps, although I expect NRL to be a bit better off than the A-League clubs.
Melbourne Victory has Metricon, so you'd think that's a sizeable company.
I just noticed another big city club, like Sydney FC has "The Star". I don't even know what that is.
 

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So? Your point was this...




I demonstrated that was nonsense.




So? Another purely domestic one country sport is more popular globally than the AFL?

How is this relevant to supporting your completely wrong claim ?

It just reinforces my point - in the US as well as Australia, the dominant sporting code does not have any international representation. How can that be possible without a "pinnacle"?



In no way is international representation the pinnacle of basketball

Rugby union isn't "light years" ahead of AF. Rugby union doesn't have anything like the AFL in terms of club competitions. I saw something a couple of year's ago showing its global revenues are less than double that of the AFL.



Says the rugby league troll who is about to celebrate 8 sad, sad years making of 2,500 posts on a forum of a sport he clearly hates!

I said nothing offensive towards rugby league - just to the very small subset of League fans who are deluded enough to think the international game is the "pinnacle" of that sport rather than SoO or the NRL.
Union is light years ahead of AF on every level outside of Australia
The union world cup is in the top 10 of world sporting events and look at the crowds for the union games in the UK and Ireland this past weekend. Crowds we can only dream of for AF played outside of Australia
I'm not a troll i deal in facts and don't live in fantasy land like you.
What's so0? LOL
 

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Because it's an english sport and the British empire spread their culture throughout the world. Same as american culture now and basketball being popular. Australia has zero relevance on the world stage and had even less when these sports were growing. I'm actually more amazed at how small rugby league is internationally for being a British sport.
Rugby League wasn't a British garrison sport until 1995.
It was and still seen as anti establishment by the British establishment
 

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It's quite stark looking right across all comps, although I expect NRL to be a bit better off than the A-League clubs.
Melbourne Victory has Metricon, so you'd think that's a sizeable company.
I just noticed another big city club, like Sydney FC has "The Star". I don't even know what that is.
you live in Sydney and don't know what the Star is.......
 

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Union is light years ahead of AF on every level outside of Australia
The union world cup is in the top 10 of world sporting events and look at the crowds for the union games in the UK and Ireland this past weekend. Crowds we can only dream of for AF played outside of Australia
I'm not a troll i deal in facts and don't live in fantasy land like you.
What's so0? LOL
The way Union is growing internationally is of interest to a casual sports fan like myself. France & Japan are now attracting some of Australias best players & I note we have lost the NRLs Mitchell Pearce to France.
 

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The way Union is growing internationally is of interest to a casual sports fan like myself. France & Japan are now attracting some of Australias best players & I note we have lost the NRLs Mitchell Pearce to France.
Off to Catalans. At his age probably a good mover.
 

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Kidding, right?

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Well...the "once again" sort of says it all.

Yup. The it's the same old roller coaster of out of control expectations followed by crashing disappointment (replete with squealing about being persecuted)

The fact that on the eve of the new season the focus is still obsessively on the new tv deal, and more so just how apparently bad the old deal was, rahter than the actually competition itself is also telling

As is this classic new dawner urging....

Just like the current-day Sturridge, peripheral A-League Men viewers should not anticipate Premier League quality but, tune in without expectation, and they might find themselves pleasantly surprised.
Most big premier league fans I know are primarily AFL fans. The Hunter Fujak book suggests only 7% of the population only follow soccer (i.e. no other football code).

In a country with a rich sporting culture (indeed football culture), there is simply not some large group of people who are going to throw their lot in for a sustainable period because they have discovered the A league is a slightly better quality than it used to be or some over the hill ex premier league player is going to play.

Most of the small number of people that are going to be impressed by that are already following the A League. There is a broader cohort that will engage briefly why there is novelty.

Once again it is the elevated expectations of the ground hog new dawners that are the problem. If they could live with the A League's modest popularity there wouldn't be so much disappointment and associated venom
 
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Kidding, right?
Yup. The it's the same old roller coaster of out of control expectations followed by crashing disappointment (replete with squealing about being persecuted)

The fact that on the eve of the new season the focus is still obsessively on the new tv deal, and more so just how apparently bad the old deal was, rahter than the actually competition itself is also telling

As is this classic new dawner urging....



Most big premier league fans I know are primarily AFL fans. The Hunter Fujak book suggests only 7% of the population only follow soccer (i.e. no other football code).

In a country with a rich sporting culture (indeed football culture), there is simply not some large group of people who are going to throw their lot in for a sustainable period because they have discovered the A league is a slightly better quality than it used to be or some over the hill ex premier league player is going to play.

Most of the small number of people that are going to be impressed by that are already following the A League. There is a broader cohort that will engage briefly why there is novelty.

Once again it is the elevated expectations of the ground hog new dawners that are the problem. If they could live with the A League's modest popularity there wouldn't be so much disappointment and associated venom
Yep. I always say, most Australians have seen a game of soccer or two. So if they aren't watching it now, they're probably not going to suddenly decide they were wrong all those years ago when they first started following another code.

Soccer fans will say our demographics are changing, and the immigrant population is where the growth is going to come from. Conveniently overlooking the fact that Australia has been taking millions of immigrants from one soccer-mad nation since 1788, and yet for some reason many of their offspring usually seem to decide to follow the indigenous code.
 
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Kidding, right?
which is what. You don't know what the Casino is in Sydney. Doesn't that make it good advertising then....

Go on, explain the point.
I think the point is that in terms of branding, a sponsorship deal ideally isn't just about advertising the sponsor. The sponsor is supposed to have some inbuilt prestige (questionable, in the case of the misery factories that casinos are) to bring to the deal.
 

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Have we heard it al before, or will this season, with a new broadcast deal, prove a turning point for the A-League Mens?

Hard to see what's changed other than the product now is more inaccessible than it's ever been. At least on Fox it was being marketed to millions of sports fans. Now it's just the Channel 10 audience, most of which don't give a sh*t about sports. With most games exclusive to Paramount it's just preaching to the converted.

It makes audience numbers a bit hazy though. Other than 10 ratings the rest will just be unverified press releases.
 

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Hard to see what's changed other than the product now is more inaccessible than it's ever been. At least on Fox it was being marketed to millions of sports fans. Now it's just the Channel 10 audience, most of which don't give a sh*t about sports. With most games exclusive to Paramount it's just preaching to the converted.

It makes audience numbers a bit hazy though. Other than 10 ratings the rest will just be unverified press releases.

I guess it avoids the awkward release of foxtel ratings each week showing some games falling below 5 figures
 

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