2021 NON AFL Thread - finance, ratings, participation etc.

[Teen Wolf]

BBL* attendance is really not a mystery. More games in the sweet spot = higher crowds. More games out of the sweet spot = lower crowds.

Here's what happened in 2012/13, the last time the season started in the first week of December:

• Average pre-Christmas crowd of 10,965 (down 29%)
• Average post-Christmas crowd of 16,916 (down 9%)

The 2011/12 season (which started on a typical date of 16th Dec) had just 8 games before Christmas and 23 after. Whereas 2012/13 had a split of 16 and 19 games respectively.

*Or any non-Ashes cricket in Australia, for that matter. Hence the WA and QLD defence: "we'd get good crowds too if we got to host the Boxing Day Test".

 

[The_Wookie]

 

[Gigantor]

That average of 9923 does not look right

 

[The_Wookie]

That average of 9923 does not look right

it wasnt. Some things I should leave until morning instead of doing them when i get back half drunk,.

 

[weewilly]

something is really off about the BBL attendance at the moment.

That's what I thought Wookie.What do you think is causing this massive drop off?

 

[Teen Wolf]

BBL attendance is a mystery. Nobody can come up with an explanation for it.

 

[The_Wookie]

That's what I thought Wookie.What do you think is causing this massive drop off?

I mean if there was a general downturn you could make a guess, BBL is down, Aleague is up, NBL is steady. Test was up but its the Ashes.

 

[giggler99]

BBL attendance is a mystery. Nobody can come up with an explanation for it.

The whole league is boring as batshit! some, teams, some hit and giggles cricket every year. The gimmicky aspect got old pretty quickly.

How about a name change to something more serious? and a couple more teams preferably in reginal areas? might spice the competition up a bit.

 

[The_Wookie]

The whole league is boring as batshit! some, teams, some hit and giggles cricket every year. The gimmicky aspect got old pretty quickly.

How about a name change to something more serious? and a couple more teams preferably in reginal areas? might spice the competition up a bit.

MULTIBALL! two bowlers, two batsmen, 1 pitch

 

[The_Wookie]

 

[Gigantor]

It will be fascinating watching this all unfold.
A 33% stake is a pretty big chunk.
Are they going to act like silent partners and let the APL do whatever is best for the sport - or do they immediately occupy one third of the boardroom and steer the direction of everything? Does any of this money flow through to the FA. Indeed, does any of the money flow through to the owners? (as in directly into the owners' pockets)
Also, as is the norm, the clubs are entitled to a share of all distributions on a annual basis. Does this mean that the new equity partner immediately takes one third of the value of broadcast deal, for example. If the 12 clubs are currently getting something like $3 million per annum in annual distributions, predominantly out of the broadcast deal, that immediately falls to $2 million, and the equity partner starts taking $12 million per annum from hereon in.
Do they immediately take one third of the value of all licenses sold going forward. Creates a big incentive to sell more licenses.
If that's the way it's working, after four years, and the sale of four licenses (at around $21 million a pop), the equity investors would have already got back over half of their investment (about 55%), while still owning one third of the whole league which it can onsell, presumably anytime it wants.
They are going to do all right out of it - that would be the time to sell the share, before it all goes to crap.

 

[BringBackTorps]

A 33% stake is a pretty big chunk.
Are they going to act like silent partners and let the APL do whatever is best for the sport - or do they immediately occupy one third of the boardroom and steer the direction of everything? Does any of this money flow through to the FA. Indeed, does any of the money flow through to the owners? (as in directly into the owners' pockets)

If Silver Lake has a similar contract to its 12.5% equity investment in NZRU, the APL will be paying it 33% of APL & Clubs' "revenue from commercial operations" ie all A League Rights' $, ticket sales, merchandising sales etc.- in perpetuity (but no Socceroos Rights $ etc.- these belong to FA).

The Australian J. Stensholt 27.10.18

Stensholt said

"Lured by the potential of the world's biggest sport, which has a huge participation base in Australia, they (A League Club owners) see entry to the A-League as a combination of business, philanthropy and sporting opportunity and their strategies could change the face of sporting team ownership in this country. And they have not been put off by existing clubs having lost more than $300 million since the league began in 2005 (My words & emphases in brackets)".

Since the A League has had much worse seasons since 2017/18 season, I assume total net losses of the Clubs now are $350m+ (& will further deteriorate with the lower, 2021 Rights' deal, much lower average crowds & sponsor funds).
AFAIK, Melb. Victory is one of the few clubs to regularly make profits. Will Silver Lake take 33% of any profits?

I would like to know how much funds do A League clubs spend on their elite jnr squads; & also general GR soccer funding?
Possible conflict of interest, as this spending does not produce net profits (at least immediately) for Silver Lake- will it seek cutbacks in these areas?


Re NZRU proposed deal
"Make no mistake, Silver Lake is in this to make serious money.

It’s understood NZ Rugby will pay Silver Lake 12.5 per cent of revenue from commercial operations after three years, starting from 3.5 after the first year and 7 following the second.

NZ Rugby rakes in just under $200m a year in revenue. Silver Lake, if it can help NZ Rugby raise that amount, will therefore get a bigger slice of the pie".

NZ Rugby and Silver Lake deal: What the fuss is all about

EXPLAINER: Fans fear NZ Rugby could be hijacked by wealthy overseas businesspeople. But should they really be worried?

www.stuff.co.nz

I mean if there was a general downturn you could make a guess, BBL is down, Aleague is up, NBL is steady. Test was up but its the Ashes.

A League average crowds are far below the most recent pre-covid 2018/19 average of c. 10400 per game.
Are average crowds since the start in Nov. c. 7434, as per your above tweet?



EDIT:

Daily Telegraph 11.12.21

"Dipping attendances tell you the A-League has a problem. Socceroos great Robbie Slater says to get the competition back on the right keel the answer is simple, but it doesn’t come cheap.


dailytelegraph.com.au
Slater: $5m firestarter will leave A-League stadiums brimming over
Ange Postecoglou was spot on last month when urging caution over the so-called “new era” of Australian football.

 

[The_Wookie]

 

[The_Wookie]

 

[giggler99]

"Dipping attendances tell you the A-League has a problem. Socceroos great Robbie Slater says to get the competition back on the right keel the answer is simple, but it doesn’t come cheap.


dailytelegraph.com.au
Slater: $5m firestarter will leave A-League stadiums brimming over
Ange Postecoglou was spot on last month when urging caution over the so-called “new era” of Australian football.

Marquees help in the short term but they ain't the answer for the A-League as we've seen in the past. It needs to stand on its own two feet at some point. Investment in youth and local player development is far more important. If the product is good the fans will come back and continue watching not just because of Marquee players.
Also don't underestimate fan engagement and atmosphere Its should be promoted to get regular fans back to the football and something that's sorely been lacking recently. Over the past five years the FFA never come to the fans defense back when the media was calling us all "hooligans" and "suburban terrorists" sure there where ratbags, but the lack of support in defence to the real A-League fans by the FFA left a bitter taste to a lot of regulars and they haven't been back. Growing the atmosphere back at matches and making sure everyone is welcome will go a long way to bringing the lost supporters back to the stadiums. So far from what I've experienced haven been to a couple of Victory matches already it seems the APL and the clubs are listening and the Atmosphere and interactions have been fantastic! Lets hope it stays that way.

 

[Kwality]

Commercial growth is the aim of private equity to increase the value of that investment & that can only be good for the sport IF delivered.
To me its interesting that it is the lesser performing sports (Soccer & Rugby Union) in the Australian market that are being seen as opportunities. Both international sports where the local competitions have been dogged by poor management.

Is the opportunity in the local competition ?

 

[Kwality]

On the sports media scene, StanSport has taken Indycar racing from Foxtel:

Stan Sport secures IndyCar broadcast rights

World Rally Championship and World Endurance Championship have new home too

www.speedcafe.com

'Live coverage of the IndyCar Series will move from Fox Sports to Nine Entertainment-owned subscription-based streaming service Stan Sport.

Coverage of the FIA World Rally Championship (WRC) and FIA World Endurance Championship (WEC) will also move to Stan Sport.

In a post to social media, the broadcaster confirmed every round of the three categories will be live and advert-free.'

With 3 drivers from downunder very competitive, there is a niche following.

 

[RedV3x]

Commercial growth is the aim of private equity to increase the value of that investment & that can only be good for the sport IF delivered.

Anything good for a sport is good for the sport - if delivered.

To me its interesting that it is the lesser performing sports (Soccer & Rugby Union) in the Australian market that are being seen as opportunities.

Where's the opportunity in RU ?
Soccer has yet to deliver.

Is the opportunity in the local competition ?

seems not.

 

[Kwality]

Anything good for a sport is good for the sport - if delivered.

In this case it is a commercial valuation, not much room for sentiment.

 

[Walshawk]

BBL attendance is a mystery. Nobody can come up with an explanation for it.

It was a fad. It came and went. Grew too quickly, had nowhere to go. Like a band that goes to number 1 with their first song then can't follow it up. Similar thing happened to A-league in Melbourne when they introduced other teams, something changed with Victory. Crowds halved and will never recover.

 

[RedV3x]

In this case it is a commercial valuation, not much room for sentiment.

Exactly - quite clinical, if an opportunity doesn't deliver.

 

[Gigantor]

To me its interesting that it is the lesser performing sports (Soccer & Rugby Union) in the Australian market that are being seen as opportunities.

Is the opportunity in the local competition ?

They are the only opportunities because they are the only ones desperate for cash. Absolutely desperate. That cash ain't coming from anywhere else.
In the case of the AFL:
- none of it is for sale to private interests, be that the competition or individual clubs,
- you tend to be a little less desperate for cash when you have a multi-billion dollar broadcast deal and one million plus members.

 

[Kwality]

They are the only opportunities because they are the only ones desperate for cash. Absolutely desperate. That cash ain't coming from anywhere else.
In the case of the AFL:
- none of it is for sale to private interests, be that the competition or individual clubs,
- you tend to be a little less desperate for cash when you have a multi-billion dollar broadcast deal and one million plus members.

The people investing seem to believe. I'd love to understand how they think they are going to make a buck.

 

[RedV3x]

The people investing seem to believe.

Like those who have come and gone before them.

 

[Kwality]

MULTIBALL! two bowlers, two batsmen, 1 pitch

Is that double wicket as tried eons back:

Double Wicket Cricket - An exciting affair

The feast of thrill and excitement that test cricket has provided cricket fans since inception, is still going great guns with absolutely no fears of extinction

www.espncricinfo.com

Didnt get a real go back then, not a team concept - might work now IF India supported it .