Opinion 2021 Non-Crows AFL 3: Things Fall Apart!

[Geoffa32]

My example of Victorian media bias is when the collective AFL media tried to get Essendon off a drug cheating accusation, minimizing the scope of the program, looking to absolve the players for taking banned drugs, and then welcoming back the drug cheats with open arms (or in the case of Jobe Watson, commentating jobs).

Meanwhile the same media accused us of harming player health and welfare with our ill-fated camp, wanting us investigated and sanctioned for a situation orders of magnitude less serious. Oh and also some said we should receive draft sanctions for breaching Covid rules - the same level of sanction given to a club found guilty of drug cheating at the highest court in sport (a club still allowed to receive pick 1 during a year the majority of their squad were banned from playing)

End of the day, we joined their league. A new national league was not formed.

The VFL expanded to become a "National League". But it really is just the VFL still.

This attitude is intrinsic to the fabric of the league.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk

 

[Geoffa32]

I think that tweet was all Greenwood. He’s got form in being a smart arse on Twitter.

Hard to say. Yeah he loves to Tweet. But I reckon the Suns asked him to say something.


Anyway, a bloke who is happy doesn't leave.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk

 

[jo172]

Remember waking up in Melbourne on Grand Final Day 2017 (my memory gets fuzzy from about 3pm) and opening up the Age and the Herald Sun.

From reading those papers it wouldn't have been apparent that Richmond in fact had an opponent that afternoon.

 

[Mego Red]

The irony of the the academy concessions the AFL gave to improve them on field has cost them one of their best players.

Not to mention they gave away pick 19 for nothing this year and traded pick 11 in 2020 for pick 27 in 2019 (Sharp).

They gave away pick 19 for Freo's future second - probably around pick 25 - AND salary dumped Brodie.

Good deal for GCS.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

No, but Port believe they do ....and can backtrack on committments given upon entry to the AFL Comp

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

No, but Port believe they do ....and can backtrack on committments given upon entry to the AFL Comp

View attachment 1281928

I'm not offended. I just think its funny they can't wear it. And I'm a fan of comedy.

 

[Peter Doherty]

No, but Port believe they do ....and can backtrack on committments given upon entry to the AFL Comp

View attachment 1281928

Can't they just leave us out of this bullshit?

 

[StickerMan]

On the point of bias and the thought process behind getting a bad run in the media..

It is like any old football game between two teams who have two sets of parochial and biased supporters in the stands. Each fan thinks that they should receive more free kicks than the others as they see it through the lens of their team and wanting the advantage of the 50/50 calls. On the flip side, if it is perceived that their team are not getting the 50/50 calls fall their way, it is felt that the umpiring was biased.

Now imagine this in the greater sense of the AFL Media and the non-Vic sides. The AFL media will jump on anything that paints the non-Vic teams in a bad light, but will not give the same treatment to their own teams.

The big one for me is the return home factor of players during trade period. If a player wants to go home to a non-Vic team from a Vic team then the rhetoric in the media is completely biased if the reverse is to happen. To say it isn't means that you are in the Vic bubble and don't get it. That is, you are the fan in the stands that believes the 50/50 call from the umpire was correct in being awarded to your team, but are up in arms when it goes against you!

 

[Truck25]

if true, big if, but if true they’re not typical, normal Christians

Define normal, there are many flavors. These are not Lutheran or Methodist if that is what you are inferring

 

[Sanders]

Define normal, there are many flavors. These are not Lutheran or Methodist if that is what you are inferring

not really, no.

The fruit bats you’re describing are way out on the fringes, if real

 

[DJ75]

Remember waking up in Melbourne on Grand Final Day 2017 (my memory gets fuzzy from about 3pm) and opening up the Age and the Herald Sun.

From reading those papers it wouldn't have been apparent that Richmond in fact had an opponent that afternoon.

Or the continuous stories through all the Victorian papers about the dream result and how Richmond deserved to win - completely ignoring the fact that our coach had been murdered not long before hand and many of the players were playing for him.

How they could ignore that to suit the Victorian narrative is utterly beyond me. It was disgusting.

 

[GROTTO]

We’ll get a great sample over the next 12 months when it will be gushing over Ben King coming to a big Melbourne club vs disloyal charlatans Rankosius cutting and running like babies.

It will be almost worthy of a thread, to compare and contrast how the Victorian media will treat a Victorian wanting to come home vs a SA kid.

 

[DJ75]

On the point of bias and the thought process behind getting a bad run in the media..

It is like any old football game between two teams who have two sets of parochial and biased supporters in the stands. Each fan thinks that they should receive more free kicks than the others as they see it through the lens of their team and wanting the advantage of the 50/50 calls. On the flip side, if it is perceived that their team are not getting the 50/50 calls fall their way, it is felt that the umpiring was biased.

Now imagine this in the greater sense of the AFL Media and the non-Vic sides. The AFL media will jump on anything that paints the non-Vic teams in a bad light, but will not give the same treatment to their own teams.

The big one for me is the return home factor of players during trade period. If a player wants to go home to a non-Vic team from a Vic team then the rhetoric in the media is completely biased if the reverse is to happen. To say it isn't means that you are in the Vic bubble and don't get it. That is, you are the fan in the stands that believes the 50/50 call from the umpire was correct in being awarded to your team, but are up in arms when it goes against you!

When Dangerfield wanted to go home the story was that he had given enough service and deserved the right to go home. The Crows were urged repeatedly to let him go.
When Gibbs wanted to go home the story was that Carlton should refuse and hold him to his contract.

The difference (contract status aside) was stark.

 

[GROTTO]

When Dangerfield wanted to go home the story was that he had given enough service and deserved to right to go home. The Crows were urged repeatedly to let him go.
When Gibbs wanted to go home the story was that Carlton should refuse and hold him to his contract.

The difference (contract status aside) was stark.

Kelly wanting to return home to WA was even worse.

 

[FAITH]

Glad to see you’ve finally plucked up the courage to come back and join the conversation..

paid up on that bet with Crow Till I Die yet?..

Theres not much thats lower in society than someone who doesnt pay up when they lose a bet..

as for judging peoples faith.. i’ve been around religious people all my life.. the most judgmental, hypocritical and self-righteous people I have known have all been deeply religious nutters.

Will say I’ve met plenty of those who follow a religion that arent like this.. but they tend to be the ones who dont get all fanatical when it comes to their faith.

That's because you're probably a bogan who has never left the northern suburbs of Adelaide your entire life.
There is good and bad in religion, don't write off the good because you've had some bad experiences with certain people.

 

[FR0GGY]

That's because you're probably a bogan who has never left the northern suburbs of Adelaide your entire life.
There is good and bad in religion, don't write off the good because you've had some bad experiences with certain people.

I’m not really sure what good comes out of religion?

 

[MRB37]

Or the continuous stories through all the Victorian papers about the dream result and how Richmond deserved to win - completely ignoring the fact that our coach had been murdered not long before hand and many of the players were playing for him.

How they could ignore that to suit the Victorian narrative is utterly beyond me. It was disgusting.

Taylor Walker makes a 30 second speech - He's a sore loser and an arseh*le
Next year - Scott Pendlebury makes a 30 second speech - So classy in defeat.

 

[FAITH]

I’m not really sure what good comes out of religion?

Australians by in large are spoilt rotten, you have to look outside the country to see the major positive effect religion has played in people's lives.

 

[GreyCrow]

No, but Port believe they do ....and can backtrack on committments given upon entry to the AFL Comp

View attachment 1281928

Watch Port tie this in with Russell

 

[Tas]

Give me some examples of Vic media bias.

No, not those examples.

Hahaha, so I can list a few negative articles about North in SA media and say SA media is biased against my club? That isn't what bias means, especially if you are going to claim the entire state is biased against you. Is Rucci's unhinged criticism of the Crows evidence of SA media bias against the Crows as well?

When you think about it, it is nonsensical to have bias against other states, why? Because Crows play in SA? A third of your list is from Victoria. We just don't see SA or WA like we did in the VFL/SANFL/WAFL days. It has probably been more than 5 years since anyone drafted into the AFL was born before the last state of origin game.

Those days when we saw the different states as rivals are long gone.

The state based leagues are more important to SA and WA, but VFL is just a reserves grade competition to us and I couldn't tell you who won the flag in any given year. It doesn't make the news, at all. SANFL and WAFL don't make the news either, it isn't because of bias, these are just irrelevant to the vast majority of people.

If I browse the AFL articles on news.com.au the only "negative" articles are about Tex and the racism thing and I think it got the same reaction all over the country, including in SA. If there is clear bias I am happy to say I am wrong, but I spend an unhealthy amount of time on other club forums and everyone thinks they cop a hard time by the media that other clubs don't get, even my own club, our supporters are amongst the most unhinged on the forum and they do not like it when I inject a dose of reality. Sometimes clubs do dumb things, they are deserving of criticism, sometimes players do dumb things, they are also deserving of criticism. The media does it solely for revenue, journalists have varying individual biases but there isn't a campaign out to get any club or any state.

 

[spenze]

I actually thought the kicking of Tex over his grand final speech was a disgrace.

For those who haven't had the chance, I can assure you there is nothing you want to do less after a loss in a grand final than to get up and do a speech. It is much harder than giving a speech at a parents funeral, you have time to prepare and reflect for that, you can take notes with you but in that week coming up to a GF, in whatever sport you play; the last thing you are doing is giving time to what should I say to the crowd if we lose.

I have had to do a lot of public speaking in my life so I do not fear it (except in the minute and a half before I walk into a room or to a podium, where stupid thoughts go through my mind) but that first time we lost a cricket GF...and it was gut-wrenching, we had taken 6-15 to swing the game our way only to see the 9 and 10 whittle away the last 18 runs with smart batting and good running.

After consoling team mates I was told by the club president that I had to give a speech ( would have been a crowd of about 350 people) and it was terrifying, it was the last thing I wanted to do, I wanted time to take it in, process it and clear my head but now I was in the middle of a crowd having to talk. Now I'm not going to lie, I pissed it in but it was really hard, all I wanted to do was get out of there, finish up and slink away.

Some people are better at off-the-cuff speeches than others, to compare Tex' speech to someone elses and then criticise him was piss-weak journalism at best because they kicked a man when he was down and frankly, they should have been called out for it. A guy is experiencing grief and trauma and has a microphone shoved in his face, the results aren't always going to be outstanding, some will do better than others but to vilify the person who does not do an incredible speech...yeah, that was shithouse

 

[StonesThrow]

How many can you name?

View attachment 1281755

Jeepers. Played with and against all of these guys.

 

[DJ75]

Taylor Walker makes a 30 second speech - He's a sore loser and an arseh*le
Next year - Scott Pendlebury makes a 30 second speech - So classy in defeat.

This was actually disgusting. The media pile on of Walker has been incredibly poor.

 

[SugarShane]

Taylor Walker makes a 30 second speech - He's a sore loser and an arseh*le
Next year - Scott Pendlebury makes a 30 second speech - So classy in defeat.

I too remember the gushing over Pendles the next year of "that's how you do a loser's speech Tex!" While we're all sitting here like, it was the same thing. Tex's biggest crime was he didn't spend 60 seconds sucking off Richmond and how great they were which greatly offended the Vics. Pendles lost to a WA side so pumping them up wasn't a concern.

Tex's speech verbatim:
"Firstly, congratulations Richmond, too good. Thanks to the sponsors. And sorry Crows fans we couldn't get it done but thank you very much for travelling. Thank you."

Pendles' speech verbatim:
"First off I just wanna thank fans, Collingwood fans, West Coast fans. Uh, it was an unbelievable experience to play out here today. To the Eagles boys, you were too good in the end, well done, enjoy the victory."

 

[DJ75]

I too remember the gushing over Pendles the next year of "that's how you do a loser's speech Tex!" While we're all sitting here like, it was the same thing. Tex's biggest crime was he didn't spend 60 seconds sucking off Richmond and how great they were which greatly offended the Vics. Pendles lost to a WA side so pumping them up wasn't a concern.

Tex's speech verbatim:
"Firstly, congratulations Richmond, too good. Thanks to the sponsors. And sorry Crows fans we couldn't get it done but thank you very much for travelling. Thank you."

Pendles' speech verbatim:
"First off I just wanna thank fans, Collingwood fans, West Coast fans. Uh, it was an unbelievable experience to play out here today. To the Eagles boys, you were too good in the end, well done, enjoy the victory."

Who does Tex think he is? Disgusting.