Training 2021 Pre-Season Training Discussion

[Golumless]

^ More excuses. A slump means you have gone down hill from a higher point. His two years here are best described as flatlining at a low level.

Yeah, no.

Jones is a kid who ticked just about box for a draftee at Adelaide in his first year. Contract extension, very early debut with some promising moments, dominated some SANFL matches (Norwood stands out) before finishing the season with a very promising 18 disp/2 goals/7 marks/433 mg against the dogs. A near breakout performance.

Jones was coming into the last preseason exactly where Sholl is now. A kid with a lot of promise and showed signs he'll fulfill it. To say otherwise is revisionist history at best case.

What dictates 2020 was a sophomore slump, or 2019 was a false dawn is 2021-22. However, his 2019 has at least earned the benefit of the doubt coming into 2021 that it was just 2nd year blues.

 

[Mutineer]

Hmm, didn't Tilthorpe win (or finish in the first couple) the forwards 2km run? Yet he needs "miles in the legs"?

One assumes he needs match fitness miles otherwise I dunno what they could be talking about.

Groins....contain the 5 muscles that move your legs...

Thilly reportedly carried groin pain most of the season at Westies so it shouldn't be too hard to understand why the fitness crew/coaches are going to be taking a conservative approach.

 

[1970crow]

Hmm, didn't Tilthorpe win (or finish in the first couple) the forwards 2km run? Yet he needs "miles in the legs"?

One assumes he needs match fitness miles otherwise I dunno what they could be talking about.

we tend to only draft players that need a couple of years working on their game/body in the SANFL.

 

[Golumless]

we tend to only draft players that need a couple of years working on their game/body in the SANFL.

Not this year, outside of Cook in the main draft.

Thilthorpe certainly does not need that time, seeing he's already 100 kg, though we should be cautious this year. He had some groin issues in his draft year, and that could be a potential stumbling block if we do too much too quickly.

 

[hey shorty]

we tend to only draft players that need a couple of years working on their game/body in the SANFL.

Not really

 

[Mutineer]

we tend to only draft players that need a couple of years working on their game/body in the SANFL.

That wouldn't be because we've not really had too many opportunities with high end draft picks until of late in the main?

Until the AFL intervened one of Matt Rowell or Noah Anderson would have been suiting up in a Crows guernsey last year.

 

[Torpedro]

Hey all, been a lurker for way too long. Thought I’d finally create a profile and bestow you with some knowledge.

Player’s measurements have been updated on the AFL app, and nowhere else as of yet. Thought I’d post this because a lot of people were referencing incorrect measurements last year. Which I can only assume is because the AFC website is 2 years out of date for some reason.

Here is a bunch of our younger/inexperienced players who are a notable difference from last year.


Chayce Jones

1

Chayce Jones

Age

24

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.7

2star

T

1.9

4star

MG

178.6

3star

D

8.9

2star

K

4.9

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

1.6

3star

MG

143.3

3star

D

9.4

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

175.0

3star

181cm 81kg
180cm 83kg
-1cm +2kg

Shane Mcadam

23

Shane Mcadam

Age

28

Ht

186cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.5

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.3

5star

G

0.8

4star

D

6.5

1star

K

4.8

2star

HB

1.8

1star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.3

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

6.5

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.3

5star

G

0.8

4star

183cm 82kg
183cm 79kg
-3kg

Harry Schoenberg
181cm 83kg
182cm 86kg
+1cm +3kg

Lachlan Sholl
187cm 82kg
186cm 80kg
-1cm -2kg

Fischer Mcasey

3

Fischer Mcasey

Age

23

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.8

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

3.5

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.3

3star

MG

102.3

2star

D

6.8

1star

K

3.3

1star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.3

2star

MG

102.3

2star

D

7.2

2star

K

3.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.6

4star

MG

114.8

2star

196cm 89kg
196cm 96kg
+7kg

Ned McHenry

25

Ned Mchenry

Age

23

Ht

179cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.7

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.7

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

0.0

1star

D

9.7

2star

K

4.0

1star

HB

5.7

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

10.0

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

6.4

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.0

1star

178cm 75kg
179cm 73kg
+1cm -2kg

Will Hamill

17

Will Hamill

Age

23

Ht

187cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

3star

MG

135.2

2star

D

8.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

2star

MG

135.2

2star

D

8.8

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

4star

MG

135.2

3star

187cm 75kg
187cm 80kg
+5kg

Jordon Butts
198cm 89kg
198cm 97kg
+8kg

Lachlan Gollant
191cm 70kg
192cm 83kg
+1cm +13kg

Josh Worrell
193cm 86kg
194cm 94kg
+1cm +8kg

Ronin O’connor
190cm 84kg
191cm 92kg
+1cm +8kg

Ben Keays

2

Ben Keays

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.1

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.9

5star

G

0.4

3star

D

13.7

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

5.0

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.7

4star

G

0.3

3star

D

13.0

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.4

2star

T

4.4

5star

G

0.4

3star

185cm 87kg
185cm 89kg
+2kg

Jackson Hately

6

Jackson Hately

Age

23

Ht

191cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.3

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.7

3star

D

14.2

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

5.8

3star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.4

2star

CL

0.4

3star

D

17.2

5star

K

8.6

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

5.6

5star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.8

3star

190cm 83kg
191cm 91kg
+1cm +8kg

Mitch Hinge
190cm 89kg
190cm 91kg
+2kg

Riley Thilthorpe
201cm 100kg
201cm 102kg
+2kg

Brayden Cook
189cm 82kg
190cm 85kg
+1cm +3kg

Sam Berry
181cm 80kg
182cm 83kg
+1cm +3kg

James Rowe
173cm 71kg
173cm 76kg
+5kg

James Borlase
192cm 93kg
192cm 98kg
+5kg


Few thoughts:

Few anomalies like players losing height and or weight probably just explained by error and natural variation.

Good to see most of our young inside mids bulking up. Really gives players like Hately, Keays, and O’Connor a point of difference from Sloane, crouch, laird. Hopefully allows Jones to be more competitive in the contest.

I suspected Hately’s weight of 83kg was wrong last year because there’s no way he put on 8kg over the off-season.

Very happy all of our young KPD’s have stacked on the muscle. We need them to be more competitive this year. Wasn’t sure Butts had it in him given how skinny he was when drafted. I’m bullish on him personally.

Hamill put on some good weight.

Sholl’s and Mchenry’s weight loss seems a little odd. They both look more muscular than last year.

Thilthorpe is huuuuuge

Borlase is an absolute tank

 

[Golumless]

Hey all, been a lurker for way too long. Thought I’d finally create a profile and bestow you with some knowledge.

Player’s measurements have been updated on the AFL app, and nowhere else as of yet. Thought I’d post this because a lot of people were referencing incorrect measurements last year. Which I can only assume is because the AFC website is 2 years out of date for some reason.

Here is a bunch of our younger/inexperienced players who are a notable difference from last year.


Chayce Jones
181cm 81kg
180cm 83kg
-1cm +2kg

Shane Mcadam
183cm 82kg
183cm 79kg
-3kg

Harry Schoenberg
181cm 83kg
182cm 86kg
+1cm +3kg

Lachlan Sholl
187cm 82kg
186cm 80kg
-1cm -2kg

Fischer Mcasey
196cm 89kg
196cm 96kg
+7kg

Ned McHenry
178cm 75kg
179cm 73kg
+1cm -2kg

Will Hamill
187cm 75kg
187cm 80kg
+5kg

Jordon Butts
198cm 89kg
198cm 97kg
+8kg

Lachlan Gollant
191cm 70kg
192cm 83kg
+1cm +13kg

Josh Worrell
193cm 86kg
194cm 94kg
+1cm +8kg

Ronin O’connor
190cm 84kg
191cm 92kg
+1cm +8kg

Ben Keays
185cm 87kg
185cm 89kg
+2kg

Jackson Hately
190cm 83kg
191cm 91kg
+1cm +8kg

Mitch Hinge
190cm 89kg
190cm 91kg
+2kg

Riley Thilthorpe
201cm 100kg
201cm 102kg
+2kg

Brayden Cook
189cm 82kg
190cm 85kg
+1cm +3kg

Sam Berry
181cm 80kg
182cm 83kg
+1cm +3kg

James Rowe
173cm 71kg
173cm 76kg
+5kg

James Borlase
192cm 93kg
192cm 98kg
+5kg


Few thoughts:

Few anomalies like players losing height and or weight probably just explained by error and natural variation.

Good to see most of our young inside mids bulking up. Really gives players like Hately, Keays, and O’Connor a point of difference from Sloane, crouch, laird. Hopefully allows Jones to be more competitive in the contest.

I suspected Hately’s weight of 83kg was wrong last year because there’s no way he put on 8kg over the off-season.

Very happy all of our young KPD’s have stacked on the muscle. We need them to be more competitive this year. Wasn’t sure Butts had it in him given how skinny he was when drafted. I’m bullish on him personally.

Hamill put on some good weight.

Sholl’s and Mchenry’s weight loss seems a little odd. They both look more muscular than last year.

Thilthorpe is huuuuuge

Borlase is an absolute tank

I'd be very curious on Tex, Fog and Himmelbergs numbers this year.

Still, it's good to see Jones get into that 83-84 kg range. Shows he's put the work in. Schoenberg up to 86 kg is also promising, though I doubt you'd want much more to be added to that frame by that point.

8 kg in a year for Hately isn't too unbelievable, after all, Gollant, Worrell, Butts, O'Connor and McAsey are all up by a similar amount.

McHenry losing size though is not good at all. He doesn't have speed as a weapon. It could be possible a loss of weight could be making them look more ripped though, on top of doing the work. Sholl I can certainly live with, after all, he's primarily an outside midfielder and dropping a kg or two might help him find a little bit extra leg speed.

Also good to see Worrell break the 90 kg barrier. Just needs to get rid of the mullet and get some games now.

 

[Ozzie]

Im not a huge fan of them for your "run of the mill" goals which Rowe is guilty of.

A matchwinner or pulling a goal out of your backside.... Go for your life.

A goal is a goal, in today's world you have to get get noticed to get drafted. After getting overlooked for 3 drafts he decided to make sure people knew he had scored.

 

[Mego Red]

I suspect this is it.



I thought about this but it's not an official match, it's it's training session.

I can live stream women's grade cricket one day games on my oled with the Youtube app. This game I'll probably mirror a spare android phone to the tv with horrible results, there will be no casting feature.

Pretty typical AFC behaviour.

So the club goes to the trouble of broadcasting an internal trial game, and we ******* bitch because it's coming through the club app instead of YouTube.

 

[chrisso crow]

Papley type?

Sorry, haven't seen much of Papley play, find Swans game boring as bat shite to watch!

 

[MRB37]

we tend to only draft players that need a couple of years working on their game/body in the SANFL.

They'll play him this year, but there's no point giving him a game in Round 1 just to say we gave him a game if it's going to cause him to miss time later.

 

[skittlebrew]

Until the AFL intervened one of Matt Rowell or Noah Anderson would have been suiting up in a Crows guernsey last year.

So you're saying MFC would've still taken Jackson and we could have gotten Anderson...

 

[hey shorty]

So you're saying MFC would've still taken Jackson and we could have gotten Anderson...

Yeah not sure how he works that out

 

[Bearded Clam]

Not a lot of chatter about young newchurch on this thread.. which is possibly warranted..

Would *ing be stoked if he pops his head up from out of nowhere and kicks 4 goals in the trial match!..

Too much to ask?..

 

[Mutineer]

So you're saying MFC would've still taken Jackson and we could have gotten Anderson...

yep, that's my belief.

Melbourne wanted Jackson from a long way out and got their man.

 

[Peter Doherty]

So the club goes to the trouble of broadcasting an internal trial game, and we ******* b*tch because it's coming through the club app instead of YouTube.

The stream isn't some act of benevolence, it's a way they can pump up the website hits.

Offering up a dated, sub standard stream when they easily could have done the better option. * accessibility, let's get the website hits, they'll be happy with whatever we give them.

It's easy to just dismiss being an internal trial, but it's very AFC, it's part of the culture.

 

[Mutineer]

It'a an internal trial game FFS where Rahilly said today they'll be shifting players around and experimenting... Big deal it's not.

 

[Mutineer]

Not a lot of chatter about young newchurch on this thread.. which is possibly warranted..

Would f*n be stoked if he pops his head up from out of nowhere and kicks 4 goals in the trial match!..

Too much to ask?..

I'd highly doubt he'll be even be playing a full game so I doubt that'll be happening.

 

[Thylacinus]

Hey all, been a lurker for way too long. Thought I’d finally create a profile and bestow you with some knowledge.

Player’s measurements have been updated on the AFL app, and nowhere else as of yet. Thought I’d post this because a lot of people were referencing incorrect measurements last year. Which I can only assume is because the AFC website is 2 years out of date for some reason.

Here is a bunch of our younger/inexperienced players who are a notable difference from last year.


Chayce Jones
181cm 81kg
180cm 83kg
-1cm +2kg

Shane Mcadam
183cm 82kg
183cm 79kg
-3kg

Harry Schoenberg
181cm 83kg
182cm 86kg
+1cm +3kg

Lachlan Sholl
187cm 82kg
186cm 80kg
-1cm -2kg

Fischer Mcasey
196cm 89kg
196cm 96kg
+7kg

Ned McHenry
178cm 75kg
179cm 73kg
+1cm -2kg

Will Hamill
187cm 75kg
187cm 80kg
+5kg

Jordon Butts
198cm 89kg
198cm 97kg
+8kg

Lachlan Gollant
191cm 70kg
192cm 83kg
+1cm +13kg

Josh Worrell
193cm 86kg
194cm 94kg
+1cm +8kg

Ronin O’connor
190cm 84kg
191cm 92kg
+1cm +8kg

Ben Keays
185cm 87kg
185cm 89kg
+2kg

Jackson Hately
190cm 83kg
191cm 91kg
+1cm +8kg

Mitch Hinge
190cm 89kg
190cm 91kg
+2kg

Riley Thilthorpe
201cm 100kg
201cm 102kg
+2kg

Brayden Cook
189cm 82kg
190cm 85kg
+1cm +3kg

Sam Berry
181cm 80kg
182cm 83kg
+1cm +3kg

James Rowe
173cm 71kg
173cm 76kg
+5kg

James Borlase
192cm 93kg
192cm 98kg
+5kg


Few thoughts:

Few anomalies like players losing height and or weight probably just explained by error and natural variation.

Good to see most of our young inside mids bulking up. Really gives players like Hately, Keays, and O’Connor a point of difference from Sloane, crouch, laird. Hopefully allows Jones to be more competitive in the contest.

I suspected Hately’s weight of 83kg was wrong last year because there’s no way he put on 8kg over the off-season.

Very happy all of our young KPD’s have stacked on the muscle. We need them to be more competitive this year. Wasn’t sure Butts had it in him given how skinny he was when drafted. I’m bullish on him personally.

Hamill put on some good weight.

Sholl’s and Mchenry’s weight loss seems a little odd. They both look more muscular than last year.

Thilthorpe is huuuuuge

Borlase is an absolute tank

Thanks for sharing these stats. I know someone who recently lost 15kg in two months dieting and 20kg over four months so fairly rapid intentional weight gains and losses are possible. It is good to see the key position backs, particularity some mobile ones, putting on the weight as that is where our vulnerability is IMHO with Hartigan gone. Obviously they are digesting a fair bit of protein and adding muscle through weights etc.

 

[MarcusP2]

Surely Gollant didn't put on 13kg in a year.

On Pixel 5 using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[MRB37]

Surely Gollant didn't put on 13kg in a year.

On Pixel 5 using BigFooty.com mobile app

Yep.

How Lachlan Gollant shed the ‘skinny kid’ tag

The teenage Crow has added several kilograms to his slender frame

www.afc.com.au

In the space of 13 months, Gollant has added 13 kilograms to his frame, a reward for his consistent diligence and hard work.

The Calder Cannons product said there is no real secret behind his increase in size but admits consistency with his diet and gym work have been key ingredients behind his success.

 

[Thylacinus]

Yep.

How Lachlan Gollant shed the ‘skinny kid’ tag

The teenage Crow has added several kilograms to his slender frame

www.afc.com.au

So with stories like that to back up the stats, it looks like their is a fair bit of validity to the figures we have been given.

 

[Torpedro]

I'd be very curious on Tex, Fog and Himmelbergs numbers this year.

Still, it's good to see Jones get into that 83-84 kg range. Shows he's put the work in. Schoenberg up to 86 kg is also promising, though I doubt you'd want much more to be added to that frame by that point.

8 kg in a year for Hately isn't too unbelievable, after all, Gollant, Worrell, Butts, O'Connor and McAsey are all up by a similar amount.

McHenry losing size though is not good at all. He doesn't have speed as a weapon. It could be possible a loss of weight could be making them look more ripped though, on top of doing the work. Sholl I can certainly live with, after all, he's primarily an outside midfielder and dropping a kg or two might help him find a little bit extra leg speed.

Also good to see Worrell break the 90 kg barrier. Just needs to get rid of the mullet and get some games now.

Walker
194cm 102kg

Himmelberg
200cm 98kg

Fogarty
194cm 99kg

No change from last year for any of them.

Hately's third preseason, drafted 81kg, already looked pretty bulky last year. Just seems a little weird. Not that I care, good to see him put on some size.

 

[spenze]

Hey all, been a lurker for way too long. Thought I’d finally create a profile and bestow you with some knowledge.

Player’s measurements have been updated on the AFL app, and nowhere else as of yet. Thought I’d post this because a lot of people were referencing incorrect measurements last year. Which I can only assume is because the AFC website is 2 years out of date for some reason.

Here is a bunch of our younger/inexperienced players who are a notable difference from last year.


Chayce Jones
181cm 81kg
180cm 83kg
-1cm +2kg

Shane Mcadam
183cm 82kg
183cm 79kg
-3kg

Harry Schoenberg
181cm 83kg
182cm 86kg
+1cm +3kg

Lachlan Sholl
187cm 82kg
186cm 80kg
-1cm -2kg

Fischer Mcasey
196cm 89kg
196cm 96kg
+7kg

Ned McHenry
178cm 75kg
179cm 73kg
+1cm -2kg

Will Hamill
187cm 75kg
187cm 80kg
+5kg

Jordon Butts
198cm 89kg
198cm 97kg
+8kg

Lachlan Gollant
191cm 70kg
192cm 83kg
+1cm +13kg

Josh Worrell
193cm 86kg
194cm 94kg
+1cm +8kg

Ronin O’connor
190cm 84kg
191cm 92kg
+1cm +8kg

Ben Keays
185cm 87kg
185cm 89kg
+2kg

Jackson Hately
190cm 83kg
191cm 91kg
+1cm +8kg

Mitch Hinge
190cm 89kg
190cm 91kg
+2kg

Riley Thilthorpe
201cm 100kg
201cm 102kg
+2kg

Brayden Cook
189cm 82kg
190cm 85kg
+1cm +3kg

Sam Berry
181cm 80kg
182cm 83kg
+1cm +3kg

James Rowe
173cm 71kg
173cm 76kg
+5kg

James Borlase
192cm 93kg
192cm 98kg
+5kg


Few thoughts:

Few anomalies like players losing height and or weight probably just explained by error and natural variation.

Good to see most of our young inside mids bulking up. Really gives players like Hately, Keays, and O’Connor a point of difference from Sloane, crouch, laird. Hopefully allows Jones to be more competitive in the contest.

I suspected Hately’s weight of 83kg was wrong last year because there’s no way he put on 8kg over the off-season.

Very happy all of our young KPD’s have stacked on the muscle. We need them to be more competitive this year. Wasn’t sure Butts had it in him given how skinny he was when drafted. I’m bullish on him personally.

Hamill put on some good weight.

Sholl’s and Mchenry’s weight loss seems a little odd. They both look more muscular than last year.

Thilthorpe is huuuuuge

Borlase is an absolute tank

I understand that the ones who have lost height are now in relationships...

Stooped shoulders "yes dear", takes a bit of your height