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Essendon supporters used to say the same thing about Dean Wallis
Dean Wallis shouldn't be underestimated.
He was our 2nd most important player in the 99 PF!
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Essendon supporters used to say the same thing about Dean Wallis
Surely the daisy story can't be held up as an example of success. 4 or 5 years of absolute dross (due to injury, not effort) for 2 serviceable (but certainly from amazing) years all for millions of dollars and a list spot.
Not sure of Govs contract status (this is possibly his last?) but if he doesn't have a good year I would be moving him on one way or another. Needs to be playing for his football life.
Not really fair comparisons though. Gov v Skaterboi v Mr Immaculate. Fair superhero line up though.See here's the thing - Gov has had injury issues too, including a broken back last preseason if I remember rightly.
And while there are plenty who like to bemoan the wasted money and list spot....none of them did the same for Docherty when he missed two seasons straight. I doubt anyone here even contemplated the issue of how much salary cap space was lost on him.
Ditto Charlie. He's got a high ceiling so everyone is just hanging for him to get fit so we can unleash him and win flags.
Gov? Injury prone, unfit, wasted list spot, wasted money....
Different standards for different players, it seems.
You get 30+ goals out if him then he won't be a bust. I see his value being more the assists than goals. 30 goals would be great.People said the same about Daisy. He came good eventually.
Not sure Gov will ever become a star for us, but hopefully he can get a clean run without injury for a couple of years and provide us with that 30+ goal third tall.
Premiership player Cottrell sounds alright to meEssendon supporters used to say the same thing about Dean Wallis
And knocked the s**t out of mil Hanna in 1993 gfDean Wallis shouldn't be underestimated.
He was our 2nd most important player in the 99 PF!
Gov back fracture was the preseason before last .See here's the thing - Gov has had injury issues too, including a broken back last preseason if I remember rightly.
And while there are plenty who like to bemoan the wasted money and list spot....none of them did the same for Docherty when he missed two seasons straight. I doubt anyone here even contemplated the issue of how much salary cap space was lost on him.
Ditto Charlie. He's got a high ceiling so everyone is just hanging for him to get fit so we can unleash him and win flags.
Gov? Injury prone, unfit, wasted list spot, wasted money....
Different standards for different players, it seems.
See here's the thing - Gov has had injury issues too, including a broken back last preseason if I remember rightly.
And while there are plenty who like to bemoan the wasted money and list spot....none of them did the same for Docherty when he missed two seasons straight. I doubt anyone here even contemplated the issue of how much salary cap space was lost on him.
Ditto Charlie. He's got a high ceiling so everyone is just hanging for him to get fit so we can unleash him and win flags.
Gov? Injury prone, unfit, wasted list spot, wasted money....
Different standards for different players, it seems.
And knocked the sh*t out of mil Hanna in 1993 gf
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Charlie kicked 7 goals in one of his last games , Docherty was AA before the ACL,s , what has Gov done ? 3 games last year he didn't get his first touch of the ball till after half time . No offence but no comparison tbh . Gov will come good this year hopefully for his and all our sakes .See here's the thing - Gov has had injury issues too, including a broken back last preseason if I remember rightly.
And while there are plenty who like to bemoan the wasted money and list spot....none of them did the same for Docherty when he missed two seasons straight. I doubt anyone here even contemplated the issue of how much salary cap space was lost on him.
Ditto Charlie. He's got a high ceiling so everyone is just hanging for him to get fit so we can unleash him and win flags.
Gov? Injury prone, unfit, wasted list spot, wasted money....
Different standards for different players, it seems.
Heard that 12 months ago .
Skaterboi...Not really fair comparisons though. Gov v Skaterboi v Mr Immaculate. Fair superhero line up though.
There's definitely a comparison, if a player can't train, they'll always struggle to perform - a difference in the quality of the player doesn't change that.Charlie kicked 7 goals in one of his last games , Docherty was AA before the ACL,s , what has Gov done ? 3 games last year he didn't get his first touch of the ball till after half time . No offence but no comparison tbh . Gov will come good this year hopefully for his and all our sakes .
Think Gov’s broken back was in pre-season #1 for us, which undoubtedly buggered up his season. He’s been off the boil ever since. Needs to put up the numbers when dragged across on a lucrative contract, which is the point of contention for most I assume and that “responsibility” (or pressure) doesn’t sit well on the shoulders of every recruit.
I’d say it’s the onfield returns re: form that differs between your examples. Chas & Doc have delivered out on the park for CFC, Mitch not so much despite the continued selection (could be to his detriment if not fit at the time for examples such as this one).
The thing is from when he was drafted to now he has already gone past guys like Dow, LOB, Stoker etc he is obviously a limited type of footballer but he is continuing to improve so maybe we are a better side with him in the 22 then some of the higher rated younger players. He may become a handy player in the right roleIm not saying he won't develop into a decent player. Hopefully he does. I want all our players to do well.
But right now he is no Dean Wallis.
Has alot of work to do, and needs to go past quite a few players he is competing for a spot with.
Will be shocked if he is picked round 1.
I think it's more when watching a game Gov often makes silly mistakes or looks like he isn't paying attention/trying.Kind of reinforces my point though.
Year 1 he suffers a fractured back in preseason - for a player whose game is built heavily on flying for marks and crashing packs, I don't think it can be understated how disruptive an injury like that would be. Even post-recovery, there'd be psychological challenges to overcome before he'd feel comfortable playing his natural game.
He then strained a hammy a few months later. I'd imagine it's not a stretch to think that a player coming back from a back injury might be predisposed towards a hamstring injury?
And I think since then it's been a somewhat reoccurring issue, that hamstring.
Maybe it's his rehab and prep, maybe he's not working hard enough. But those sorts of accusations don't seem to get levelled at any other player who suffers repeat injuries. Nobody was pointing the finger at Willo's effort.
Giv hasn't performed for us, but has he really had the chance to? Maybe he won't get it, and his body will fail him (or he'll fail it, who knows). But I'm happy to afford him the same level of patience that Doc, Charlie, Willo and others have had.
It is different standards for different players, it's not a level playing field. Different players put in different effort and get different results. Doc was an AA, Thomas was an AA, both received unlucky severe injuries in no part due to effort. Both have always had a high work ethic.See here's the thing - Gov has had injury issues too, including a broken back last preseason if I remember rightly.
And while there are plenty who like to bemoan the wasted money and list spot....none of them did the same for Docherty when he missed two seasons straight. I doubt anyone here even contemplated the issue of how much salary cap space was lost on him.
Ditto Charlie. He's got a high ceiling so everyone is just hanging for him to get fit so we can unleash him and win flags.
Gov? Injury prone, unfit, wasted list spot, wasted money....
Different standards for different players, it seems.