Teams 2021 St.Kilda Best 22 (assuming all players are fit)

[Veer Right]

Based on this years form I’d strongly disagree, I don’t want him playing on rep/pay packet. If he recaptures even 70-80% of his best then sure but based on their respective 2020s I’ve got Lonie in, again, I preface all of this by saying form, injuries, match ups, essentially we have a squad of 30 that really isn’t diminished by guys rolling in and out.

Ideally i would play them both as i like what they both bring to the team.

 

[Veer Right]

In my ideal world,

FB: Paton Frawley Wilkie
HB: Long Howard Coffield
C: Sinclair Steele Higgins
HF: Billings Marshall Membrey
FF: Lonie King Butler
R: Ryder Crouch Clark

I/C: Gresham, Hannebery, Jones, Battle

EM: Ross, Bytel, Carlisle, Hill

 

[Saintbloke]

Need to get the forward half working better in 2021. King should be better again and he, Butler and Membrey are lock ins for the forward half- the rest is up for grabs IMO.

 

[phantom13]

Ideally i would play them both as i like what they both bring to the team.

There’s definitely a team where they both play, no doubt.

FWIW I suspect Higgins will be looking for more midfield time, if our mid rotation looks like:

Crouch, Steele, Jones
Gresh, Higgins, Hanners, Bytel, Billings

Hill and Clark on the wings

I’m very very happy.

 

[Gosaints12]

I’m gonna do two teams R1 and best.

Best:

FB: Wilkie, Howard, Paton
HB: Coffield, Carsile, Clark
C: Hill, Gresham, Jones
HF: Billings, Membrey, Battle
FF: Butler, King, Marshall
Fol: Ryder, Steele, Crouch
Bch: Long, Ross, Hanners, Higgins
Emer: Highmore, Bytel, Sinclair, Lonie

R1:

FB: Wilkie, Howard, Paton
HB: Coffield, Carsile, Clark
C: Hill, Gresham, Sinclair
HF: Billings, Membrey, Battle
FF: Butler, King, Marshall
Fol: Ryder, Steele, Jones
Bch: Long, Ross, Hanners, Higgins
Emer: Highmore, Bytel, Byrnes, Lonie




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[Stan_Darsh72]

Post FA, Trade and Draft.

Wilkie - Howard - Paton
Long - Carlisle - Coffield
Hill - Steele - Billings
Higgins - Membrey - Gresham
Butler - King - Marshall
Ryder - Jones - Crouch
Battle - Clark - Hanners - Ross

It does seem to be a very even side with Sinclair/Ross/Long arguably being our weakest best 22 players.

Editied for Crouch

 

[phantom13]

Post FA, Trade and Draft.

Wilkie - Howard - Paton
Long - Carlisle - Coffield
Hill - Steele - Billings
Higgins - Membrey - Battle
Butler - King - Marshall
Ryder - Jones - Gresham
Sinclair - Clark - Hanners - Ross

It does seem to be a very even side with Sinclair/Ross/Long arguably being our weakest best 22 players.

I’m not sure if it’s my eyes but no crouch?

 

[Significant]

LIST ANALYSIS
KPD: Howard, Carlisle, Frawley, Highmore, Clavarino (5)
GD: Coffield, Wilkie, Paton, Long, Webster, Roberton, Geary, McKenzie, Connolly (9)
IM: Steele, Crouch, Jones, Ross, Dunstan, Bytel (6)
OM: Hill (1)
BM: Billings, Gresham, Clark, Hannerbery, Higgins, Sinclair, Byrnes (7)
KPF: King, Membrey, McKernan, Allison (4)
GF: Butler, Lonie, Kent (3)
R: Ryder, Marshall, Alabakis (3)
U: Battle, Joyce (2)

SENIORS:
FB: Wilkie - Carlisle - Paton
HB: Coffield - Howard - Long
R: Ryder - Crouch - Jones
C: Hill - Steele - Sinclair
HF: Billings - Marshall - Higgins
FF: Membrey - King - Butler
IC: Gresham - Ross - Clark - Battle

RESERVES:
FB: Clavarino - Frawley - Roberton
HB: Webster - Highmore - Connolly
R: Alabakis - Dunstan - Bytel
C: McKenzie - Hannerbery - Byres
HF: Lonie - Joyce - Kent
FF: Allison - McKernan - Geary
IC: Remaining list spots

Bit to unpack there, but I'm (t)rolling with this....

 

[pebblesofsand]

Locks

Paton - Howard - Wilkie
Clark - Carlisle - Coffield
Billings - Steele - Hill
Butler - Marshall - *****
Gresham - King - Membery

Ryder - B.Crouch - Jones

Hannebery / Ross /Battle/ ???????

****** - Higgins/Lonie

??????? - Long, Geary, Webster, Robbo, Highmore, Sinclair, Bytel, Kent ??????

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I’m not sure if it’s my eyes but no crouch?

Crouch is on the couch.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

I’m not sure if it’s my eyes but no crouch?

Completly forgot about him

 

[phantom13]

LIST ANALYSIS
KPD: Howard, Carlisle, Frawley, Highmore, Clavarino (5)
GD: Coffield, Wilkie, Paton, Long, Webster, Roberton, Geary, McKenzie, Connolly (9)
IM: Steele, Crouch, Jones, Ross, Dunstan, Bytel (6)
OM: Hill (1)
BM: Billings, Gresham, Clark, Hannerbery, Higgins, Sinclair, Byrnes (7)
KPF: King, Membrey, McKernan, Allison (4)
GF: Butler, Lonie, Kent (3)
R: Ryder, Marshall, Alabakis (3)
U: Battle, Joyce (2)

SENIORS:
FB: Wilkie - Carlisle - Paton
HB: Coffield - Howard - Long
R: Ryder - Crouch - Jones
C: Hill - Steele - Sinclair
HF: Billings - Marshall - Higgins
FF: Membrey - King - Butler
IC: Gresham - Ross - Clark - Battle

RESERVES:
FB: Clavarino - Frawley - Roberton
HB: Webster - Highmore - Connolly
R: Alabakis - Dunstan - Bytel
C: McKenzie - Hannerbery - Byres
HF: Lonie - Joyce - Kent
FF: Allison - McKernan - Geary
IC: Remaining list spots

Bit to unpack there, but I'm (t)rolling with this....

Honestly that twos team is pretty high quality too, AFL, VFL, AFLW flags too much to ask?

 

[Jade Buddha]

Lonie is the one for me that isn’t a walk up. He needs to produce consistently and yes this has improved, particularly last year.

 

[Barrels]

SENIORS
FB: Wilkie - Howard - Paton
HB: Long - Carlisle - Coffield
RK: Ryder - Crouch - Steele (c)
CR: Hill - Jones - Clark
HF: Billings - Membrey - Gresham
FF: Butler - King - Marshall
IC: Higgins Battle Hannebery Ross

RESERVES
FB: Roberton - Frawley - Webster
HB: Geary - Clavarino - Highmore
RK: Alabakis - Dunstan - Bytel
CR: McKenzie - Sinclair - Connolly
HF: Byrnes - Allison - Kent
FF: Lonie - Joyce - McKernan
IC: ....

 

[lewdogs]

Based on this years form I’d strongly disagree, I don’t want him playing on rep/pay packet. If he recaptures even 70-80% of his best then sure but based on their respective 2020s I’ve got Lonie in, again, I preface all of this by saying form, injuries, match ups, essentially we have a squad of 30 that really isn’t diminished by guys rolling in and out.

Have a look at Higgins's 2020 stats. He actually had a pretty good season.

 

[phantom13]

Have a look at Higgins's 2020 stats. He actually had a pretty good season.

Lowest averages in everything for his career.

Granted shorter quarters but 10 games in a team that had to carry some pretty average performing small forwards.

I stand by it. Based on 2020 he doesn’t dislodge Lonie in MY team.

 

[Armoooo]

Lowest averages in everything for his career.

Granted shorter quarters but 10 games in a team that had to carry some pretty average performing small forwards.

I stand by it. Based on 2020 he doesn’t dislodge Lonie in MY team.

Here are his year on year stats (after you have adjusted for the shorter quarters in 2020:

	Higgins 2018	Higgins 2019	Higgins 2020	Lonie 2020	Lonie PB
Kicks	7.5	9.2	11.1	9.1	9.8 (2019)
Handballs	8.7	7.5	7	3.5	5.8 (2017)
Marks	2.8	3	4.5	4.2	4.1 (2018)
Tackles	2.5	3	2.1	2.6	4 (2017)
Goals	.8	.7	.6	1.1	1.4 (2018)
Behinds	.7	.3	.9	.6	1.5 (2019)
Inside 50's	2.1	2.7	3.5	2.2	2.5 (2019)
Assists	.8	.6	.5	.5	1 (2018)
Score Involvements	5.6	5	5.5	4.6	6.3 (2018)
Stoppage Clearances	1.1	.6	1.1	.5	.9 (2017)

What these numbers indicate to me are we are seeing a plyer move away from a first year crumbing forward to a player that is moving further up the ground. Instead of simply being there to pick up the scraps, he is becoming more of a player that is a part of the chain during the transition from the middle of the ground to the forwardline.

Now there are certainly some signs of stagnation there, but given what the young bloke has been through, it is actually quite remarkable how quickly he has bounced back.

Lonie on the other hand has stagnated across 2017-2020. He has been slightly more damaging on the score board than Higgins, but that has been a bigger part of Lonie's role than it has been, or will be for Higgins.

IMO, Lonie isn't competing with Higgins for a spot, he is competing, and well behind Butler.

I love the little guy, but going forward, unless something drastic changes, Lonie is a depth player. Higgins may not make it, but if he does end up a bust, I think we would be likely to see more of Gresh / Billings / Steel (for stints) playing forward than we would be to see Lonie become a permanent fixture going forward.

 

[phantom13]

I think if he’s competing for a midfield spot he’s even further back.

Again, I’m not saying he doesn’t play, I’m saying in my 22, that I picked based on his 2020 form he’s not there. Given the obvious talent and the fact he has been recovering from brain surgery I have no doubt (and sincere hope) that he recovers to be the player I think we know he’s capable of being and after a solid pre season he probably de thrones Lonie, Billings and even Gresh.

You want him in your 22 cool, I hope he’s in the one the match committee picks, to me, right now, he’s not.

 

[ScrappyDo]

With the new limits to interchange, i don't mind our list.

a) It could make an argument for Geary to be in the side, will Ben's tank be big enough to run out games?
b) We have the likes of Gresham , Higgins, Steele, and Billings, who can lower their workload ( i don't think the word "rest" really applies in the modern game ) in the forward line.
c) Some of our big guys seem to have a good tank, Battle certainly, but Marshal is no slouch either.
d) Hill is renowned for his end of quarter efforts.

I don't envy them in the pre-season with some of them needing to improve their tank. Could also make it hard for Dunstan to get a game.

I'm pretty sure Pato's tank is pretty good.
It only needs to be as good as the bloke he's minding, and defense being more structured it lends to efficiency of movement anyway.

I'm not in the camp of believing reduced interchange demands more fitness from already elite level fitness sportsmen.

IMO it places an extra premium on maintaining possession and controlling tempo.
Skills skills skills, and some line breakers like Hill, Jones, Long and Coff.

 

[OxSaint]

Best 22:

B: Paton Howard Wilkie
HB: Coff Carlisle Clark
C: Hill Crouch Hanners
HF: Gresh Membrey Billings
F: Butler King Marshall
Fol: Ryder Steele Jones

Int: Long Higgins Battle Sinclair
Emg: Ross Geary Frawley Mckernan

Can’t see Ross and Geary left out they wouldn’t be in my best 22 unless we play Carlton or Bulldogs and Geary comes in to pants Doc/Daniel or Johanisson.

Seb Ross gets 2 rounds to prove he is in our best 22 before Crouch is available.

 

[scotteydog]

Round 1 Team:

B. Paton Howard Roberton
H.B. Coffield Carlisle Webster
C. Hill Clark Jones
H.F. Billings Marshall Butler
F. Gresham King Membrey
Foll. Ryder Steele Higgins
Inter. Battle, Hannebery, Ross, Wilkie

 

[Stewart66]

SENIORS
FB: Wilkie - Howard - Paton
HB: Long - Carlisle - Coffield
RK: Ryder - Crouch - Steele (c)
CR: Hill - Jones - Clark
HF: Billings - Membrey - Gresham
FF: Butler - King - Marshall
IC: Higgins Battle Hannebery Ross

RESERVES
FB: Roberton - Frawley - Webster
HB: Geary - Clavarino - Highmore
RK: Alabakis - Dunstan - Bytel
CR: McKenzie - Sinclair - Connolly
HF: Byrnes - Allison - Kent
FF: Lonie - Joyce - McKernan
IC: ....


Will be hoping for something different first couple of rounds in the Seniors .



FB Paton Frawley Howard
HB. Coffield. Carlisle Clark
CR. Billings Bytel Hill
HF. Membrey King Butler
FF. Marshall Battle Gresham.
RK. Ryder Steele Jones
IC . Higgins Hannebery Long Wilkie.

 

[t_94]

I know midfield spots are tight but should look to be moving Clark in to the midfield full time as he’s going in to his fourth year.

He will be the second best player at the club behind #12 and one of the better midfielders in the competition.

 

[Gosaints12]

Merry Christmas lads. After the boys return from the New Years break, I’ll be getting pumped.



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[L_W_P]

Round 1 team:

Crouch (Susp)
Long (Inj)

FB: Paton - Frawley - Wilkie
HB: Coffield - Howard - Billings
C: Hill - Steele - Clark
HF: Higgins - King - Gresham
FF: Butler - Marshall - Membrey
R: Ryder - Jones - Hannebery
I: Battle - Ross - Sinclair* - Bytel*

Billings started getting a fair bit of footy in defence towards the end of last year so I'd like to see how he goes there, for a couple of weeks anyway. Basically swap him with Clark. Rotating all of Clark, Hill and Billings through halfback (kick outs?), the wing, and resting deep forward instead of the bench, could give us several new avenues to attack.

If Longy is fit for round one then he plays in that spot but I would still like to see JB rotate through there and take some kick in duties.

Bytel plays anytime one of Crouch or Hanners is out.
Sinclair next in.
Byrnes 3rd cab, pending form.

I love Dunstan and I think he is a solid player but we have that covered with Hanners, Crouch and Steele while also developing Byrnes and Bytel. Sinclair does more on the outside and Ross has been shown to be the preferred run with option so Luke is well down the order.