2021 Trade/Free Agent Targets

Throw all the money at?

  • Josh Kelly

    Votes: 10 16.4%
  • Merrett

    Votes: 21 34.4%
  • Kelly and Merrett

    Votes: 24 39.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 6 9.8%

  • Total voters
    61

Remove this Banner Ad

Strapping Young Lad

previously grumbleguts
Apr 19, 2006
69,251
133,223
Your local Satanist Cabal
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Other Teams
Spurs, Socceroos
I mean, I know it’s hard for some people, but can we not do the “we need to trade into the first round” thing in here.

😞

It's also not the thread to discuss current Hawthorn players and if they are in form or not, and whether they’re tradeable.

Trade targets. Trade targets. Trade targets.

That means players at other clubs, and our interest in them going forward.
 

Leather Poisoning

Hall of Famer
Jun 19, 2007
34,159
39,726
On the south side now
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Other Teams
nil
Some free agents are worth paying massive for:
- Tom Lynch
- Dustin Martin (yes I know he leveraged a bidding war and never left)
- Paddy Dangerfield (yes I know he was traded)
- Josh Kelly
- James Frawley
- Lance Franklin

Some are not:
- Nick Dal Santo
- Eddie Betts
- Zach Merrett
- Tom Rockliff

A free agent where you have to pay an extra 30% compared to what you'd have to pay if they were home-grown, needs to be able to transform your onfield results like the people in the first list.
 

Judd2Sewell

Brownlow Medallist
Aug 31, 2008
13,702
19,910
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Other Teams
Nuggets
Some free agents are worth paying massive for:
- Tom Lynch
- Dustin Martin (yes I know he leveraged a bidding war and never left)
- Paddy Dangerfield (yes I know he was traded)
- Josh Kelly
- James Frawley
- Lance Franklin

Some are not:
- Nick Dal Santo
- Eddie Betts
- Zach Merrett
- Tom Rockliff

A free agent where you have to pay an extra 30% compared to what you'd have to pay if they were home-grown, needs to be able to transform your onfield results like the people in the first list.
What makes you say Zerrett isn't worth paying up for.

And why was Frawley worth paying overs for? We didn't pay overs for him, we actually offered less than Geelong. Take that to the bank.
 

Log in to remove this ad.

Stratton24

Club Legend
Aug 29, 2003
1,776
2,461
Melbourne
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Some free agents are worth paying massive for:
- Tom Lynch
- Dustin Martin (yes I know he leveraged a bidding war and never left)
- Paddy Dangerfield (yes I know he was traded)
- Josh Kelly
- James Frawley
- Lance Franklin

Some are not:
- Nick Dal Santo
- Eddie Betts
- Zach Merrett
- Tom Rockliff

A free agent where you have to pay an extra 30% compared to what you'd have to pay if they were home-grown, needs to be able to transform your onfield results like the people in the first list.
Frawley was a bargain at what we paid him
 

Luv_our_club

Norm Smith Medallist
Feb 14, 2017
6,616
12,463
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Eventually sure, but that’s well after those front ended contracts from 3-4 years ago have run their full life. We don’t do very long contracts

The only clubs to have gone more years than us without winning a final are Gold Coast, Essendon and Carlton (Freo and North 2015 also). That inevitably means we have been overpaying players for 5 years in order to meet the same cap as better sides, including this year once again

Next year will be the same if all we do is pay our current list to meet the cap because the current list is poor. Better to pay a free agent to actually improve the list.
When our team is bottom of the ladder, we can bank some money in the cap for the future; and also front load some contracts

I don't mind paying overs to pull a young player from their club, like pulling Gunston, or Allir, or Charlie Cameron

Pulling a player like T. Lynch - i would not want to do something like that until we are on the cusp of winning a flag. Paying super contracts can backfire if the team doesn't improve and it also can have unwanted consequences among the player managers.

i am really conscious of clubs topping up too soon. Like St Kilda, Carlton, Melbourne (3 years ago). St Kilda and Carlton have especially mucked it up. They needed a few more years of drafting young talent.

The ideal situation is to wait until players are tripping over themselves to come to us and we get them cheap - like Frawley.
 

daniel23

Club Legend
Mar 19, 2006
1,487
2,459
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Just because Richmond are the most successful club over last few years doesn't mean they are going to get everything right.with every player.

On SM-G950F using BigFooty.com mobile app
And just because clarko has 4 flags doesn't mean he can turn an average player into a good one all the time. Richmond have the perfect game plan for small players to take advantage of its quick chaotic and if lynch isn't marking it he is getting the ball to ground .
 

eldorado

Previously eldorado
Oct 18, 2003
13,357
30,204
Melbourne
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Other Teams
Athletic Bilbao
What makes you say Zerrett isn't worth paying up for.

And why was Frawley worth paying overs for? We didn't pay overs for him, we actually offered less than Geelong. Take that to the bank.
And Melbourne got Pick 3 as compo for our 3 year, @$1-1.2 million contract with Frawley.

We got Pick 19 as compo...for Buddy's 9 year $10 million deal with Sydney

Hawthorn - Rorting Free Agency Since Ever
 

H00t

Team Captain
Sep 28, 2019
597
936
AFL Club
Hawthorn
And just because clarko has 4 flags doesn't mean he can turn an average player into a good one all the time. Richmond have the perfect game plan for small players to take advantage of its quick chaotic and if lynch isn't marking it he is getting the ball to ground .
Add in the fact that in the tigers system Castagna and aarts almost look like competent footballers. Rioli should be dominating, it’s all stacked in his favour and he hasn’t been able to do it.
 

Hodgey 15

Club Legend
Aug 2, 2013
2,013
4,695
AFL Club
Hawthorn
And just because clarko has 4 flags doesn't mean he can turn an average player into a good one all the time. Richmond have the perfect game plan for small players to take advantage of its quick chaotic and if lynch isn't marking it he is getting the ball to ground .
I didn't say because Clarko has won 4 flags he'll automatically turn guys like Rioli into better players. You must know yourself the club has a great record of bringing players in and making them better players. IMO Rioli potentially could be a better player under Clarko.
 

HAWKSBESTEVA

Club Legend
Jun 14, 2020
2,095
3,700
AFL Club
Hawthorn
I didn't say because Clarko has won 4 flags he'll automatically turn guys like Rioli into better players. You must know yourself the club has a great record of bringing players in and making them better players. IMO Rioli potentially could be a better player under Clarko.
Dude Richmond system is legit built for players like Rioli to thrive in. He certainly won’t thrive in our forward line. He is lazy and just not good. The surname is the only
thing keeping him in the afl
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

Topiary

Premium Platinum
Jul 22, 2016
3,146
15,838
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Not sure that he is.

We need topline mids to be added to our group, not more fringe players with average pace and a questionable ceiling.
Sorry but Lipinski is a player we have had interest in and I understand we want to pursue. Please advise who are other similar players on our List that are dazzling right now. None !!

Can we please seperate individual players as part of an overall strategy of OVERALL List improvement. In other words he won’t be top priority but at the right price we would be into him big time is what I am told.
 

Strapping Young Lad

previously grumbleguts
Apr 19, 2006
69,251
133,223
Your local Satanist Cabal
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Other Teams
Spurs, Socceroos
Sorry but Lipinski is a player we have had interest in and I understand we want to pursue. Please advise who are other similar players on our List that are dazzling right now. None !!

Can we please seperate individual players as part of an overall strategy of OVERALL List improvement. In other words he won’t be top priority but at the right price we would be into him big time is what I am told.
If we want to build depth through the middle, sure.

But we need A graders in the middle with pace. He’s currently far from that, and it’s arguable that he ever would be.
 

HAWKSBESTEVA

Club Legend
Jun 14, 2020
2,095
3,700
AFL Club
Hawthorn
If we want to build depth through the middle, sure.

But we need A graders in the middle with pace. He’s currently far from that, and it’s arguable that he ever would be.
He averaged 22 touches and kicked 11 goals a few years ago when he would get some mid field time. He certainly hasn’t looked slow when ive watched him. He would be a great pickup and with some more mid time he would be a 25-27 touch player and kick 12-15 goals. Don’t mind him at the right price. Good size too at 190cm and 85kg
 

Steven Tyler

Norm Smith Medallist
Aug 16, 2009
8,205
16,376
Right behind you!
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Sorry but Lipinski is a player we have had interest in and I understand we want to pursue. Please advise who are other similar players on our List that are dazzling right now. None !!

Can we please seperate individual players as part of an overall strategy of OVERALL List improvement. In other words he won’t be top priority but at the right price we would be into him big time is what I am told.
If by “right price” you mean future 4th then maybe, ..........just

He ain’t that good
 

Brishawk

Brownlow Medallist
Jan 17, 2008
21,975
38,221
Brisvegas
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Our list is in a position where we can’t afford to only be looking for “A grade” players. We need to add depth and variety through the midfield. Very pleasing to hear the club has an interest in Lipinski.
Yeah we need depth. Imagine our midfield without jom and Mitchell...would be worst in the league by a mile. Plus we need to find more players to run through the middle.
 

Blackhawk42

Norm Smith Medallist
Feb 5, 2018
5,886
11,383
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Other Teams
Chicago Blackhawks Melb Renegades
Disagree personally, i am a pretty big fan.

He has something about him and i think he has decent scope for improvement as well.
I like him, but he is mostly comparable to Harry Morrison on our list which isn't the type of player we need desperately. I'd have him, but it would be a Tom Phillips type acquisition instead of the gun midfield acquisition we require.
 

Strapping Young Lad

previously grumbleguts
Apr 19, 2006
69,251
133,223
Your local Satanist Cabal
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Other Teams
Spurs, Socceroos
Yeah we need depth. Imagine our midfield without jom and Mitchell...would be worst in the league by a mile. Plus we need to find more players to run through the middle.
It’s true, we need depth.

But we ultimately need more class at the top, which will keep others out like Cousins, Howe, Maginness or Shiels, thus creating depth.
For example, if you add Merrett and Pick 2, to the mix and we all of sudden don’t have Howe or Shiels in the side and our depth looks much better.

So I think you should always try to add to the top of the talent pyramid, rather than to the middle, and I’m not sure Lipinski is really ever going to be much more than a B-C grade player.

But again, if he’s easily attained without restricting our draft hand, sure, get him.

I don’t think hes “exactly what we need” though, as we need A graders.
 

Remove this Banner Ad