2021 Trade/Free Agent Targets

[Strapping Young Lad]

I mean, I know it’s hard for some people, but can we not do the “we need to trade into the first round” thing in here.



It's also not the thread to discuss current Hawthorn players and if they are in form or not, and whether they’re tradeable.

Trade targets. Trade targets. Trade targets.

That means players at other clubs, and our interest in them going forward.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Yeah we need depth. Imagine our midfield without jom and Mitchell...would be worst in the league by a mile. Plus we need to find more players to run through the middle.

It’s true, we need depth.

But we ultimately need more class at the top, which will keep others out like Cousins, Howe, Maginness or Shiels, thus creating depth.
For example, if you add Merrett and Pick 2, to the mix and we all of sudden don’t have Howe or Shiels in the side and our depth looks much better.

So I think you should always try to add to the top of the talent pyramid, rather than to the middle, and I’m not sure Lipinski is really ever going to be much more than a B-C grade player.

But again, if he’s easily attained without restricting our draft hand, sure, get him.

I don’t think hes “exactly what we need” though, as we need A graders.

 

[chopflop]

For mine Lipinski is a good target. He would walk into our 22 so if he doesn't cost too much... It's a no - brainer. If it is one of our seconds, I wouldn't be keen at all. Future 3rd? Sign me up.

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

It’s true, we need depth.

But we ultimately need more class at the top, which will keep others out like Cousins, Howe, Maginness or Shiels, thus creating depth.
For example, if you add Merrett and Pick 2, to the mix and we all of sudden don’t have Howe or Shiels in the side and our depth looks much better.

So I think you should always try to add to the top of the talent pyramid, rather than to the middle, and I’m not sure Lipinski is really ever going to be much more than a B-C grade player.

But again, if he’s easily attained without restricting our draft hand, sure, get him.

I don’t think hes “exactly what we need” though, as we need A graders.

yeah that's the contingency of all this

if he comes without compromising our draft heavily then it's a good get as our side does need more depth

but if it were to cost, say, our 2nd rounder this year, I wouldn't do it

 

[MJA33]

Our list is in a position where we can’t afford to only be looking for “A grade” players. We need to add depth and variety through the midfield. Very pleasing to hear the club has an interest in Lipinski.

Agree - the A grade players are going to come from the next few years drafts (to go with potential Day and DGB) adding quality depth to go with this is important.

 

[Billyc]

I think most agree that we need class and elite players in the midfield and will not contend until we find some. The way for us to obtain is through free agency (ie Merrett) and the draft. No way should we be trading for one (unless a Rowell, Smith type somehow popped up). We have gone down that path and it’s hurt us badly.

But we should be looking at undervalued players who could improve our starting 22 over a number of years and who we could get for a decent trade. Preserving our draft capital is essential. I see Lipinski as the type of guy we could target and obtain with an early 3rd round pick and provide us with better service than we get from many guys in our 22. He’s young enough to play a role for years and is just feeling the squeeze in the deepest midfield in the comp.

 

[LMGjr]

Some free agents are worth paying massive for:
- Tom Lynch
- Dustin Martin (yes I know he leveraged a bidding war and never left)
- Paddy Dangerfield (yes I know he was traded)
- Josh Kelly
- James Frawley

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- Lance Franklin

Some are not:
- Nick Dal Santo

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- Eddie Betts
- Zach Merrett
- Tom Rockliff

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A free agent where you have to pay an extra 30% compared to what you'd have to pay if they were home-grown, needs to be able to transform your onfield results like the people in the first list.

Agree.

Nothing more to say about it.

The others are just cogs in the wheel.

You forgot Cameron, he was worth the extra "30%" so GWS wouldn't match - but they did, oh well.

 

[Xmc08]

I like him, but he is mostly comparable to Harry Morrison on our list which isn't the type of player we need desperately. I'd have him, but it would be a Tom Phillips type acquisition instead of the gun midfield acquisition we require.

Did you watch the VFL game last night?

Lipinski is the Scott Pendlebury/Nick Dal Santo type midfielder; oozes class with every possession and has that elite poise in traffic. The doggies have been trying to play him on the wing and across half forward at AFL level, but it just isn't his role. They can't play him in the middle because there are no spots.

He will be one of the bargains of the trade period this year. I'm hoping Geelong pick him up because our class in the middle is starting to wear thin.

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[Brishawk]

It’s true, we need depth.

But we ultimately need more class at the top, which will keep others out like Cousins, Howe, Maginness or Shiels, thus creating depth.
For example, if you add Merrett and Pick 2, to the mix and we all of sudden don’t have Howe or Shiels in the side and our depth looks much better.

So I think you should always try to add to the top of the talent pyramid, rather than to the middle, and I’m not sure Lipinski is really ever going to be much more than a B-C grade player.

But again, if he’s easily attained without restricting our draft hand, sure, get him.

I don’t think hes “exactly what we need” though, as we need A graders.

Beggars can’t be choosers though. Obviously if you can get Merrett you get him. But I’m open to recruiting guys that can fill some spaces for a while until we can get someone better. Especially if they are squeezed out of a good side and have some potential upside left.

 

[Cyzzametimbres]

Would take lipinksi and McLean for the right price. McLean should be worth a 4th rounder. Couldn’t get a game then out for a year with an acl. The year before all that he was playing some good footy.

 

[TylerDurden]

Future 4th pls.

 

[burner1]

Lipinski has talent and can kick but biggest issue is he’s slow. Unless he’s a 4th (unlikely) better to spend our limited trade chips elsewhere and back in downie etc.

I’d be also concerned at the current time in filling side up with b/c graders that further limits space for actual youth to come through (particularly if hit draft hard).

 

[Xmc08]

Lipinski has talent and can kick but biggest issue is he’s slow. Unless he’s a 4th (unlikely) better to spend our limited trade chips elsewhere and back in downie etc.

I’d be also concerned at the current time in filling side up with b/c graders that further limits space for actual youth to come through (particularly if hit draft hard).

A slow midfielder with elite disposal, great decision making skills and excellent poise in traffic.

...sounds familiar... some old hawthorn player. What was his name again? Sam...who?

 

[Steven Tyler]

A slow midfielder with elite disposal, great decision making skills and excellent poise in traffic.

...sounds familiar... some old hawthorn player. What was his name again? Sam...who?

Yeah, true, Sam Menagola was a rookie for a while at Hawthorn

 

[Luv_our_club]

Yeah, true, Sam Menagola was a rookie for a while at Hawthorn

X Eliis said that Menagola was the golden boy at Hawthorn. The coaches loved him. We really didn't want to lose him but we could only offer a 1 year contract.

 

[Topiary]

He’s going to be a good solid player, but he isn’t the clsss that we need.

Agree. But the List needs this type. Yes he ain’t elite and of course we need elite, my point, we get his type PLUS the elite.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Also, I refuse to call him Zerrett.
Don't pull that kinda junk around me.

 

[MJA33]

Agree. But the List needs this type. Yes he ain’t elite and of course we need elite, my point, we get his type PLUS the elite.

This is exactly the way I see it also!

 

[TylerDurden]

Also, I refuse to call him Zerrett.
Don't pull that kinda junk around me.

If we get him, can we ban Zezz on this forum pls??

 

[Leather Poisoning]

If we get him, can we ban Zezz on this forum pls??

Autocorrect Zerrett to Zachariah B Merrett Jnr Jnr

 

[Brishawk]

If we get him, can we ban Zezz on this forum pls??

Don’t you take Zezza from me!

 

[MrPremiership]

X Eliis said that Menagola was the golden boy at Hawthorn. The coaches loved him. We really didn't want to lose him but we could only offer a 1 year contract.

why could they only offer Menegola a 1 year deal?

 

[Stratton24]

why could they only offer Menegola a 1 year deal?

We only had a rookie space available. Freo promised him a senior spot so he quit. Freo then went back on the promise and he ended up on their rookie list and got delisted from them.

 

[Steven Tyler]

Agree. But the List needs this type. Yes he ain’t elite and of course we need elite, my point, we get his type PLUS the elite.

We have more than enough good solid players
We are severely lacking quality players

 

[burner1]

Way to early to be spending our limited draft trade currency on b/c graders. Got to start swinging for some elite talent and hoping for some good picks late turning good. Once we have enough elite talent it’s a lot easier to backfill with trades.