Strategy 2021 Trade Hypotheticals

Lore · Oct 11, 2021

Time to vote!

Please vote in the poll above. Anyone can vote, but if you have entered you may not vote for yourself.

Votes close at the end of trade period (7.30pm AEDT on Wednesday).

No future picks or free agency compo nonsense, but something for everyone to complain about.

Team	Out	In
Adelaide	Strachan, Talia, 23	Stevens, West
Brisbane	Mathieson, Smith, 15, 47, 52	Hopper
Carlton	SPS, Fisher, Weitering, 6	Cerra, Tucker, 1, 38
Collingwood	Maynard, Lynch	Mathieson, Weiderman, 28, 48, 52
Essendon	11, 48	Battle, 23
Fremantle	Cerra, Tucker	SPS, 6, 24
Geelong	Clark, Narkle	Brander, Talia, Lynch
Gold Coast	22	CCJ
GWS	Hopper, 49	11, 17
Hawthorn	24	Fisher, 40
Melbourne	Weideman	Wallis
North Melbourne	Tarrant, 1, 38	Weitering, 26
Port Adelaide	17	Dawson
Richmond	CCJ, 26, 28, 40	Lipinski, Narkle, 15
St. Kilda	Battle	Smith, 32
Sydney	Dawson, Stevens, 32	14, 22
West Coast	Brander, 29, 36	Clark, Maynard
Western Dogs	Lipinski, West, Wallis, 14	Strachan, Tarrant, 29, 36, 47, 49

Team	Out	In
Adelaide	Strachan, 37	Stephens
Brisbane	15, 18	12, Future 2nd (Fre), Future 2nd (Port)
Carlton	6, 25, Fisher	Cerra, 49
Collingwood	Lynch	46
Essendon	Shiel, Future 1st	20, Dunkley
Fremantle	Cerra, Schultz, Future 2nd	6, Future 1st (Mel), Fisher
Geelong	Clark, Narkle, 35	Brander, Ceglar, 25
Gold Coast	22, 43	Ladhams + 31
GWS	2, 13	1, 26
Hawthorn	24, Ceglar	Lynch, Schultz
Melbourne	Future 1st, Weideman	15, 43
North Melbourne	1, 20	2, 13, Weideman
Port Adelaide	Future 2nd, Ladhams	Shiel
Richmond	26	37, Narkle
St. Kilda	Battle, 46	24
Sydney	Stephens, 12, 31	18, 22, Lipinski
West Coast	Brander, 29, 36, 49	14, Clark
Western Bulldogs	14, Lipinski, Dunkley	Strachan, 29, 35, 36, Future 1st (Ess)

Team	In	Out
Adelaide	Tom Hutchesson	Tom Doedee
Brisbane	Zach Sproule	Harris Andrews
Carlton	Cam Fleeton	Jacob Weitering
Collingwood	Shane Mumford	Brodie Grundy
Essendon	Sam J. Reid	Andrew McGrath
Fremantle	Stephen Congilio (paying full contract)	Caleb Serong & Andrew Brayshaw 8 Andrew Brayshaw Age 26 Ht 185cm Wt 88kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 16.8 4 K 7.6 3 HB 9.3 5 M 2.6 3 T 4.8 5 CL 2.1 4 D 18.4 4 K 7.6 3 HB 10.8 5 M 3.3 3 T 4.8 5 CL 3.1 4 D 12.6 4 K 6.0 3 HB 6.6 4 M 2.6 3 T 4.0 5 CL 0.8 3 (also paying full contract)
Geelong	Jake Stein	Tom Stewart
Gold Coast	Kieran Briggs	Ben King
GWS	Tom Doedee, Harris Andrews 31 Harris Andrews Age 29 Ht 200cm Wt 98kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 12.8 3 K 7.4 3 HB 5.4 4 M 5.6 5 T 1.6 4 MG 151.7 2 D 17.0 4 K 9.0 4 HB 8.0 4 M 4.0 4 T 2.0 3 D 9.8 3 K 5.0 2 HB 4.8 4 M 3.4 4 T 1.6 4 MG 94.0 2 , Jacob Weitering 23 Jacob Weitering Age 28 Ht 195cm Wt 102kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 13.8 4 K 9.1 4 HB 4.7 3 M 5.6 5 T 1.3 3 MG 189.4 3 No current season stats available D 16.8 4 K 10.8 4 HB 6.0 4 M 6.0 5 T 0.8 3 MG 263.4 4 , Brodie Grundy 4 Brodie Grundy Age 32 Ht 202cm Wt 105kg Pos. Ruck Career Season Last 5 D 17.5 4 K 8.0 3 HB 9.6 5 CL 4.1 5 HO 32.0 5 D 16.4 4 K 6.8 3 HB 9.6 5 CL 4.0 5 HO 34.6 5 D 13.8 4 K 5.2 2 HB 8.6 5 CL 2.6 5 HO 20.6 5 , Andrew McGrath 1 Andrew Mcgrath Age 27 Ht 180cm Wt 83kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 22.7 5 K 11.6 4 HB 11.1 5 M 1.6 2 T 6.4 5 MG 252.9 4 D 22.7 5 K 11.6 4 HB 11.1 5 M 1.6 2 T 6.4 5 MG 252.9 4 D 22.0 5 K 11.0 4 HB 11.0 5 M 1.2 2 T 6.4 5 MG 219.0 4 , Caleb Serong 3 Caleb Serong Age 25 Ht 180cm Wt 87kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 13.0 3 K 7.0 3 HB 6.0 4 M 1.8 2 T 3.6 5 CL 2.6 4 D 13.0 3 K 7.0 3 HB 6.0 3 M 1.8 2 T 3.6 4 CL 2.6 4 D 13.0 4 K 7.0 3 HB 6.0 4 M 1.8 2 T 3.6 5 CL 2.6 5 (paying 0 salary), Tom Stewart, Ben King, Will Day, Luke Jackson 9 Luke Jackson Age 24 Ht 199cm Wt 102kg Pos. F/R Career Season Last 5 D 8.3 2 K 3.3 1 HB 5.0 4 M 1.5 2 T 1.0 3 G 0.3 3 D 8.3 2 K 3.3 1 HB 5.0 3 M 1.5 2 T 1.0 2 G 0.3 3 D 8.3 3 K 3.3 2 HB 5.0 4 M 1.5 2 T 1.0 3 G 0.3 3 , Tarryn Thomas 26 Tarryn Thomas Age 26 Ht 190cm Wt 83kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 11.0 3 K 5.3 2 HB 5.7 4 M 2.1 2 T 3.3 5 CL 0.9 3 D 7.8 2 K 4.0 1 HB 3.8 3 M 1.3 1 T 3.2 4 CL 0.2 2 D 12.8 4 K 6.2 3 HB 6.6 4 M 2.8 3 T 3.8 5 CL 0.4 3 , Zak Butters 9 Zak Butters Age 25 Ht 181cm Wt 77kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 14.3 4 K 7.7 3 HB 6.7 4 M 3.0 3 T 2.6 4 CL 0.8 3 D 14.7 4 K 8.9 4 HB 5.9 3 M 3.9 4 T 2.9 4 CL 1.1 3 D 17.0 5 K 9.0 4 HB 8.0 5 M 3.6 4 T 1.6 4 CL 0.6 3 , Noah Balta, Braeden Campbell, Errol Gulden, Max King, Marcus Bontempelli 4 Marcus Bontempelli Age 30 Ht 194cm Wt 96kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 22.5 5 K 12.3 5 HB 10.3 5 M 3.6 4 T 4.8 5 CL 4.4 5 D 18.4 4 K 9.7 4 HB 8.8 4 M 2.6 3 T 4.1 5 CL 4.0 5 D 12.0 3 K 5.8 3 HB 6.2 4 M 2.0 3 T 3.8 5 CL 1.8 4 , Elliot Yeo	Tom Hutchesson, Zach Sproule, Cam Fleeton, Shane Mumford 41 Shane Mumford Age 39 Ht 198cm Wt 105kg Pos. Ruck Career Season Last 5 D 10.9 3 K 3.0 1 HB 8.0 5 CL 3.0 4 HO 29.9 5 D 7.3 2 K 1.3 1 HB 6.0 3 CL 2.3 4 HO 18.5 5 D 6.2 2 K 1.6 1 HB 4.6 4 HO 12.4 5 , Sam Reid, Stephen Coniglio 3 Stephen Coniglio Age 32 Ht 182cm Wt 83kg Pos. M/F Career Season Last 5 D 24.5 5 K 13.0 5 HB 11.5 5 M 3.8 4 T 4.7 5 CL 4.7 5 D 21.3 5 K 12.5 5 HB 8.8 4 M 2.4 3 T 3.8 4 CL 5.4 5 D 19.2 5 K 8.2 4 HB 11.0 5 M 3.6 4 T 2.2 4 CL 3.0 5 , Jake Stein, Kieran Briggs, Lachlan Keeffe 25 Lachlan Keeffe Age 36 Ht 204cm Wt 101kg Pos. Ruck Career Season Last 5 D 10.5 3 K 6.8 3 HB 3.7 3 CL 0.2 2 HO 1.4 4 D 10.0 3 K 6.0 2 HB 4.0 3 CL 0.0 1 HO 0.0 1 D 8.4 3 K 5.8 3 HB 2.6 3 CL 0.2 2 HO 0.0 1 , Braydon Preuss 11 Braydon Preuss Age 30 Ht 207cm Wt 118kg Pos. Ruck Career Season Last 5 D 9.1 2 K 6.1 2 HB 3.1 3 CL 1.9 4 HO 20.9 5 No current season stats available D 9.8 3 K 5.4 2 HB 4.4 4 CL 2.4 5 HO 26.2 5 , Matt Buntine, Jacob Wehr, Nick Shipley, Daniel Lloyd 38 Daniel Lloyd Age 34 Ht 187cm Wt 83kg Pos. Fwd Career Season Last 5 D 11.5 3 K 6.4 3 HB 5.1 4 M 2.8 3 T 3.0 5 G 0.8 4 D 7.5 2 K 5.5 2 HB 2.0 1 M 3.0 3 T 3.2 4 G 0.5 4 D 11.6 3 K 5.4 2 HB 6.2 4 M 2.6 3 T 1.8 4 G 0.8 4 , Jeremy Finlayson 11 Jeremy Finlayson Age 30 Ht 197cm Wt 93kg Pos. Fwd Career Season Last 5 D 13.5 3 K 9.9 4 HB 3.6 3 M 4.5 4 T 1.4 3 G 1.3 5 D 7.0 1 K 7.0 3 HB 0.0 1 M 1.0 1 T 2.0 3 G 1.0 4 D 18.4 5 K 12.6 5 HB 5.8 4 M 3.8 4 T 1.6 4 G 0.0 1 , Will Shaw, Matt De Boer
Hawthorn	Lachlan Keefe	Will Day
Melbourne	Braydon Preuss	Luke Jackson
North Melbourne	Matt Buntine	Tarryn Thomas
Port Adelaide	Jacob Wehr	Zak Butters
Richmond	Nick Shipley	Noah Balta
Sydney	Daniel Lloyd	Braeden Campbell & Errol Gulden
St Kilda	Jeremy Finlayson	Max King
Western Bulldogs	Will Shaw	Marcus Bontempelli
West Coast Eagles	Matt De Boer	Elliot Yeo

Adelaide
Out: Riley Thilthorpe, In: Jaidyn Stephenson

Brisbane
Out: Hugh McCluggage, In: Jamarra Ugle-Hagan

Carlton
Out: Jacob Weitering, In: Adam Cerra

Collingwod
Out: Brodie Grundy, In: Jacob Hopper

Essendon
Out: Darcy Parish, In: Sean Darcy

Fremantle
Out: Sean Darcy, In: Clayton Oliver

Geelong
Out: Mitch Duncan, In: Aliir Aliir

Gold Coast
Out: Matt Rowell, In: Jacob Weitering

GWS
Out: Jacob Hopper, In: Tom McCartin

Hawthorn
Out: Blake Hardwick, In: Mitch Duncan

Melbourne
Out: Clayton Oliver, In: Brodie Grundy

North Melbourne
Out: Jaiydn Stephenson, In: Blake Hardwick

Richmond
Out: Shai Bolton, In: Riley Thilthorpe

Port Adelaide
Out: Aliir Aliir, In: Shai Bolton

St Kilda
Out: Jack Steele, In: Matt Rowell

Sydney
Out: Tom McCartin, In: Darcy Parish

West Coast
Out: Oscar Allen, In: Hugh McCluggage

Western Bulldogs
Out: Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, In: Jack Steele

Club	In	Out
Ade	Stephens, Petty, Sparrow	23, 37
Bris	5, 13	14, 18, Neale
Carl	Hewett, Lipinski	25
Coll	26, 28, 40, Rich 2022 3rd	2023 1st
Ess	B.King, Rosas Jnr, 25	11, 48, 54, 2022 1st
Frem	Neale, 22	Cerra
Geel	Brander	Clarke
GCS	Coleman-Jones, Weideman, Gunston, 14, 18, 21, Ess 2021 1st	5, 19, 22, King, Brodie, Rankine, Rosas Jnr
GWS	MFC 2022 1st, 23	13
Haw	11, Brodie	Gunston, 21
Kang	Billings, StK 2022 2nd	20, 2022 2nd
Melb	Cerra	Weideman, Petty, Sparrow, 2022 1st
Port	Rankine	17
Rich	19, Coll 2023 1st	Coleman-Jones, 2022 3rd
StK	20, Kang 2022 2nd	Billings, 2022 2nd
Syd	48, 37	Stephens, Hewett
WCE	Clarke	Brander
WBD	54	Lipinski

Brisbane IN: Darcy Cameron + Pick 6 OUT: Lachie Neale
Fremantle IN: Lachie Neale OUT: Adam Cerra
Carlton IN: Adam Cerra OUT: Sam Petrevski-Seton + Pick 6
St Kilda IN: Sam Petrevski-Seton OUT: Luke Dunstan
Melbourne IN: Luke Dunstan OUT: Sam Weideman
Richmond IN: Sam Weideman OUT: Callum Coleman-Jones
Gold Coast IN: Callum Coleman-Jones OUT: Jordan Murdoch
Port Adelaide IN: Jordan Murdoch OUT: Riley Bonner
Geelong IN: Riley Bonner OUT: Quinton Narkle
West Coast IN: Quinton Narkle OUT: Jarrod Brander
Hawthorn IN: Jarrod Brander OUT: Jack Gunston
GWS IN: Jack Gunston OUT: Jacob Hopper
North Melbourne IN: Jacob Hopper OUT: Jared Polec
Essendon IN: Jared Polec OUT: Irving Mosquito
Western Bulldogs IN: Irving Mosquito OUT: Pattrick Lipinski
Sydney IN: Pattrick Lipinski OUT: Dylan Stephens
Adelaide IN: Dylan Stephens OUT: Jake Kelly
Collingwood IN: Jake Kelly OUT: Darcy Cameron

Ok here is my effort:
A: IN: H Greenwood, OUT B Keays
B: IN: B Keays, OUT: J Lyons
C: IN: Z Tuohy, OUT: Z Williams
Coll: IN: J Stephenson, OUT: J Roughead
E: IN: T Colyer, OUT: N Hind
F: IN: M De Boer, OUT: T Colyer
G: IN: N Vardy, OUT: Z. Tuohy
GC: IN: J Lyons, OUT: H Greenwood
GWS: IN: Z Williams, OUT: M De Boer
H: IN: R Burton, OUT: S Frost
M: IN: S Frost, OUT: B Brown
NM: IN: B Brown, OUT: J Stephenson
PP: IN: P Ryder, OUT: R Burton
R: IN: S Lloyd, OUT: T Nankervis
SK: IN: N Hind, OUT: P Ryder
S: IN: T Nankervis, OUT: T Hickey
WB: IN: J Roughead, OUT: S Lloyd
wc: IN: T Hickey, OUT: N Vardy.

There will be draft picks exchanged & I know 2 of the players have announced retirements, but I'm backing their destination clubs can convince them to go on.
I can't see this not happening. (no

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FREE AGENCY
Daniel Talia to Geelong
Tom Lynch to North Melbourne
Jake Kelly to Essendon(Adelaide get Pick 38)
Levi Casboult to Gold Coast Suns(Carlton get Pick 74)
Mitch Wallis to North Melbourne(Bulldogs Get Pick 39)
George Hewitt to Carlton(Swans get Pick 40)

Essendon: Malcolm Rosas + Chol + Pick 69
Gold Coast Suns: Coleman-Jones + Zaka + 2022 4th Rdr + Pick 47
Richmond: Sam Durham + Pick 46 + Pick 54

Richmond: Tom Mitchell + Pick 59
Hawthorn: Pick 16 + Pick 46

Richmond: Pick 44
Collingwood: Josh Caddy

Collingwood: Pick 3
Gold Coast Suns: Jordan De Goey + Pick 48

Collingwood: Patrick Lipinski + H2022 3rdR
Western Bulldogs: Chad Wingard + C2022 3rdR
Hawthorn: Mason Cox + W2002 3rdR

Carlton: Adam Cerra + Pick 32
Fremantle: Pick 6 + SPS + Jordan Clarke
Geelong: Paddy Dow + 2022 3rdR(or Pick 27)

Geelong: Pick 36
West Coast Eagles: Quinton Narkle

Brisbane Lions: Jack Gunston
Hawthorn: 2022 2ndR or 3rdR

Sydney Swans: Pick 38
Adelaide: Dylan Stephenson

Adelaide: Luke Dunstan
St Kilda: 2022 4thR

If I think of more later I'll add them but here is my crack for the badge!!

First draft, let me know what you disagree with...

Mitchell for Pick 7
Future 1st (Haw) for Future 1st (NM)
O'Brien + Pick 24 for Pick 19 + 55
Pick 21 + Future 2nd(Haw) for Pick 13 + Cogs
Pick 13 for Pick 23 + Future 2nd(Adl)
Pick 23 + 55 for Brander + 29
Gunston + Pick 29 + 62 for Pick 18 + 47 + 57
Future 3rd(Haw) for Future 3rd(Carl)
Pick 5 for Cerra
Hanrahan + 47 for Pick 35 + 53
Pick 19 + 57 for Battle + 46
Howe + 53 for Pick 31 + 67
Future 4th(Haw) for Future 4th(Ess)
Pick 31 + 56 for Lynch + 41
Pick 35 + 41 + 46 + Ceglar for pick 15 + 70
Pick 15 + 70 for Pick 17 + 60
Pick 17 + 60 for Petty + 42

ADEL: Brayden Maynard for Pick 4 and ROB, Ben Keays and James Rowe.
BRIS: 47, 51, 57, 73 and Brandon Starcevich for 2022 first rounder.
CARL: Adam Cerra for Sam Walsh and Pick 6.
COLL: Christian Petracca for Darcy Moore, Brayden Maynard, Taylor Adams and a future third.
ESS: Mason Cox for Jake Stringer and Pick 11
FRE: Lochie O'Brien and a future fifth rounder for Adam Cerra
GEE: Shaun Burgoyne, Pick 21, 24 for Jack Henry, Queintin Narkle, Charlie Constable and Pick 30, 32, 34.
GC: Sampson Ryan for Matt Rowell
GWS: 14, 18, 47, 51, 57, 73, and Lachie Neale for Tom Green, Shane Mumford, Stephen Coniglio, Bobby Hill, Pick 2, 1st Rounder 2022, Nick Haynes and Jeremy Finlayson.
HAW: Mitchell for Pick 10
MELB: Tom Hickey for Max Gawn.
NM: Pick 1 for 3, 19, 22 and Hugh Greenwood.
PA: Brad Crouch for Riley Bonner and 2023 2nd.
STK: Pick 67 for Luke Dunstan
SYD: Jack Madgen for Dylan Stephens, Pick 31.
WB: Adam Treloar for Pick 14 and a future second.
WC: Sam Weideman for Tim Kelly

Adelaide In: Dawson Out: Pick 23 +future second

Brisbane In: Weideman Out: Archie Smith, Pick 57

Carlton In: Cerra Out: Pick 6 +25

Collingwood In: Pick 2, 25, 64 Future second (Port) Lipinski Out: Grundy, Sidebottom, Cox

Essendon In: Stephens Out: Future second

Fremantle In: Jordan Clarke, Coniglio, Pick 6 Out: Cerra, pick 27, future second

Geelong In: Pick 27 Out: Jordan Clarke, Pick 52

Gold Coast In: Sidebottom, Pick 49 Out: Pick 43, Brodie

GWS In: Grundy, Pick 52, 56, future second (freo) Out: Coniglio, Pick 2, Finlayson, Riccardi

Hawthorn In: Pick 16 Out: Tom Mitchell, Pick 56

Melbourne In: Pick 46 + 57 Out: Weideman

North Melbourne In: Coleman-Jones, Pick 44 Out: Pick 20

Port Adelaide In: Finlayson, Tom Mitchell Out: Future second, Pick 16

Richmond In: Pick 20 Out: Coleman-Jones, Pick 44

St Kilda In: Brander, Cox Out: 46, 64

Sydney In: Pick 23 + future second (Adelaide) , future 2nd (Ess) Out: Dawson, Stephens

West Coast In: Riccardi, Brodie Out: Brander, Pick 49

Western Bulldogs In: 43 Out: Lipinski

OK, this was very tough!!
Tried to make it realistic as possible with what teams are actually trying to do (Coll and WB getting points this year, STK wanting picks this year, GC happy to move out of this years draft a bit), but also had to add some players that might not move, like Hunt.

Adel
In: Dawson, 64
Out: 23, future 2nd, 59

Brisbane
In: Fort, Cox
Out: 47, 51, 57

Carlton
In: Cerra
Out: 6, SSP

Collingwood
In: 43, 47, 51, Lipinski
Out: Cox, future 2nd, future 3rd

Essendon
In: McPherson, Long
Out: Future 2nd, future 3rd

Fremantle
In: 6, Clark, 55
Out: Cerra, 27

Geelong
In: 27, 54, future 3rd (Coll)
Out: Clark, Fort

Gold Coast
In: future 2nd (Adel), future 3rd (WC), future 2nd (ESS), future 3rd (WB)
Out: Brodie, McPherson, 22, 43, 55

GWS
In: Hartlett, future 3rd (Ess)
Out: Riccardi, 68

Hawthorn
In: future 2nd (STK)
Out: O'Brien

Melbourne
In: 38, 44
Out: Hunt, 54

North Melbourne
In: Riccardi, Coleman-Jones
Out: 38, future 3rd

Port Adelaide
In: O'Brien, future 3rd (NM), 35
Out: Ladhams, Hartlett, 60

Richmond
In: Hunt, 67
Out: Coleman-Jones, 44

St Kilda
In: 22, 57, 59
Out: Long, future 2nd, 64

Sydney
In: 23, future 2nd (Coll)
Out: Dawson, 67

West Coast
In: Brodie, SSP, 60, 68
Out: Brander, 35, 49, future 3rd

Western Bulldogs
In: Ladhams, 49
Out: Lipinski, future 3rd

Team	Out	In
Adelaide (4,23,37,59,63)	23 (to ML via WB) & 37 (to WB)	Jordan Dawson (from SYD)
Brisbane (14,18,47,51,57,73)	14, 18 & 51 (to STK)	9 (from STK) & 22 (from GCS via STK)
Carlton (6,25,61)	6 (to FRE), Paddy Dow (to HAW)	Adam Cerra (from FRE), Lewis Young (from WB), 45 (from COLL)
Collingwood (36,39,41,45)	39 (to FRE via CARL), 45 (to CARL) Max Lynch (to GEE)	32, 34 & Nathan Kreuger (from GEE)
Essendon (11,48,53)	48 (to STK)	Jack Lonie (from STK)
Fremantle (8,27)	Adam Cerra (to CARL)	6 (from CARL), 39 (from COLL via CARL)
Geelong (30,32,34,52)	32, 34 & Nathan Kreuger (to COLL)	24 (from HAW via COLL via CARL), Max Lynch (from COLL) future 4th rd pick (from COLL)
Gold Coast (3,19,22,43,55,58,66)	22 (to BN via STK)	Josh Battle (from STK)
GWS (2,13,50,68)	2 (to RIC)	7, 15 (from RIC) & 38 (from NM via RIC)
Hawthorn (5,21,24,56,62)	24 (to GEE via COLL via CARL)	Paddy Dow (from CARL)
Melbourne (33,42,54)	33 & 42 (to WB)	23 (from ADL via WB)
North Melbourne (1,20,38,69)	38 (to GWS via RIC)	Callum Coleman-Jones (from RIC)
Port Adelaide (16,60,70,71)	Peter Ladhams & 60 (to RIC)	40 & 44 (from RIC)
Richmond (7,15,26,28,40,44)	7 & 15 (to GWS), 40 & 44 (to Port)	2 (from GWS), Peter Ladhams 19 Peter Ladhams Age 28 Ht 204cm Wt 103kg Pos. F/R Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4 K 6.8 3 HB 8.8 5 M 2.0 2 T 2.0 4 G 0.3 3 D 21.0 5 K 9.0 4 HB 12.0 5 M 3.0 3 T 2.0 3 G 0.0 1 D 14.6 4 K 6.4 3 HB 8.2 5 M 1.8 2 T 2.0 4 G 0.4 3 & 60 (from Port)
St. Kilda (9,46,64)	9 (to BN), Jack Lonie (to ESS)	14, 18 & 51 (from BN), 48 (from ESS)
Sydney (12,31,67)	Jordan Dawson (to ADL)	17 (from WB via ADL)
West Coast (10,29,35,49,65)	49 (to WB via CARL)	Sam Petrevski-Seton (from CARL)
Western Bulldogs (17,72)	17 (to SYD via ADL), Lewis Young (to CARL)	37 (from ADL) 33 & 42 (from ML via ADL), 49 (from WCE via CARL)

adel	future 3rd (ess), dawson, 40	23, 44, future 2nd, future 3rd
bris	8, 27, fort	14, 18, 50, 60
carl	cerra, future 3rd (freo), 41	6, future second, petrevski-seton
coll	lipinski, 26, future 3rd (adel)	22, 43,lynch
ess	22, 59, future 4th (coll), future 4th (freo)	51, 56, future 3rd, future 2nd
freo	2, 14, clarke, 50, brodie, future 3rd (GWS)	cerra, future 3rd, future 4th, 8, 27, future 2nd
geel	18, 60, brander	clarke, fort, 41
gws	6, future 2nd (freo), future 2nd (carl)	2, future 3rd
gold	7, 28, future 2nd (ess), future 2nd (dogs), future second (adel)	brodie,3, 19, 61
haw	17, lynch	ceglar, 59, 24
melb	24, 75	33,45
north	coleman-jones, 67	tarrant, 40, xerri
port	31	ladhams
rich	tarrant, 3, 19, 23, 61	coleman-jones, 7, 15, 26, 28
saints	xerri	67
syd	ladhams, 15	31, dawson
eagles	petrevski-seton	brander
dogs	ceglar, 33, 43, 44, 45, 51, 56	lipinski, 17, 75, future 2nd

It's the leading goal kicker carousel! Every club's leading scorer moves to the next club:

Adelaide: Out: Walker In: Bruce
Brisbane: Out: Cameron In: Walker
Carlton: Out: Mackay In: Cameron
Essendon: Out: Stringer In: Mackay
Fremantle: Out: Taberner In: Stringer
Geelong: Out: Hawkins In: Taberner
Gold Coast: Out: King In: Hawkins
GWS: Out: Greene In: King
Hawthorn: Out: Breust In: Greene
Melbourne: Out: Fritsch In: Breust
North Melbourne: Out: Larkey In: Fritsch
Port Adelaide: Out: Dixon In: Larkey
Richmond: Out: Riewolt In: Dixon
St Kilda: Out: King In: Riewolt
Sydney: Out: Franklin In: King
West Coast: Out: Darling In: Franklin
Western Bulldogs: Out: Bruce In: Darling

Some surprisingly even trades there.

Team	Out	In
Adelaide (4,33,59,75)	Melb Fut 1st	Dawson
Brisbane (14,18,47,51,57,73)	47,51	Fort,52
Carlton (6,25,61)	25,61	28,49,Bulldogs Future 3rd
Collingwood (27,36,39,41,45)	Max Lynch,27,36,39	Lipinski,43,44,47,55,66
Essendon (11,48,53)	Ess Future 2nd	Bobby Hill
Fremantle (8,19,22,62,69)	Lobb,22,62	Clark, GWS Future 2nd
Geelong (30,32,34,52)	Clark,34,52	Ceglar,22,51,62
Gold Coast (3,19,22,43,55,58,66)	43,55,58,66	27
GWS (2,13,50,68)	Bobby Hill, GWS Future 2nd	Lobb,Ess Future 2nd
Hawthorn (5,21,24,56,62)	Ceglar	Max Lynch,58
Melbourne (17,37,49,54)	37,49,54	23
North Melbourne (1,20,42,47,69)	Xerri,42,69	Long, Port Fut 3rd
Port Adelaide (16,60,70,71)	Ladhams, Powell-Pepper, Port Future 3rd	Sydney Fut 1st,29,42,69
Richmond (7,15,26,28,38,40,44)	28,38	25
St. Kilda (9,62,66)	Long	Xerri,Port Future 3rd
Sydney (12,31,67)	Dawson, Sydney Fut 1st	Ladhams,Melb Fut 1st
West Coast (10,29,35,49,65)	29	Powell-Pepper
Western Bulldogs (23,44,45,52)	Lipinski,23, Bulldogs Future 3rd	36,37,38,39,54,61

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Keystone agony · Aug 30, 2021

PMBangers said:
It happens, Collingwood wouldn't have thought they were giving up Pick 2 when they made the trade with us last year, things go wrong in footy. A Geelong/ West Coast may fancy themselves a chance to come out winners of a trade like that

How?

Even if they win the flag which is pretty unlikely. It would be pick 18 + 2nd rounder/3rd rounder for 15. Even then its a loss.

Keystone agony · Aug 30, 2021

PMBangers said:
I don't think the club trading in will see it as 'Pick 15 for 18 + change'. We saw it last year with Geelong trading in for Holmes, if there's a player the clubs really like around that range they'll do the deal regardless of points, especially if they dont an academy/ father-son of their own to worry about. Then it becomes more valuable the closer to the pick and they could potentially ontrade it for more

Thats vastly different your comparing apples to oranges in situations

Teams do give up a bit for specific players on the draft table but we are discussing a trade prior to the Darcy bid which by most indications comes in around 3

Teams wont know who is and isnt available at 15

Edit: Say if the cats even do F1 + pick 35 for pick 15 then that pick 35 (36) doesnt help the dogs much and they leave themselves in a really vulnerable position

4tune8 · Aug 30, 2021

Is there anything stopping the Dogs trading out 15 this year for say the Tigers 1st next year, then trading the Tigers 1st out again to another team after a bid on Darcy to get another 1st rnd pick this year. Bit of a convoluted question, sorry.
FWIW I doubt the Tigers would do it, just an example

TBOW · Aug 30, 2021

Keystone agony said:
The issue with this is;

The dogs first round pick this year will be 15 (Assume the under dogs both lose this week) after the daicos bid.

Whos trading a future first + a 2nd/3rd rounder for pick 15? No one.

The only way I could possibly see it working is if Brisbane wanted another dip in this years first round due to having Ashcroft likely absorbing their 2022 first.
Something like Brisbane 2022 first + the two 2021 thirds for Dogs 2021 first and 2022 second or third.

Dogs would then be a long way short of the required points for Darcy and Brisbane already have two late first rounders so not sure they would want a third?

Keystone agony · Aug 30, 2021

4tune8 said:
Is there anything stopping the Dogs trading out 15 this year for say the Tigers 1st next year, then trading the Tigers 1st out again to another team after a bid on Darcy to get another 1st rnd pick this year. Bit of a convoluted question, sorry.
FWIW I doubt the Tigers would do it, just an example

Isnt that what the eagles and swans did years ago and they brought in a rule for it?

I dont believe you can re trade that pick until the following year

Bollox · Aug 30, 2021

The 747 said:
This was funny the first 100 times someone posted it, but it is boring now.

Nahhhhhh, its still funny.

GUMBLETRON · Aug 30, 2021

4tune8 said:
Is there anything stopping the Dogs trading out 15 this year for say the Tigers 1st next year, then trading the Tigers 1st out again to another team after a bid on Darcy to get another 1st rnd pick this year. Bit of a convoluted question, sorry.
FWIW I doubt the Tigers would do it, just an example

Keystone agony said:
Isnt that what the eagles and swans did years ago and they brought in a rule for it?

I dont believe you can re trade that pick until the following year

Although i suppose they could then trade their own F1 back into this years with someone

They can't trade it back to the same team, but otherwise entirely legal.

4tune8 · Aug 30, 2021

Keystone agony said:
Isnt that what the eagles and swans did years ago and they brought in a rule for it?

I dont believe you can re trade that pick until the following year

Yes, that's what happened, you can't deal with the same team. But I thought that if the deal was with a 3rd team then that's ok. I could be wrong.

Keystone agony · Aug 30, 2021

4tune8 said:
Yes, that's what happened, you can't deal with the same team. But I thought that if the deal was with a 3rd team then that's ok. I could be wrong.

hmm not sure only thought a future could be shifted once

Virgin Dog · Aug 30, 2021

PMBangers said:
It happens, Collingwood wouldn't have thought they were giving up Pick 2 when they made the trade with us last year, things go wrong in footy. A Geelong/ West Coast may fancy themselves a chance to come out winners of a trade like that

Melbourne did that ambitious future trade in 2019 after finishing 17th, gambling on rising up the ladder the following year. I could see a club like Carlton pull the trigger if they need to use their current first for the Cerra trade. They clearly rate their own list based on some of the aggressive trade moves they've made, and expectations of making finals each year, so trading their 2022 1st could mean they get Cerra while staying in the 1st round.

4tune8 · Aug 30, 2021

GUMBLETRON said:
They can't trade it back to the same team, but otherwise entirely legal.

It sort of fits with what they're doing then I suppose, Lipinski and Wallis (although he's not much value) possibly someone else to build a bit of draft capital for the early Darcy bid as well as getting back into the 1st round around that pick 14-15

Keystone agony · Aug 30, 2021

Virgin Dog said:
Melbourne did that ambitious future trade in 2019 after finishing 17th, gambling on rising up the ladder the following year. I could see a club like Carlton pull the trigger if they need to use their current first for the Cerra trade. They clearly rate their own list based on some of the aggressive trade moves they've made, and expectations of making finals each year, so trading their 2022 1st could mean they get Cerra while staying in the 1st round.

You think Carlton will trade their F1 + 2nd/3rd this year for pick 15 (Dogs)?

4tune8 · Aug 30, 2021

Keystone agony said:
hmm not sure only thought a future could be shifted once

Clubs can only trade one future pick, ie; If a club trades their F1 then they can't trade any other future picks unless they trade back into F1.

Snuffaluphagus · Aug 30, 2021

As it stands, the teams that would be comfortable trading a future 1st WITH more capital this year for pick 14 are probably limited to GWS, Sydney, Melbourne and Geelong. Assuming all believe they will finish top 4.

GWS arent going to do that swap with Fahey
Sydney would be taking a gamble and already have a pick in the same range
Geelong would almost 100% prefer to just trade 2 of the 3 2nds they already have
Melbourne may be the most likely if they really really like that group from 10-20

Are the Dogs even better off doing the trade, or just bring in 1.4k points through a couple of 2nds which almost cover them if he's bid on at 3. With the picks to list spots rule back in, the Dogs cant just bring in 5 3rd round picks through trading spuds, you need some higher picks to match the points

Virgin Dog · Aug 30, 2021

Keystone agony said:
You think Carlton will trade their F1 + 2nd/3rd this year for pick 15 (Dogs)?

A trade as simple as Pick 15 <> 2022 1st + 2021 2nd/3rd almost certainly wouldn't happen, no. Nowhere near that one sided. But I do think a side in Carlton's position would consider trading their future 1st, plus say Pick 25, in return for the Dogs pick 15 (or whatever it ends up being) plus our future 2nd, or something along those lines. On paper, it appears to be in the Dogs favour, but then so was the North Melbourne vs Melbourne trade in 2019.

Virgin Dog · Aug 30, 2021

Snuffaluphagus said:
Are the Dogs even better off doing the trade, or just bring in 1.4k points through a couple of 2nds which almost cover them if he's bid on at 3. With the picks to list spots rule back in, the Dogs cant just bring in 5 3rd round picks through trading spuds, you need some higher picks to match the points

Wasn't it confirmed that you can again bring unlimited picks this year? That's the impression I got, which would mean that we can get creative with our 1st and not worry so much about accruing decent picks

Snuffaluphagus · Aug 30, 2021

Virgin Dog said:
Wasn't it confirmed that you can again bring unlimited picks this year? That's the impression I got, which would mean that we can get creative with our 1st and not worry so much about accruing decent picks

I'm just quoting others who have said its removed so dont have anything official, happy to be corrected.

Mofra · Aug 30, 2021

perplexed said:
No future picks or free agency compo nonsense, but something for everyone to complain about.

Team Out In
Adelaide Strachan, Talia, 23 Stevens, West
Brisbane Mathieson, Smith, 15, 47, 52 Hopper
Carlton SPS, Fisher, Weitering, 6 Cerra, Tucker, 1, 38
Collingwood Maynard, Lynch Mathieson, Weiderman, 28, 48, 52
Essendon 11, 48 Battle, 23
Fremantle Cerra, Tucker SPS, 6, 24
Geelong Clark, Narkle Brander, Talia, Lynch
Gold Coast 22 CCJ
GWS Hopper, 49 11, 17
Hawthorn 24 Fisher, 40
Melbourne Weideman Wallis
North Melbourne Tarrant, 1, 38 Weitering, 26
Port Adelaide 17 Dawson
Richmond CCJ, 26, 28, 40 Lipinski, Narkle, 15
St. Kilda Battle Smith, 32
Sydney Dawson, Stevens, 32 14, 22
West Coast Brander, 29, 36 Clark, Maynard
Western Dogs Lipinski, West, Wallis, 14 Strachan, Tarrant, 29, 36, 47, 49

Hypothetical trade leader so far, kudos

Virgin Dog · Aug 30, 2021

Snuffaluphagus said:
I'm just quoting others who have said its removed so dont have anything official, happy to be corrected.

Fair enough. I see no reason they'd allow unlimited picks again unless clubs were led to believe in 2020 that it was sticking around another year. If not, we are surely going to need to stockpile picks in the 20s which doesn't sound possible without using our 1st

Islanda22 · Aug 30, 2021

Maynard to Melb
Weideman and Pick #18 to Coll

blueiris · Aug 30, 2021

Islanda22 said:
Maynard to Melb
Weideman and Pick #18 to Coll

Melbourne doesn’t have pick 18

briztoon · Aug 30, 2021

Keystone agony said:
The issue with this is;

The dogs first round pick this year will be 15 (Assume the under dogs both lose this week) after the daicos bid.

Whos trading a future first + a 2nd/3rd rounder for pick 15? No one.

Brisbane would definitely do this, as we have a highly rated father son kid next year.

We have 2 third round picks and 2 fourth round picks this year which we’re unlikely to use.

Personally, I’d happily trade first round picks with Bulldogs, and trade them al four later round picks for a future third and fourth round picks.

As long as Daicos is bid on first, that improves some or all of the Bulldogs picks as well, as the Collingwood picks are removed from the draft order.

Islanda22 · Aug 30, 2021

blueiris said:
Melbourne doesn’t have pick 18

Pick 34 it is then haha

exxcessivve · Aug 30, 2021

perplexed said:
No future picks or free agency compo nonsense, but something for everyone to complain about.

Team Out In
Adelaide Strachan, Talia, 23 Stevens, West
Brisbane Mathieson, Smith, 15, 47, 52 Hopper
Carlton SPS, Fisher, Weitering, 6 Cerra, Tucker, 1, 38
Collingwood Maynard, Lynch Mathieson, Weiderman, 28, 48, 52
Essendon 11, 48 Battle, 23
Fremantle Cerra, Tucker SPS, 6, 24
Geelong Clark, Narkle Brander, Talia, Lynch
Gold Coast 22 CCJ
GWS Hopper, 49 11, 17
Hawthorn 24 Fisher, 40
Melbourne Weideman Wallis
North Melbourne Tarrant, 1, 38 Weitering, 26
Port Adelaide 17 Dawson
Richmond CCJ, 26, 28, 40 Lipinski, Narkle, 15
St. Kilda Battle Smith, 32
Sydney Dawson, Stevens, 32 14, 22
West Coast Brander, 29, 36 Clark, Maynard
Western Dogs Lipinski, West, Wallis, 14 Strachan, Tarrant, 29, 36, 47, 49

As a freo supporter this would be extremely demoralising. Would basically just be regressing the rebuild by a couple years.

briztoon · Aug 30, 2021

Snuffaluphagus said:
As it stands, the teams that would be comfortable trading a future 1st WITH more capital this year for pick 14 are probably limited to GWS, Sydney, Melbourne and Geelong. Assuming all believe they will finish top 4.

GWS arent going to do that swap with Fahey
Sydney would be taking a gamble and already have a pick in the same range
Geelong would almost 100% prefer to just trade 2 of the 3 2nds they already have
Melbourne may be the most likely if they really really like that group from 10-20

Are the Dogs even better off doing the trade, or just bring in 1.4k points through a couple of 2nds which almost cover them if he's bid on at 3. With the picks to list spots rule back in, the Dogs cant just bring in 5 3rd round picks through trading spuds, you need some higher picks to match the points

+ Brisbane.

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