List Mgmt. 2021 Trade & List Management Thread II - IN: CCJ

[giantroo]

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[Passmore]

I mean I got that’s what he meant but I couldn’t see what universe would be close to realistic

They perceive themselves as some type of Hell's Angels outlaw group when in fact they're the biggest bunch of nuffy supporters around. The typical "mum's basement" posters.

I'd feel more threatened by a singke cheese platter wielding GoDees MCC member than 1000 Richmond w***ers.

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[7577969923]

They literally couldn't have less leverage apart from "he owes us." They need us to trade Robbie to protect their Chol pick and we can theoretically walk CCJ through to the pre-season draft. It's ok to be upset, its less ok to be deluded and/or stupid and its simply boring. Their coach didn't help on 360, maybe he should consult with the new Mrs Hardwick before making stupid inflammatory comments that will only hurt with this trade going through.

Exactly. It is amazing how little understanding of leverage and negotiation that the football media have. I wouldn't expect any more from the Tiger supporters.

I remember when I did my MBA we did a workshop on negotiation. The teacher, who had worked on global trade negotiations, introduced the concept of a BATNA - Best Alternative To A Negotiated Agreement. That's exactly what you have described. The PSD is an absolutely viable alternative for both North and CCJ. Free agency compensation is a viable alternative to trading for Taz.

The Tigers have almost zero levaerage.

 

[Roo202]

I guess we really want to keep a good relationship then.
So important for our next trade in like 5 years.

I've never really understood the talk about ruining trade relations with other clubs, I think it is probably played up far more in the media than it really exists with the actual clubs, most of them would understand the business of it all. Realistically though to suggest Richmond getting less for CCJ than they perceive his worth, does that mean we are on a blacklist never to be traded with again?

There's three basic trades; 1. they want one of our players, 2. we want one of theirs and 3. an exchange of picks. If they're no longer trading with us, 1 is a bonus for us, one less club trying to take our talent, 2 we may miss a player if they refuse to trade, but they could then lose them for nothing to the PSD and 3 there's 16 other clubs to do business with if they won't. Point is, it just doesn't and won't happen, GC and Carl will trade this year if that is what works for them, likewise GWS and the Crows.

 

[buttox]

Exactly. It is amazing how little understanding of leverage and negotiation that the football media have. I wouldn't expect any more from the Tiger supporters.

I remember when I did my MBA we did a workshop on negotiation. The teacher, who had worked on global trade negotiations, introduced the concept of a BATNA - Best Alternative To A Negotiated Agreement. That's exactly what you have described. The PSD is an absolutely viable alternative for both North and CCJ. Free agency compensation is a viable alternative to trading for Taz.

The Tigers have almost zero levaerage.

I think we would accept taz for ccj straight swap as a trade.
38 for ccj and gaining 39 for taz as compo would effectively be the same thing.

 

[7577969923]

I think we would accept taz for ccj straight swap.
38 for ccj and gaining 39 for taz as compo would effectively be the same thing.

Good faith offer. Take it or GAGF!

 

[buttox]

Good faith offer. Take it or GAGF!

I like CCJ to PSD + Taz compo better tbh.
Getting paid.
It would be really funny if it goes this way. The balls in richmonds court.
The melts would be epic.

 

[ferball]

My man

Finn Gorringe = the rhymes with orange.

(Apologies if its been done.)

 

[1975]

All the talk of him "owing" them... the reason he was still on their list this year is they thought he was worth a spot. Perfect citizens get delisted every year if they aren't good enough and kebab fighters keep playing if their footy skills warrant it. Probably not a good idea to push it too often if you're on the edge, but clubs make the decisions for what is best for the club.. as you said he'd be empty handed as soon as that was what was best for Richmond, so he can't be begrudged looking after himself.

In an ideal world he would owe them big time and still walk to the PSD.

 

[New_Roo]

He's 22 , got the attributes - if the coaches think they can make something of him, its a no brainer.

They may not.

Yes hasn't had the chance to be a kpd at wc... def behind barass and jmac and fwd behind Allen Kennedy and darling..... but with a few of these leaving or close you would have thought..... certainly not a winger


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[The Anvil]

I think we would accept taz for ccj straight swap as a trade.
38 for ccj and gaining 39 for taz as compo would effectively be the same thing.

I wouldn't do this, the Tigers need this for Chol compo. We already have CCJ thanks to the PSD (of which they would be in his manager's ear to stay still).

This trade is equivalent to the compo, and does not account for the fact we are helping the Tigers get their Chol compo.

No issue with good relations between teams but when you actively poach someone on another teams' leadership group, do you really have any respect for that club?

 

[krakouers]

Not enough “rumours”
How about Jack Mahony

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Jack Mahony

Age

22

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177cm

Wt

73kg

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M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.4

2star

K

2.6

1star

HB

5.8

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.0

1star

D

8.4

2star

K

2.6

1star

HB

5.8

3star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.2

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

8.4

3star

K

2.6

1star

HB

5.8

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.0

1star

to GC17 for their pick 19?

 

[Roo202]

I wouldn't do this, the Tigers need this for Chol compo. We already have CCJ thanks to the PSD (of which they would be in his manager's ear to stay still).

This trade is equivalent to the compo, and does not account for the fact we are helping the Tigers get their Chol compo.

No issue with good relations between teams but when you actively poach someone on another teams' leadership group, do you really have any respect for that club?

It's strange when one club poaches a leader, one of the first picked when fit, who's been at his original club for 13 years for nothing, it's just good business, play on.

But going back the other way a club looks to take a young player. who's been on their list for four years and nine games, been told he's third in line for the ruck and about the same as KPF, not considered in their best 22, from their point of view only worth offering a two year deal to at 22 years of age, suddenly, they're "filthy" and will play hardball and we'd better pay up.

 

[King Corey]

You don't think settling him one position could have a positive impact on his performances?

Back to Victoria, new coaches around him as well. Will be in his 5th year next year. And big men take time. Right?

For a low pick ot PSD. Why not?

That's reasonable logic but I don't see any player taken as a free hit. There's an opportunity cost to listing any player.

There'd have to be some huge untapped potential we're seeing in him to justify it. I don't. He can't be relied to hold a key spot a la Josh Walker and you don't generally list journeymen types (unless you're Scott or Laidley) to fill the flanks.

Eagles don't really have a cap, if they rated him they'd keep him. Pass.

 

[see see]

Tigers army will be after CCJ for years. Bank loans declined. Speeding tickets. Products scanned twice at the supermarket. His life will be made a living hell.

What they fail to understand is they're literally 18 months away from being a failed irrelevance for the better part of the next four decades.

Anywho, I think it's high time to get this baby rolling again:

Banter - Tigers Fans = Special Breed

They are an entity like no other. EVERY free-kick against them is an umpiring mistake. They are dead-set under the impression that the free-kick count at the end of their games should be 90-5 Tigers way, and even then they'd have a whinge. And some other specials last night: 1. When K Turner...

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A big "caressing the crack signal" to you, Tiges fans.

 

[Orange Peanut]

38 and Taz for CCJ in the first 4 minutes of Trade Aeon or one side is just posturing. Surely.

 

[King Corey]

38 and Taz for CCJ in the first 4 minutes of Trade Aeon or one side is just posturing. Surely.

Not quite, they can slide something back for Taz at the same time.

Not even sure we want to fling #38 at them.

Melbourne played us like a fiddle over Brown last year. Hope we do the same with CCJ.

 

[Swallow_Wood]

Not enough “rumours”
How about Jack Mahony to GC17 for their pick 19?

How did you find this out? I thought they we supposed to be keeping this one super hush hush.

 

[Lomas]

Not enough “rumours”
How about Jack Mahony to GC17 for their pick 19?

Isn't he a free agent now? Been clogging up our list for years I've heard.

 

[Tiberius]

This was a pearler

Incoherent and borderline illiterate as it is, I still think he makes some valid points. I have it on good authority that whenever Lynch and Prestia return to the Gold Coast the Sun Army makes sure that the Hooters waitresses never lean even slightly forward when they serve them.

 

[Tas]

I recommend not getting too worked up about the specifics of any trade, the two clubs will figure it out.

 

[buttox]

I recommend not getting too worked up about the specifics of any trade, the two clubs will figure it out.

But I want to know now....
*stamps feet*

 

[Sillygit]

I recommend not getting too worked up about the specifics of any trade, the two clubs will figure it out.

but there's * all else to do

 

[buttox]

Special request to the mods.
Please let the snowflakes melt when this trade goes through.
Dont be deleting any hilarious rants from tigers supporters.
cheers

 

[giantroo]

Duggan re-signs with WC. Three year deal.

Duggan commits future to West Coast

The versatile left-footer has signed on with the Eagles until the end of the 2024 campaign

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[kool kangas]

But I want to know now....
*stamps feet*

you're not the only one....