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Marshall does not have a big enough body to be a number 1 key forward.
What?He's never taken more than 3 contested marks in a game and has only achieved that once.
Dixon averages 2.6 a game compared to Marshall's 1.4.
More importantly though Marshall is not someone you can trust to outmark their opponent when isolated 1v1. He doesn't have the size strength or style to be that player.
Marshalls already shown evidence of being at the very least a decent / good key forward, the only question is what kind of improvement can we expect from here? Worst case we’ve got a functioning kf who can do a role until we draft another one rather than bomb for years asking mids to kick onto the heads of short people so it can sail immediately back over their heads and crush their souls.So for a traditional key forward we either hope Marshall becomes something he's shown no evidence of being so far or we pin our hopes on a 19 yr old.
Ladhams just doesn’t have any kind of forward craft. I’m surprised that you have written off Marshall but argue ladhams can improve (in an area he is beyond bad at)I accept Ladhams has been sh*t forward so far. I think this can be changed if he stops focusing on being a ruck first and spends the off season training as a forward though - we've seen his ceiling in that role is promising. For reference Ladhams has taken 4 contested marks twice from only 23 games. Just needs to learn to be a forward and let hayes be our next ruck.
Modern day Port is that 10,000 piece jigsaw puzzle you got from nana at Xmas. Promise every year that this is year you’ll put it together, then boom the next Xmas is upon you, then the next and the next. Rinse and repeat.Are we looking for another piece of the jigsaw?? we have been getting them for years now and we are still going backwards.
There is one common denominator here?????
Neither tbh you’d think you get more for a young ready made ruck.Ladhams or Hayes for Stephens?
Worth it to be able to have a Big Texan™ burger on the Port Club menu without risk of being sued.Mason Cox is worth a 2 year deal
Most superstars only manage a few 3’s pre-50 games so it’s not like they’re leaving Marshall in their dust.
Hayes should be number one ruck starting next season.Going to be interesting what we do with our rucks I reckon scotter has 4yrs after this yr where does that leave Hayes?
Big callHayes should be number one ruck starting next season.
Lycett and Ladhams will have to battle it out for the 2nd ruck spot.
I mean Harry McKay is a contested marking beast who has exactly one trick. Contested marking. And he’s only just exploded in his 23rd year, being a year and around 20 games further along than Todd and had none of the setbacks costing him a couple of preseasons that Todd did. A lot of people had Harry written off not too long ago actually.As he's just breaking out and had a disrupted first few years lets compare him to Harry Mckay up to his similar time in the system. Drafted 1 year earlier than marshall he had 7 games with over 3 contest marks a game to the end of last year (48 games) and had also had a peak of 6 CMs. That is evidence of a high ceiling - a player with potential who will develop into a traditional key forward and has done so this year. That's what I'm looking for in Marshall that I'm not seeing.
Oscar allen, Aaron naughton, harry mckay, ben and max king etc are his contemporaries that have shown/are showing greater potential in their first 50 games.
By the time dixon has left we will have at least another year and a half into Marshall and Georgiades and another 20-35 games into each of them. Lord is another year older and we have had a look at what he can do.My whole post is around what we do post-dixon. That is why I made the comparison between Marshalls CMs to his - not because thats where he should be but because that's the difference in output our team will see from our leading KPF. It would be a big drop off.
Ladhams spent the first 2 seasons of his career at the magpies as a pure forward. Didn’t get near the ruck and was on the delist pile until moved into ruck and showing something. He’s spent as much of his time at port training and playing forward as ruck.Right now Ladhams is a sh*t forward but I'm attributing that to training as a ruck primarily. You dont get good at something without training and practice - that's what he needs more of.
Yeah they do, there’s just fewer rucks in the league seeing as most teams play 1 with the occasional 2nd, while teams play 2/3 kpfs.Oh and rucks dont dominate the contested mark stat, other than gawn at #1 its KPFs that do (only 3 rucks avg 2+ CMs/game from over 5 games, compared to 11 KPFs).
Merrett or a player of merretts quality in the 22-27 age bracket fills a need but will be very hard to attractI think we need to be aggressive in the FA trade space given the demographic of the list. Some older players plus plenty of young ones and a bit bare in the middle.
Merrett would be awesome obviously as he costs nothing. I think the chances of this are far less than what they were at the start of the year, but its not over yet.
Do we look at players like Narkle (as a mid), Lemmens (small back)? Wouldnt cost much.
We also need make a call on Ladhams and Hayes. I dont think Hayes hangs around next year if hes told hes third in line and i dont blame him. Does one of Ladhams or Hayes get us another first round pick? I think so given the way ruckman are in demand.
Merrett or a player of merretts quality in the 22-27 age bracket fills a need but will be very hard to attract
a player of narkles or lemmons quality ie 25-35 on our list doesn’t fill a need at all.
I would hate to make a call on trading ladhams or Hayes at the end of this year. That’s why we should have gotten a game into Hayes this past month.
I don’t think we would get a first rounder for ladhams or Hayes. Not even close. Probably a pick around 20- 40 would be on the table for ladhams depending on what a team that wanted him had on hand and a pick 30-40 might be on offer for Hayes.
both would be very bad trades that send us backwards unless we assume Parker drafts way better than the odds at that pick.
Ladhams has some freak attributes for a ruck and enough time before his prime to become a better ruck. Hayes is a great tap ruck and around the ground marking threat that I think would benefit us more. I want to keep Hayes more than anything. I think he can carry a midfield as we’re seeing in the magpies. I don’t want to let go of ladhams unless we get a deal that absolutely improves our team (a second rounder is too much of a gamble) and if Hayes is committed to staying here beyond his next contract is something that would need to be 100% before trading Pete.
Dbj, jones (not small but every bit as quick) Frederick, burton, Houston (tho a bit different type), Bergman, Burgoyne has often played back as a junior and may spend some time developing there. Bonner . Farrell was a defender as a junior but we’re trying to develop him as a forward / wing. Duursma can go back. Mayes was a running defender at Brisbane but we’ve turned him into a mid cause we don’t need another defender.Fair call. I disagree on Lemmens and Narkle. I admit they are not walk up starts, nor are they world beaters, but Lemmens fills a small quick defender need (which we dont have) and Narkle has upside as an inside mid in my opinion. I guess its all about opinions though.
I agree i would prefer to keep Hayes over Ladhams if it came to a choice.
We need a Libba, Lyons, Mundy, Greenwood type.Dbj, jones (not small but every bit as quick) Frederick, burton, Houston (tho a bit different type), Bergman, Burgoyne has often played back as a junior and may spend some time developing there. Bonner . Farrell was a defender as a junior but we’re trying to develop him as a forward / wing. Duursma can go back. Mayes was a running defender at Brisbane but we’ve turned him into a mid cause we don’t need another defender.
I think saying we don’t have a quick small defender is a bit inaccurate.
I think lemmons just falls into the 25-35 part of our list. Would be great for the magpies!
narkles inside mid ability? Our need is a number 1 inside clearance winning beast who can rack up 5+ clearances a game for life after boak / gray / Rocky.
We definitely don’t need a supplemental clearance Winner. We’ve got drew spp butters to do that. Those guys should be around another better clearance winner. I don’t want narkle in the centre before any of those guys (and Houston duursma rozee and so on)
Yes i agree.We need a Libba, Lyons, Mundy, Greenwood type.
I doubt it.I get the feeling the best place to find one of those will be at a club misusing one as a halfback flanker (see essendon & parish).
The three I can think of off the top of my head are SPS, Stocker & Dow at Carlton. There must be more floating about somewhere. Given the depth of their midfielder, the Dogs and Geelong may have one in the two's that can be raided.
Ah well