List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part I

[George]

Delisted;
-

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
3. Zak Jones

3

Zak Jones

Age

30

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.8

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.0

5star

CL

1.7

4star

D

19.1

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

8.6

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.1

4star

CL

4.9

5star

D

7.0

2star

K

2.8

1star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.6

4star

CL

1.0

3star

- Link
6. Sebastian Ross

6

Sebastian Ross

Age

32

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.3

5star

K

13.7

5star

HB

12.6

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.1

5star

D

17.5

4star

K

8.9

4star

HB

8.6

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

2.1

4star

D

15.2

4star

K

8.6

4star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.8

5star

(RFA) - Link
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
15. Jack Billings

14

Jack Billings

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

19.7

5star

K

11.7

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.3

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

4.6

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

(RFA) - Link
18. Patrick Ryder

18

Patrick Ryder

Age

37

Ht

197cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

2.6

4star

HO

19.3

5star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.0

2star

CL

1.8

4star

HO

21.8

5star

D

4.4

1star

K

3.2

2star

HB

1.2

2star

HO

3.0

5star

- Link
24. James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
38. Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link
42. Max Heath

Multiple players found. Use birthday to differentiate. eg [PLAYERCARD="23/11/1962"]Joe Smith[/PLAYERCARD]

- Link
45. Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


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List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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[sammm]

Talk about A Grade Saints without mentioning Wilkie? If he does a job on Hawkins like he did on Buddy last week, a lot of you experts are going to look silly.

If he does the job on Hawkins or Cameron he should be called GOAT

 

[Mowman]

I reckon Dunstan is best 22, every year we hope, apart from last year we are disappointed. We have moved on 3/4 of the list in 3 years. That's a full rebuild if we push out what's left. We purge when things aren't immediate but keep the average ring-ins who are no better to justify their recruitment. At some point they have to do some hard work instead of hoping to get some more cast offs to create magic and subvert the normal rebuild model. We will be young and inexperienced next year, cutting away at that is a bad idea. If we lose a few of our best 10 players every year eventually we will either arse some development or hit the skids again and have to do it the hard way.

But we have Hanners out on the track LOL



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Bin 28 $39 a botttle

 

[Ducky Tie]

you heard of broken telephone. Steele might not have heard Correctly. Dunstan may not have told Steele the truth. People just don't know what is the actual truth.

That's pretty much my point. There is confusion in this. I haven't said I know what definitively happened - just that there seemed to be mixed interpretations of it.

 

[gringo2011]

Dont know, eveyone thought Dunny and DMAC would get delisted at the beginning of the year, Sinc's was just a GOP, Butler was the next Milne, and Sharman was the bloke assaulting the White House on Jan 6th. The only Connelly was Bill or Roh and Battle would tear it apart this year, along with a Hanners who ran the best 3klm time trial at the club. Higgins was just a small forward

How anyone can gauge who will be an Agrade going forward is anyones guess. To me King, Steele, Marshall are dead set A grade, Butler and Higgins at their best, and if Gres and Clark come back fit, could be but who knows.

I didn't say who might potentially be, just literally who are the A graders. You scoffed liked I'd made up that we have one A grader. King has had the same form line as Dunny and is 18th for goals so while he's looking extremely promising I'd suggest that marking is based on potential. Marshall was definitely tracking well about 2 years ago but has dropped off a bit. Again has potential to be A. The rest aren't A grade yet either.

 

[gringo2011]

I’d say our A Grade players are Crouch, Marshall, Gresham, Hill and potentially King and Sinclair next year.

Steele is elite, top 5 mid in the game easily. Arguably the best two way mid.


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If Crouch is A grade, Dunny and Jones are too. Actually if that is the standard we have about 15 A graders. I remember having the same conversations with Billing and Acres too. King is on his way and Sincs probably the closest to me out of that lot.

 

[Mowman]

If Crouch is A grade, Dunny and Jones are too. Actually if that is the standard we have about 15 A graders. I remember having the same conversations with Billing and Acres too. King is on his way and Sincs probably the closest to me out of that lot.

Crouch is good player but not an A grader

 

[gringo2011]

But we have Hanners out on the track LOL



Sorry been Drinking lol
Bin 28 $39 a botttle

Nice price, Dan's?

 

[Mowman]

Nice price, Dan's?

Dan's yep
Normally $49
Great Drop

 

[gringo2011]

Dan's yep
Normally $49
Great Drop

I spent $32 on a bottle of shiraz a couple of days ago and it was absolute piss. I'm off to Dan's tomorrow. Might be time for a case.

 

[Heavensent]

He's still only 27 so perhaps they'll keep Wood and Sharman and look to trade Battle. Get a 2nd rounder for him and then use that to get Owens and Wingdhager.

I just can’t see any way possible the club trades battle this year.

 

[Bill Mohr]

I didn't say who might potentially be, just literally who are the A graders. You scoffed liked I'd made up that we have one A grader. King has had the same form line as Dunny and is 18th for goals so while he's looking extremely promising I'd suggest that marking is based on potential. Marshall was definitely tracking well about 2 years ago but has dropped off a bit. Again has potential to be A. The rest aren't A grade yet either.

Good answer

 

[Joffaboy]

I didn't say who might potentially be, just literally who are the A graders. You scoffed liked I'd made up that we have one A grader. King has had the same form line as Dunny and is 18th for goals so while he's looking extremely promising I'd suggest that marking is based on potential. Marshall was definitely tracking well about 2 years ago but has dropped off a bit. Again has potential to be A. The rest aren't A grade yet either.

It is not literally, an opinion can't he literal. Its not fact.
I scoffed because I reckon you are wrong, and your opinion of our players are so poor, that I don't rate your opinion on them.

So according to you a player is A grade then not like Marshall. So does that change every game? Butler was A grade last year then not?
And if you think Crouch is only as good as Dunstan, just give up.
Clark is A grade, Gres is A grade, Bytel will be A grade, Msx already is.
My literal opinion.

 

[Ducky Tie]

It is not literally, an opinion can't he literal. Its not fact.
I scoffed because I reckon you are wrong, and your opinion of our players are so poor, that I don't rate your opinion on them.

So according to you a player is A grade then not like Marshall. So does that change every game? Butler was A grade last year then not?
And if you think Crouch is only as good as Dunstan, just give up.
Clark is A grade, Gres is A grade, Bytel will be A grade, Msx already is.
My literal opinion.

Clark's best season saw him come ninth in the best and fairest. We all want him to get there and he's got some great traits, but he is not A grade. He'd be lucky to be a top 100 player in the comp. We've got plenty of good players, but Steele is probably our only player who is top 50. Marshall when consistently on the park probably is too.

 

[Bill Mohr]

If Crouch is A grade, Dunny and Jones are too. Actually if that is the standard we have about 15 A graders. I remember having the same conversations with Billing and Acres too. King is on his way and Sincs probably the closest to me out of that lot.

Clark's best season saw him come ninth in the best and fairest. We all want him to get there and he's got some great traits, but he is not A grade. He'd be lucky to be a top 100 player in the comp. We've got plenty of good players, but Steele is probably our only player who is top 50. Marshall when consistently on the park probably is too.

Might be a case of confusion where some posters are marking A graders from a team sense, where others including me are using competition A graders and definitions such as AA squad as a bench mark. For e.g No way would I consider Clark an A grader, he would not get a game with any of the top 6 teams. Steele would get a game and DOMINATE with any team plus be in the AA final team. I am talking this year alone.

 

[BrutThough]

Might be a case of confusion where some posters are marking A graders from a team sense, where others including me are using competition A graders and definitions such as AA squad as a bench mark. For e.g No way would I consider Clark an A grader, he would not get a game with any of the top 6 teams. Steele would get a game and DOMINATE with any team plus be in the AA final team. I am talking this year alone.

A fit Hunter Clark would get a game in any side in the comp.

There are a lot of very average players in every side in the comp. Even the top ones.

 

[Ducky Tie]

A fit Hunter Clark would get a game in any side in the comp.

There are a lot of very average players in every side in the comp. Even the top ones.

Lot of extremes being spoken about here. Clark is a good player who could be a very good one down the track. He isn’t currently an A grader and he would get a game for every team in the comp.

 

[gringo2011]

It is not literally, an opinion can't he literal. Its not fact.
I scoffed because I reckon you are wrong, and your opinion of our players are so poor, that I don't rate your opinion on them.

So according to you a player is A grade then not like Marshall. So does that change every game? Butler was A grade last year then not?
And if you think Crouch is only as good as Dunstan, just give up.
Clark is A grade, Gres is A grade, Bytel will be A grade, Msx already is.
My literal opinion.

Well if you can be rated on single games just about every player in footy is A grade. I'd say as of right this moment that if you asked any neutral observer you'd have Steele A grade and potentially elite and then a gulf. On metrics like coaches votes Dunstan has had a very good patch that could be considered A grade but because he's been only doing it for a 10 week period you would be crazy to call him A grade. Same with King, great patch of footy but he's got to put together a sustained period before putting him down in that cartagory.

I think we will have one AA this year and Steele should poll well in the Brownlow because we won't have many taking votes off him.

 

[EWarren2017]

I'm the opposite. Rather keep Dunstan and ship out Billings. We'll get more for Billings. I don't think either of them will take us anywhere.

Billings is a much better player than dunstan.
Luke's disposal and decision making is sub substandard.
With a fully fit midfield, he doesn't get picked, we are too one paced especially at Marvel.
He won't be a big loss.

 

[Murraj1966]

Moreso that he was overpaid after having a great season in 2019 and we had to spend the coin on someone.

Because we have paid other players significant money and can no longer afford to pay him a substantial amount without it being poor list management. We're currently paying Hanners and Hill significant money, both who have done far less than Billings over the last 2 season's.
If we lose him, we lose him, but he's not the squib or liability you're making him out to be

Everybody on this Forum wanted DMac gone before this season

Apart from clickbait article who says Saints are letting him go? He has been offered his worth to us. If he accepts our offer we haven't let him go. If he decides to leave under FA we can match.

Only then if we don't match will we be letting him go.

Who says they’re letting him go? They’ve offered him a contract, but he is within his rights to look around. I think he’ll stay.

I think anyone calling him or any AFL player a squib is just pathetic, frankly.

 

[Sainter93]

Geez a lot of people overrate our list on here. Clark and Gresham A grade? I’m sorry but King is not even A grade yet. I think in 12 months time he will be though. If they were then we would be close to a top 4 side.

You need to be able to perform at an elite level week in, week out to be A grade. The only ones on our list that do this are Steele, Marshall and Wilkie. Special mention to Ryder too when fit.

We have about 5-10 young blokes who absolutely have the POTENTIAL to become A grade players. But are a fair way off it yet.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I reckon Dunstan is best 22, every year we hope, apart from last year we are disappointed. We have moved on 3/4 of the list in 3 years. That's a full rebuild if we push out what's left. We purge when things aren't immediate but keep the average ring-ins who are no better to justify their recruitment. At some point they have to do some hard work instead of hoping to get some more cast offs to create magic and subvert the normal rebuild model. We will be young and inexperienced next year, cutting away at that is a bad idea. If we lose a few of our best 10 players every year eventually we will either arse some development or hit the skids again and have to do it the hard way.

I suppose that’s where we differ.

To me Dunstan is not best 22 & is the very definition of an average ring in.

Who is in our best 10 that we are losing? Dunstan?

Sorry mate, 4 weeks of footy has not hoodwinked me.


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[Winmar2Lockett]

Dan's yep
Normally $49
Great Drop

For $50 join the Tim Adams wine club & grab an Aberfeldy shiraz… yummmmmm


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[Joffaboy]

Geez a lot of people overrate our list on here. Clark and Gresham A grade? I’m sorry but King is not even A grade yet. I think in 12 months time he will be though. If they were then we would be close to a top 4 side.

You need to be able to perform at an elite level week in, week out to be A grade. The only ones on our list that do this are Steele, Marshall and Wilkie. Special mention to Ryder too when fit.

We have about 5-10 young blokes who absolutely have the POTENTIAL to become A grade players. But are a fair way off it yet.

Wrong. See thats how opinions work.

 

[gringo2011]

I suppose that’s where we differ.

To me Dunstan is not best 22 & is the very definition of an average ring in.

Who is in our best 10 that we are losing? Dunstan?

Sorry mate, 4 weeks of footy has not hoodwinked me.


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Crouch has been behind him in the time Dunstan has been in so he is too. Dunstan has had 10 weeks of good footy. You sound like a Anti Vaxer, You can't see beyond what you believe no matter how much evidence is in front of you.

Apart from Steele none of our mids have much consistency. Dunstan has been very consistent since he got back in. I'd say Jones has the most point of difference but has issues with bringing it every game and seems to miss a chunk of most seasons with soft tissue issues. Crouch is pretty much a slightly less contested Dunstan, average disposal, lacks second efforts and at Adelaide was considered a bit of a one way mid. Dunstan has the disposal issues but better at the two way stuff, probably slightly less spread though. Seb Ross is pushed out to the wings because he's more outside than contested and we have a few developing mids to put pressure on the mids who are losing form. That's ideal.

Geelong's midfield is very similar to ours IMO with one gun and lots of good. To me we finally have a competitive midfield and people want organic growth to replace him. The same organic growth that took 8 years or how ever long it took Dunny to become a top mid. You need a lot of mids these days not 2 or 3.

 

[gringo2011]

For $50 join the Tim Adams wine club & grab an Aberfeldy shiraz… yummmmmm


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I've had the Aberfeldy, it's a good wine. $30 is a weekday wine, $50 is having someone over wine or an indulgence anyway. Bin 28 is it's equal and at $10 cheaper sounds like a good buy. Actually I just saw Dan's have the Aberfeldy at $51 so maybe need to do a taste test and grab one of both.