List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

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triggering bro · Sep 12, 2021

Joffaboy said:
Well you will eat your words in seasons to come.

Has played less than 20 games, give him a go.

I hope so. Just making a prediction on what I’ve observed so far.

Worth clarifying I haven’t written him off. Comparisons with a Ross & Dunstan suggests “he makes it”. I just don’t see him becoming a starting midfielder in a top 4 team competing for a flag.

Played this year as a 21 year old mid. Needs to show more to change my opinion. Has a bit of work to do.

gringo2011 · Sep 12, 2021

Minga said:
Totally. We absolutely f’ed everything up until 2017. But post 2017 I have tremendous faith in the clubs off-field performance. Hell, we should’ve been way behind Melbourne and Dogs given they hit those drafts well, yet we still did better then them last year. Their sweet spots are hitting now. Ours will start soon if our off-field performance keeps on delivering. It’s a testament to the club that we only pulled our finger out 2017ish and are competitive.

And if you think I’m being too optimistic or unrealistic, remember … Dogs lost an elimination final last year and Melbourne didn’t even make the eight. We’re in a very good spot to capitalise next year.

I think some of that was that the Dogs rebuilt after 2016 so played kids and bonded the side until they were ready to challenge again. We tried to stay up as high as we could under Richo so had the poor experienced list and didn't bring in high end kids.

CaptainRisky · Sep 12, 2021

BrutThough said:
I did read it. Just listed Sharman because I was naming the kids who played this year.

Judging by their performances this year and taking into account the 'potential' of them all, I think Connolly is the least likely of all our kids to make it long term.

ok

SaintsSeptember · Sep 12, 2021

BrutThough said:
Leo looks most likely to be out of the AFL system in 2 years. Had the least impact of all our kids in the games he has played.

He kicked his first goal before Bytel did.
Local rag gave him a decent write up.

Saint Leo makes AFL debut

Leo Connolly became the latest Latrobe Valley footballer to make his AFL debut last Friday night. In what was something [...]

latrobevalleyexpress.com.au

BrutThough · Sep 12, 2021

FootyMaster11 said:
That's a very big call, I'm bullish on him and think he could end up like Sinclair, just the way he moves, and kicks the ball, shows a lot of class and similarities. Looks to take the game on as well, something that not many of our players do at the moment.

I'm surprised that ranking Connolly lowest of all our kids would be considered a big call.

He is a good kick and wasnt afraid to take the game on. I get the Sinclair comparisons from a physical point, but Sincs has alway had elite vision and next level football smarts that few have and cant be taught which made up for his low disposal count for years.

triggering bro · Sep 12, 2021

Diehard Saint said:
Right now. But both still babes in term of experience. Both should hopefully be demanding spots for the majority of games this season.

I just look at their skill sets.

Byrnes looks like he could play just about anywhere. He fights hard for the footy & can run & spread. Could even play him forward or as an attacking running back based on his athletic profile. I really think he can reach Jack Steven levels.

On the other hand Bytel looks a bit one paced capable of being a contested pig but low impact/low metres gained type.

Would love nothing more than for Bytel to prove me wrong!

Bill Mohr · Sep 12, 2021

mighty_sainters said:
In regards to my previous post I wasn’t necessarily saying each pick they have nailed, I know both have screwed up certain picks but the top end of their talent has obviously come from the early picks.

My focus now would be drafting young in and under midfielders with quick hands, that seems to be where the game is going. Oliver/Macrae at the bottom of the pack flicking/throwing out handballs, they just make it look so simple and it gives the team first opportunity.

In my opinion we go for Ben King if possible but from now we need to go for the best available mid early.

I’m not saying Bytel, Byrnes, etc can’t be those players but if we want to increase our chances of finding that superstar it can’t always be a slider.

The methods they use to get the ball out come from the result of non stop training to master this activity. This is good coaching. These guys are good on the ground and on their knees and they always have someone there to handball too and then away they go. Do we have a coach in the club who can get ahead of the pack in this regard? Can anyone give an example of any strategies our coaches have used to our advantage in games, or even something that no one is else is doing?

triggering bro · Sep 12, 2021

CaptainRisky said:
I have been a huge Byrnes fan from day one but IMO Leo will be the best out of the three of them , has more tricks than all of them

I like Leo but he is very outside. He’s boom or bust. Byrnes looks like a sure thing IMO.

gringo2011 · Sep 12, 2021

triggering bro said:
I just look at their skill sets.

Byrnes looks like he could play just about anywhere. He fights hard for the footy & can run & spread. Could even play him forward or as an attacking running back based on his athletic profile. I really think he can reach Jack Steven levels.

On the other hand Bytel looks a bit one paced capable of being a contested pig but low impact/low metres gained type.

Woukd love nothing more than for Byte to prove me wrong!

He looks promising but hasn't really done anything yet.

BigMonty · Sep 12, 2021

Both preliminary finals won by teams with quick speedy mids who just seemed to break away from the contests and get the ball moving forward. Whereas Port and Geel played the precise kicking game and got their face ripped off.

Also both Port and Geel defenders sagged back and were beaten when players led up to the ball carrier.

We have most of it in place especially with Josh Sharman showing incredible footy smarts leading back to the ball carrier. Leaving King with a one on one more often if they cover Sharman. Defenders Can't be in two places at once.

We need another mid with a preference for breakaway speed as Clarke is good but not quick Gresh is but not big enough to break tackles. We have the other spots covered as well as any team.

Love to think Coff could do it but hasn't shown it yet.

Bont Trac Dusty types are all goal kicking break away premierships mids that's what we need....so does everyone else mind you.

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CaptainRisky · Sep 12, 2021

triggering bro said:
I like Leo but he is very outside. He’s boom or bust. Byrnes looks like a sure thing IMO.

Byrnes is very outside as well , not that matters to me , Leo is more of your back flanker with his pace and kicking ability , i like Byrnes dont get me wrong , i just think Leo will be better

MOLTEN GANGLANDS · Sep 12, 2021

triggering bro said:
I like Leo but he is very outside. He’s boom or bust. Byrnes looks like a sure thing IMO.

He plays with an intensity though that could serve him well once he builds up his body, could be a good contested player down the track

SaintsSeptember · Sep 12, 2021

triggering bro said:
I hope so. Just making a prediction on what I’ve observed so far.

Worth clarifying I haven’t written him off. Comparisons with a Ross & Dunstan suggests “he makes it”. I just don’t see him becoming a starting midfielder in a top 4 team competing for a flag.

Played this year as a 21 year old mid. Needs to show more to change my opinion. Has a bit of work to do.

Whatever.
He also played as a kid who lost more than a years worth of footy.

CaptainRisky · Sep 12, 2021

BrutThough said:
I'm surprised that ranking Connolly lowest of all our kids would be considered a big call.

He is a good kick and wasnt afraid to take the game on. I get the Sinclair comparisons from a physical point, but Sincs has alway had elite vision and next level football smarts that few have and cant be taught which made up for his low disposal count for years.

So now your comparing a bloke 26 vs a 20 yo , I'm not sure sinc's was a gun since day one , in fact Leos stats are better than Sinc's at the same stage

triggering bro · Sep 12, 2021

CaptainRisky said:
So now your comparing a bloke 26 vs a 20 yo , I'm not sure sinc's was a gun since day one , in fact Leos stats are better than Sinc's at the same stage

I’m a fan. He has plenty of tricks. Good pace, side step, kicking & vision. I’m not sure what his engine is like though because that’s what he will need to work on to make it as a damaging outside player. I don’t see much if any upside in the contested area.

BigMonty · Sep 12, 2021

CaptainRisky said:
Byrnes is very outside as well , not that matters to me , Leo is more of your back flanker with his pace and kicking ability , i like Byrnes dont get me wrong , i just think Leo will be better

Leo is like Aussie Jones in his first year exciting but also lots of flaws. He shows a bit and has lots of confidence just give him time to work out the impossible from the highly unlikely.
Byrnes is a bit more like Joel Smith just needs time to work it out.
Bytel no comparisons as yet..but he can play a bit....more Greg Burns I think but hopefully a yard quicker.
GIVE THEM TIME.
We are hoping for Clarke and Gresh to go the next level and we want these guys on the same bus.
They are 2 years away.

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ScrappyDo · Sep 12, 2021

triggering bro said:
I hope you are right but on exposed form he looks like a GOP which reflects the position he was selected at which is usually a hit & miss pick.

Possibly unfairly I am comparing him with other players from his draft class that were selected earlier…but kind of reinforces my point.

You know he slipped in the draft from missing u18s with stress fractures in his back right? Also missing his first AFL year after surgery, right? Did you read Joffaboy review his VFL game?

BrutThough · Sep 12, 2021

CaptainRisky said:
So now your comparing a bloke 26 vs a 20 yo , I'm not sure sinc's was a gun since day one , in fact Leos stats are better than Sinc's at the same stage

Was responding to someone who compared them. Did you even read what you were responding too?

Sinclair and Leo's stats at that age aren't exactly compatible given Sincs played as a small forward which is a lower possession position than half back and his averages are thrown off since he started sub a lot that year.

triggering bro · Sep 12, 2021

ScrappyDo said:
You know he slipped in the draft from missing u18s with stress fractures in his back right? Also missing his first AFL year after surgery, right? Did you read Joffaboy review his VFL game?

I didn’t read joffas review however I’m aware of his injuries.

Round 1 next year he’ll be 22. Needs to be aiming for regular senior footy & find it 20+ times.

Despite reading fans stating that before injuries he was tracking along with Walsh & Smith as one of the best mids of his draft class I haven’t seen it yet.

Maybe the recruiters knew something hence why he went pick 40? Plenty of injured juniors still go high so I don’t think we can use that excuse in isolation.

bird_man · Sep 12, 2021

BrutThough said:
I'm surprised that ranking Connolly lowest of all our kids would be considered a big call.

He is a good kick and wasnt afraid to take the game on. I get the Sinclair comparisons from a physical point, but Sincs has alway had elite vision and next level football smarts that few have and cant be taught which made up for his low disposal count for years.

I think the big call was suggesting he could not be on an AFL list in 2 years?

SaintsSeptember · Sep 12, 2021

The Unicorn said:
Explain what impact Wallis, JUH and Sam Darcy are having for this current dogs team. And wasn't hunter not bid on until round 3?

Also claiming that drafting Coffield was the right call because you avoided draft busts is laughable. He's no better than Fogarty. It's a lot easier getting touches playing in defense. Just ask Bailey Dale. And the excuse your team passed on Naughton was the right call because you had Carlisle doesn't sit well either. I didn't realise you only need one key defender at AFL level.

Naughton has performed very well for his age.
It would be foolish to wait until your Key Defenders are in their old age to recruit their replacments.
Mostly it takes several years until they are anything near competitive.
While i didn't like the idea of taking a tall in Naughton, i wasn't so keen on a hbf option either.

puppy_dog7 · Sep 12, 2021

Ducky Tie said:
Yeah they are a mile ahead of us with their list. They were always ahead of us with this list on elite talent, they just weren't putting it together. We aren't a list that is full of talent, performing well under our potential. Sure, we did underperform this year, but we're probably in that 5-8 range if we had the season we hoped for.

Melbourne have elite talent everywhere. Petracca, Oliver and Gawn are easily top 10 players in the comp. Arguably they are all top five. May and Lever both AA. Pickett has kicked 40 goals in his second season. Fritsch AA squad. Salem AA squad.

If we are to become a contender, it'll have to be closer to the Port Adelaide path than the Melbourne one.

And what were players like Fritsch and Salem seen as a year or so ago?
Good B grade players?

My point is that Salem has finally turned up to the level expected in his 8th year. Who’s to say one of Billings, Gresh or Clark can’t do something similar.

Who’s to say a Battle or Sharman don’t step up and be our Bailey Fritsch?

Or Dan Butler returns to 2020 form where he should have been AA.

My point is we have players who have the ability to step up in the next few years and for whatever reason had a down year, we’re injured or didn’t develop like we’d hoped.

For Melbourne, I see Gawn, Oliver, Petracca, May, Lever and Salem as their top line players, possibly Fritsch as well. They then have a few solid B graders in Viney, Harmes, Langdon, McDonald Brown and 2 really promising young players in Jackson and Pickett who look to even

but apart from that their depth imo isn’t as good as the dogs or even us for that matter. They’ve barely missed a single game from their top line players with May the only one missing a couple games.

Now obviously this isn’t an apt comparison as their quality is a bit better than ours but Take out Gawn for at least 8 weeks like Marshall/Ryder, then take out Petracca and Harmes our equivalent of Gresh and Jones for extended periods and Salem playing injured and missing a few equivalent to Billing’s and where does that leave them? Certainly not in a GF I’ll put it that way.

CaptainRisky · Sep 12, 2021

BrutThough said:
Was responding to someone who compared them. Did you even read what you were responding too?

Sinclair and Leo's stats at that age aren't exactly compatible given Sincs played as a small forward which is a lower possession position than half back and his averages are thrown off since he started sub a lot that year.

Yeah , sinc's was elite with his vision and kicking skills in his first year , that's why he went in the Rookie draft LOL

Joffaboy · Sep 12, 2021

triggering bro said:
I hope so. Just making a prediction on what I’ve observed so far.

Worth clarifying I haven’t written him off. Comparisons with a Ross & Dunstan suggests “he makes it”. I just don’t see him becoming a starting midfielder in a top 4 team competing for a flag.

Played this year as a 21 year old mid. Needs to show more to change my opinion. Has a bit of work to do.

Was touted as a FRDP and then was out a year with his back.
Debatable if that will affect his career.

Ok. Very big caveat on this. It was a very lowly Essendon VFL team and we absolutely pumped them. I was about to go at 3/4 but stayed specifically to watch Bytel absolutely tear it up in the guts, he must have got every clearance for the qtr, about 7, there was one he didn't as he was on the bench.
His disposal must have gone @ near 100%.

He was the closest thing to Bont I had seen in a Saints jersey.
Look I am a mug punter, and it was VFL. Plenty can kill it at VFL and spud it up in the seniors, the opposition was ordinary but Bytel was more than a prospect. Hanners played that game and Bytel made him look second rate.

His game v Freo was a good start, needs to get about 8 more possessions so a 25 possession 8 tackle 2 goal game would be eye catching.

He made me a believer that day v Essendon.

Mowman · Sep 12, 2021

CaptainRisky said:
Yeah , sinc's was elite with his vision and kicking skills in his first year , that's why he went in the Rookie draft LOL

Bit like Marshall and Sharman

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