List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

We are onto Part 3.

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[CaptainRisky]

Bit like Marshall and Sharman

You got one right , want to try again

 

[Mowman]

You got one right , want to try again

Rookie draft - Mid season draft same thing

 

[Joffaboy]

Bit like Marshall and Sharman

Didn't come in late because of cricket. Jack Billings apparently said have a look at him.
Was a bit of a speculator and had paid off. Took a few seasons but this season was excellent

 

[CaptainRisky]

Bit like Marshall and Sharman

Ps , I'm not having a go at Sinc's , I'm just saying he wasn't elite in his first year , Same as Marshall wasn't elite in his first year and still isn't elite

 

[puppy_dog7]

I should also mention that the player I’m most bullish on is Byrnes.

Has all the traits to get the most out of his football career. Hard worker, genuinely wants to learn and has captain material written all over him.

In terms of his playing style he has similarities to a Jack Steven

9

Jack Steven

Age

35

Ht

180cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.7

5star

K

12.7

5star

HB

11.0

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.5

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

14.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.8

4star

CL

2.5

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

4.8

5star

CL

0.8

3star

/Lachie Neale

9

Lachie Neale

Age

32

Ht

177cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.0

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

15.5

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.7

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

28.3

5star

K

13.9

5star

HB

14.4

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

7.4

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

type where he wasn’t a high pick, started playing as a forward with small stints in the midfield but has that contested ability and quick burst from from stoppage. He gets to the right areas to receive the ball as well which is highlighted by his high number of marks for someone that plays the role he does.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Rookie draft - Mid season draft same thing

Oh yes of course

 

[Mowman]

Ps , I'm not having a go at Sinc's , I'm just saying he wasn't elite in his first year , Same as Marshall wasn't elite in his first year and still isn't elite

Yep that's fair
Not many are elite 1st year

 

[CaptainRisky]

I should also mention that the player I’m most bullish on is Byrnes.

Has all the traits to get the most out of his football career. Hard worker, genuinely wants to learn and has captain material written all over him.

In terms of his playing style he has similarities to a Jack Steven/Lachie Neale type where he wasn’t a high pick, started playing as a forward with small stints in the midfield but has that contested ability and quick burst from from stoppage. He gets to the right areas to receive the ball as well which is highlighted by his high number of marks for someone that plays the role he does.

You cant use the Neale type as i said that ages ago about him

 

[BrutThough]

Yeah , sinc's was elite with his vision and kicking skills in his first year , that's why he went in the Rookie draft LOL

Always been a very smart player with very good skills regardless of where he was drafted.

 

[Mowman]

Oh yes of course

Don't agree ?

 

[lewdogs]

Was touted as a FRDP and then was out a year with his back.
Debatable if that will affect his career.

Ok. Very big caveat on this. It was a very lowly Essendon VFL team and we absolutely pumped them. I was about to go at 3/4 but stayed specifically to watch Bytel absolutely tear it up in the guts, he must have got every clearance for the qtr, about 7, there was one he didn't as he was on the bench.
His disposal must have gone @ near 100%.

He was the closest thing to Bont I had seen in a Saints jersey.
Look I am a mug punter, and it was VFL. Plenty can kill it at VFL and spud it up in the seniors, the opposition was ordinary but Bytel was more than a prospect. Hanners played that game and Bytel made him look second rate.

His game v Freo was a good start, needs to get about 8 more possessions so a 25 possession 8 tackle 2 goal game would be eye catching.

He made me a believer that day v Essendon.

His Freo game was promising with the goals. Another you'd love to see come top 10 in the time trial. You're spot on, if he can develop a tank and start getting 25+ a game then we will know what he is. The question is can he develop the tank required to be an AFL mid.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Always been a very smart player with very good skills regardless of where he was drafted.

Again your not getting it , correct draft positions don't matter, i was just saying that you telling me he was elite at the same stage as Leo was a tad over the top ,,, Anywho

 

[CaptainRisky]

Don't agree ?

Nah ,

 

[BrutThough]

Again your not getting it , correct draft positions don't matter, i was just saying that you telling me he was elite at the same stage as Leo was a tad over the top ,,, Anywho

I didn't say Sinclair was an elite player from the moment he started. But he's skills have always been top notch and he has always had very high football smarts which made up for a lot of his weaknesses.

 

[St Kilda Death]

We really haven't nailed drafts since we got Brendan Goddard though, there is luck and then there is incompetence. Melbourne and Dogs have busts but when they get them right they get them really right. We've blown a multitude of drafts and traded out of others and have fu** all to show for it. Even Carlton have nailed some of their firsts in Walsh and McKay types. We have to get that right or we will sit in this 9th to 15th range for ever.

King, gresh, Clark, Coffield, Billings in the first round.

Marshall, Sinclair, Paton, Sharman, Bytel, Byrnes, Connolly, Wilkie, highmore later picks.

trading in Steele, higgins, crouch, Howard, Butler, Jones, hill, membrey.

not bad recruiting for the last 8 years. Even when injuries ruined mccartin, Goddard, hanners and Jake.

problem is all we have to show before that. Whereas melb already had viney, MacDonald and max the pussy destroyer Gawn on their list prior to 2013.
and that’s where I think we are at, a couple of stars and a bit of tall depth behind the 8 ball.

 

[Browny2Carlisle]

I don’t know how others don’t see it but to me Jack Bytel looks so much like another young Jack who went on to become one of the best kids in the game and captain St kilda

 

[CaptainRisky]

And just for anyone thinking im having a crack at him , Below is what i posted a year ago

I know Byrnes first game was a let down to some , iv seen enough to know he will be starting 22 next season , he was playing better than Bytel in the practice games , i think the moment just got to him

 

[CaptainRisky]

I didn't say Sinclair was an elite player from the moment he started. But he's skills have always been top notch and he has always had very high football smarts which made up for a lot of his weaknesses.

So you didnt say this ?

but Sincs has alway had elite vision and next level football smarts

 

[puppy_dog7]

You cant use the Neale type as i said that ages ago about him

Great minds think alike

 

[triggering bro]

I don’t know how others don’t see it but to me Jack Bytel looks so much like another young Jack who went on to become one of the best kids in the game and captain St kilda

Need to see glimpses at senior level. I wasn’t expecting him to play 22 games & average 25 disposals this year but would’ve liked to see him put one or two games together where he found it 25+ at the top level. Doesn’t need opportunities, needs to demand opportunity.

 

[CaptainRisky]

 

[St Kilda Death]

Was touted as a FRDP and then was out a year with his back.
Debatable if that will affect his career.

Ok. Very big caveat on this. It was a very lowly Essendon VFL team and we absolutely pumped them. I was about to go at 3/4 but stayed specifically to watch Bytel absolutely tear it up in the guts, he must have got every clearance for the qtr, about 7, there was one he didn't as he was on the bench.
His disposal must have gone @ near 100%.

He was the closest thing to Bont I had seen in a Saints jersey.
Look I am a mug punter, and it was VFL. Plenty can kill it at VFL and spud it up in the seniors, the opposition was ordinary but Bytel was more than a prospect. Hanners played that game and Bytel made him look second rate.

His game v Freo was a good start, needs to get about 8 more possessions so a 25 possession 8 tackle 2 goal game would be eye catching.

He made me a believer that day v Essendon.

Stop it.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Great minds think alike

My post from Oct last year


Leo looks like he has a very good brain and is a good user of the ball , Byrnes is just a see ball get ball and take off with his speed ( reminds me of a young Lachie Neale ) with more pace and Bytel hopefully turns out to be a Jack Steele clone , if that all works out we are in for some fun

 

[BrutThough]

So you didnt say this ?

but Sincs has alway had elite vision and next level football smarts

Saying one attribute a player has is top level - so in this case Sinclair and his vision/footy smarts - isnt saying that he is an elite player. It's just praising one aspect of his game.

There are a lot of things he's had to work on over the journey to get himself to the level he is now. But he's had the natural smarts since day 1.

 

[puppy_dog7]

My post from Oct last year


Leo looks like he has a very good brain and is a good user of the ball , Byrnes is just a see ball get ball and take off with his speed ( reminds me of a young Lachie Neale ) with more pace and Bytel hopefully turns out to be a Jack Steele clone , if that all works out we are in for some fun

Couldn’t agree more with you on these comparisons.
I envy the blokes that can go watch training and match sim stuff, as that’s where you can genuinely see the potential in young players.