List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

We are onto Part 3.

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[joydivision22]

Well I stand corrected!

Stand by for a day of Pelican posts now!


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I also recall reading a long form retrospective article which walked through the painful minutia including Richo's 'captain's call' on Paddy. The main argument that won the day was the Boyd $1m x 7 and high draft capital trade it would take to get in a key forward if we didn't take one now. The comment was "let's draft him at no. 1 and get him to fall in love with the place". I'll try and hunt it down and post later.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I also recall reading a long form retrospective article which walked through the painful minutia including Richo's 'captain's call' on Paddy. The main argument that won the day was the Boyd $1m x 7 and high draft capital trade it would take to get in a key forward if we didn't take one now. The comment was "let's draft him at no. 1 and get him to fall in love with the place". I'll try and hunt it down and post later.

Check out Emma Quayle’s book.

It wasn’t Cho’s call… Trout loved Paddy after Petracca’s interviews were less than impressive.


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[gringo2011]

Check out Emma Quayle’s book.

It wasn’t Cho’s call… Trout loved Paddy after Petracca’s interviews were less than impressive.


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I seem to remember suggestions that Richo knew the Petraccas so didn't want to influence the decision too. Trout might as well have been an Essendon funded double agent with the list carnage that we suffered.

 

[Darrian Barnett]

This mccartin/petracca talk is making me straight depressed. Can someone make up a rumour or something instead? It was 7 years ago, let's agree that it was dangerously incompetent drafting and move on.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

I seem to remember suggestions that Richo knew the Petraccas so didn't want to influence the decision too. Trout might as well have been an Essendon funded double agent with the list carnage that we suffered.

The Trout thought he was pretty deadly too

 

[SaintJunior]

This mccartin/petracca talk is making me straight depressed. Can someone make up a rumour or something instead? It was 7 years ago, let's agree that it was dangerously incompetent drafting and move on.

Heard with pick nine we will take the highest ranked diabetic on our list.

In all seriousness we need to move on and just get future picks spot on.

 

[JediSaint]

"He's had some good success on the wing"

When was this success?

The Saints also appointed ex-GWS assistant and Jack Steele's former housemate Nick Walsh as its new fitness boss in recent weeks.

This can be a good thing. Steeles work rate has been massive.

 

[Rors]

Saints knocked back two for pick No. 1

St Kilda spurned a Greater Western Sydney offer in which the Saints would have received picks 4 and 7 in the national draft in exchange for pick no 1.

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FWIW, the 2014 proposed trade with GWS was going to be picks 4 & 7 for picks 1 & 20. GWS were never seriously considering the deal without pick 20 involved. But they certainly wanted Petracca badly

 

[JediSaint]

Its a worry if Ratts still cant see Battle is not a wing

highlighting to possible recruiters for a trade maybe?

 

[luca77]

I also recall reading a long form retrospective article which walked through the painful minutia including Richo's 'captain's call' on Paddy. The main argument that won the day was the Boyd $1m x 7 and high draft capital trade it would take to get in a key forward if we didn't take one now. The comment was "let's draft him at no. 1 and get him to fall in love with the place". I'll try and hunt it down and post later.

I've said this a few times, but there was a video floating around which showed Richo and someone else (Finnis? Was he already there?) coming into a room and speaking to Trout, saying "are you sure about this? we absolutely have to get this right". Trout was sitting there brimming with confidence and was espousing the qualities of Paddy, talking about coming from a good football family, great kid, couldn't be more certain etc etc etc.

It was definitely not a captains call, or Richo's call at all from what I saw on that video.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I don't think size is an issue at all in our midfield.

Steele, Crouch, Bytel all big bodied mids and hopefully another off season in the gym and Clark can work on those spagghetti arms as well.

We really need a bit more class in there IMO, someone that can cover the ground like Walsh and Merrett etc.

If they happen to have a bit of size well that's just an added bonus I guess.

We need class and pace. I hope we'll be pushing Byrnes, Clark and Coff through there as much as possible. We have enough coverage in the backline to make the change.

 

[The Punter]

If Petracca interviewed poorly, it may be in part because he didn't want to come to St Kilda.

If that is true, in what plane of reality would Petracca have become a good player for us?

As always, the "what if" draft talk always ignores development.

IMO Geelong and Sydney don't draft diamonds in the rough - they'll develop almost anyone to be good AFL players.

 

[gringo2011]

If Petracca interviewed poorly, it may be in part because he didn't want to come to St Kilda.

If that is true, in what plane of reality would Petracca have become a good player for us?

As always, the "what if" draft talk always ignores development.

IMO Geelong and Sydney don't draft diamonds in the rough - they'll develop almost anyone to be good AFL players.

I think he was over confident and a bit of a flog, nothing serious. We still had our no dickheads policy and didn't like self confidence or arrogance. Unfortunately the wrote off a lot of young guys at the top end of drafts.

 

[The Punter]

I think he was over confident and a bit of a flog, nothing serious. We still had our no dickheads policy and didn't like self confidence or arrogance. Unfortunately the wrote off a lot of young guys at the top end of drafts.

Funny thing is we drafted Gresham and traded for Carlisle the very next year. Carlisle a bit of a twit at times, and while Gresham is no d---head, he had plenty of confidence from the word go.

 

[Fehring]

If Petracca interviewed poorly, it may be in part because he didn't want to come to St Kilda.

If that is true, in what plane of reality would Petracca have become a good player for us?

As always, the "what if" draft talk always ignores development.

IMO Geelong and Sydney don't draft diamonds in the rough - they'll develop almost anyone to be good AFL players.

I read at the time that Petracca basically begged us to take him at no 1 and said he wouldn't let us down.

 

[bird_man]

We need class and pace. I hope we'll be pushing Byrnes, Clark and Coff through there as much as possible. We have enough coverage in the backline to make the change.

I don't see Coff being able to make that transition unfortunately. Just seems to lack the ability to win contested footy and looks a bit fumbly when the ball is in tight.

Clark needs to have a big pre season and show the coaches he's desperate to get in there. He's wasted off a back flank and has the ability to be an a grade mid.

Byrnes a like too but we really need more top end talent in there.

 

[staffonly]

Swings and round about but unless we put together a finals ready dominant side instead of watching all our misses dominate, this will keep going on. The problem is still that the hits are rarer than misses and so the list is still a work in progress after 9 years in the wilderness. We look a lot better placed than we were then though so that's a positive.

We had probably the worst drafting of any side in the post competitive balance era. Pretty much 2002 until 2018 we drafted way below the industry standard. We just have to own it and move forward. Hopefully Libba is the man that takes us forward but I hope that if he doesn't nail high picks we move him on quickly this time. We can't have another 10 years test driving key appointments that can't do their job to a high enough standard.

We built a list from 2000-2004 that competed right up until 2011. We then had to try and rebuild through heavily compromised draft. Along the journey we haven't had one Academy or Father son gift to kick us along.

 

[Sunshine Sainter]

Is that when they appointed Richo as an assistant coach?

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Melbourne now have Richo. Think of how good they could have been had he not gone there with his professional help?

 

[Rors]

Our biggest issue is drafting & development - its been horrific for a decade

Biggest indicator of that is our current #1 midfield rotation - Steele, Crouch, Jones - all players poached from other clubs

I dont think there is another club in the league who's best midfield 3 are all players from other clubs

Very much hoping the tide has turned with the likes of Gresham, Clark, potentially even Coffield being able to go through there. Coffield is the interesting one for mine - his under 18 year had him rolling from half back & into the midfield - he had some epic head to head battles with Cam Rayner in the guts & would just about break even. Hope we could bring that edge back into his game

As for trades this year, I'd be looking at potentially giving Robbie Tarrant

6

Robbie Tarrant

Age

36

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.5

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.8

4star

MG

284.7

4star

D

15.1

4star

K

11.9

5star

HB

3.3

2star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

359.3

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

a deal if he's not getting one at North - feel he's a safer defensive backup than Talia even though he's older.

Narkle & Constable are interesting ones. I'd say yes to both, but only take Constable if both Ross & Dunstan leave. Narkle could potentially play half forward, wing & roll through the middle as well, ideally in a Shai Bolton

15

Shai Bolton

Age

26

Ht

176cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.3

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

9.2

4star

HB

3.5

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.8

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

-type role

 

[staffonly]

If Petracca interviewed poorly, it may be in part because he didn't want to come to St Kilda.

If that is true, in what plane of reality would Petracca have become a good player for us?

As always, the "what if" draft talk always ignores development.

IMO Geelong and Sydney don't draft diamonds in the rough - they'll develop almost anyone to be good AFL players.

Well that's just garbage right there. In fact its a myth.

 

[sammm]

Jeremy Cameron might be available now.

maybe geelong will offload him as he is too young for them

 

[staffonly]

Our biggest issue is drafting & development - its been horrific for a decade

Biggest indicator of that is our current #1 midfield rotation - Steele, Crouch, Jones - all players poached from other clubs

I dont think there is another club in the league who's best midfield 3 are all players from other clubs

Very much hoping the tide has turned with the likes of Gresham, Clark, potentially even Coffield being able to go through there. Coffield is the interesting one for mine - his under 18 year had him rolling from half back & into the midfield - he had some epic head to head battles with Cam Rayner in the guts & would just about break even. Hope we could bring that edge back into his game

As for trades this year, I'd be looking at potentially giving Robbie Tarrant a deal if he's not getting one at North - feel he's a safer defensive backup than Talia even though he's older.

Narkle & Constable are interesting ones. I'd say yes to both, but only take Constable if both Ross & Dunstan leave. Narkle could potentially play half forward, wing & roll through the middle as well, ideally in a Shai Bolton-type role

Melbourne back 6 are 3 clubs poached from other clubs.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I don't see Coff being able to make that transition unfortunately. Just seems to lack the ability to win contested footy and looks a bit fumbly when the ball is in tight.

Clark needs to have a big pre season and show the coaches he's desperate to get in there. He's wasted off a back flank and has the ability to be an a grade mid.

Byrnes a like too but we really need more top end talent in there.

It's just a hunch, but l see similar in Coff's issues to the Mk1 Dmac issues and l think the same remedy could work well. "Go out and play attacking footy" to free his mind.
That's what he was allowed to do in 2020.

He doesn't do well as an accountable defender and with Pato and Jimmy (and Wilkie) both available its a clear opportunity to push Coff up the ground and utilize his strengths.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

If Petracca interviewed poorly, it may be in part because he didn't want to come to St Kilda.

If that is true, in what plane of reality would Petracca have become a good player for us?

As always, the "what if" draft talk always ignores development.

IMO Geelong and Sydney don't draft diamonds in the rough - they'll develop almost anyone to be good AFL players.

Ryan Gamble, Charlie Gardiner.
Daniel Menzel. Billy Smedts , Darcy Lang, Fogarty

Clutching at straws to say that Petracca didn't want to come to StKilda.

 

[The Punter]

Firstly, I wrote "IF THAT IS TRUE" - maybe you'll read it if it is bigger letters.

And the development issue is clear - there's not much of an argument there.