List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

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Joffaboy · Oct 6, 2021

Murraj1966 said:
My worries are as follows:

Clark doesn't have the drive to become an elite player

Fair Enough

Murraj1966 said:
Coff is a straight up bust and never gets back to the promise of 2020

lol wat?

Murraj1966 said:
Gresh is another ruined by injury story

has had injuries but why ruined? He needs a lot of work after the achilles injury but a bit extreme

Murraj1966 said:
Allison was a complete whiff with a technical first round pick

Come on mate pick 26, and is 19, cut the kid a bit of slack.

Murraj1966 said:
Hill cost us a chance at a Serong type

yeah fair enough, but it was one part of a bunch of moving part that changed pick 6 and 59 and a couple of future picks into 5 first 22 players, so I look at the big picture

Murraj1966 said:
Don't mind the other trades that much considering they were targeted needs but that feeling of lacking any real top line talent besides King and Steele was only exacerbated by Melbourne's performance on GF day.

Yes I have the same feeling, we are all getting impatient and looking like hitting the draft will have us cooling our heels in 2022, then taking Bing.

It is a big risk if the young ones don't come on next year.

gringo2011 · Oct 6, 2021

Joffaboy said:
Don't mean to put you under the pump, who have we missed with our drafts comparable to the McCartin/ Petracca debacle? Still reckon Billings wasn't a mistake, just a good pick by the Bulldogs.

Clark
Coffield
King
Gresham

have been our top picks

Howard
Butler
Jones
Ryder
Higgins
Crouch

All were good recruits.

Hill can be argued that he cost too much for his output and that is fair enough

Then we have speculators
Sharman
Wilkie
Highmore
Byrnes
Connelly

I thnk we have not made any McCartin mistakes.

If Suns had taken both Kings, I would have gone Bailey Smith @ 4, but we can hardly say King is a bust.

In 6 years if we haven't won a flag, like ever team, we would all be saying we didn't do this or that, but that is the nature of football.

Not a heap of mistakes lately but we have had to build the list in 3 years after replacing 3/4 of the list. It cost draft and trade capital to do it. We have paid up big for players you usually would have picked late and developed yourself. So far only King and really early but Sharman are looking like heading on an elite path. Marshall as well actually.

Clark, Coffield and Gresham are all getting to make or break point. They are on the cusp of stepping up or staying GOPs. If that happens we are in for a world of pain with little top end kids coming through. Bytel and Byrnes are the only kids that have some real top end potential but they were speculative picks and would have to defy history to become elite. If they do we've done really well.

We haven't followed a usual path of drafting kids then decorating the tree with some tinsel. We bought the tinsel and are now poking branches into it hoping that we can fill it in.

Essendon is probably the closest model to that in recent times and they have stepped back to the draft. Sides with one elite player rarely win premierships so we'd have to get a few tipping into that from the current group and new recruits to really step up to get to Melbourne level.

joydivision22 · Oct 6, 2021

I don't think I could love the nickname 'spook' more. Would love to hear the reasons/story behind it if anyone can shed some light lol Can only assume he's a bit of a creep with women or hangs out in the smoker's asking randoms for smokes

Saintbloke · Oct 6, 2021

SaintsSeptember said:
So he left the Saints, because he was not happy that he might be playing VFL.
And....now he's behind Oliver, Petracca, Viney etc.
OK Luke, whatever floats your boat.

Dunstan got healthy Brownlow votes due to a handful of very good games, yet we had quite a few players who didn't get votes, and it shows me we had too many under-performers this season..too much inconsistency which is why we lost games that we were pencilled in to win, and in the end cost us a finals berth. We do need top get more class in the midfield for a start.

Murraj1966 · Oct 6, 2021

Joffaboy said:
Fair Enough

lol wat?

has had injuries but why ruined? He needs a lot of work after the achilles injury but a bit extreme

Come on mate pick 26, and is 19, cut the kid a bit of slack.

yeah fair enough, but it was one part of a bunch of moving part that changed pick 6 and 59 and a couple of future picks into 5 first 22 players, so I look at the big picture

Yes I have the same feeling, we are all getting impatient and looking like hitting the draft will have us cooling our heels in 2022, then taking Bing.

It is a big risk if the young ones don't come on next year.

All fair points and I'm not saying I think these things are the truth, but the pessimistic, beaten down St Kilda fan in me keeps whispering in my ear that it's what will happen.

Hubnester · Oct 6, 2021

joydivision22 said:
I don't think I could love the nickname 'spook' more. Would love to hear the reasons/story behind it if anyone can shed some light lol Can only assume he's a bit of a creep with women or hangs out in the smoker's asking randoms for smokes

It rhymes

gringo2011 · Oct 6, 2021

Winmar2Lockett said:
What’s a lucky miss?

Ameetos played it beautifully.

You can’t give the club any credit at all can you?

Have a look at what they gave up compared to what we did for Hill.

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What did he do? Sold our picks off to the Hawks. I reckon it was insane still when we needed to get players in and develop them, it was a misread as to how good our list was. It got us Battle and Long who are probably not going to be on the list in a couple of seasons and Clark who may have been there at the Coffield pick any way.

We chased O'Meara too but he rejected us. I wish they'd just act like a normal club and not do stupid speculative stuff. Realistically Ameet was part of the Trout era of drafting where in a few years there will be hardly a player left off that list. It was probably the worst period of drafting/trading in the professional era for any club. He was the most overhyped administrator we have ever had.

We love our saviours and even defend them when there was no evidence that they were any good.

SaintsSeptember · Oct 6, 2021

Rors said:
I would settle for end of 3rd round compo

I think we get compensation if he's paid more than the bottom 30% of players. Major fail on his behalf if he's not.
We get better compensation if he's paid above average.

kernelT · Oct 6, 2021

Reigning premier with a stacked midfield picking up Dunstan, he must be shit.

Melts are going to be elite if he plays finals next year.

Saintos The ITK · Oct 6, 2021

Probably his best chance at getting a premiership medal.

St Kilda Death · Oct 6, 2021

joydivision22 said:
I don't think I could love the nickname 'spook' more. Would love to hear the reasons/story behind it if anyone can shed some light lol Can only assume he's a bit of a creep with women or hangs out in the smoker's asking randoms for smokes

I just always assumed it was because he looked spooky.
Like nosferatu.

AaronSCHQ · Oct 6, 2021

kernelT said:
Reigning premier with a stacked midfield picking up Dunstan, he must be sh*t.

Melts are going to be elite if he plays finals next year.

Would hope most people are a bit prouder of themselves than that... Luke was an okay player for 6 or 7 seasons. This year was the main year of improvement but I believe the horse had already bolted. We also have a few players with a similar skill set and similar deficiencies. There were clearly internal issues as well. I don't see a spot for him in our side, he's had 8 years. If his skill set can improve or complement another side, even if they're in the finals, godspeed to him.

Saintos The ITK · Oct 6, 2021

joydivision22 said:
I don't think I could love the nickname 'spook' more. Would love to hear the reasons/story behind it if anyone can shed some light lol Can only assume he's a bit of a creep with women or hangs out in the smoker's asking randoms for smokes

It rhymes with Luke

The Punter · Oct 6, 2021

gringo2011 said:
What did he do? Sold our picks off to the Hawks. I reckon it was insane still when we needed to get players in and develop them, it was a misread as to how good our list was. It got us Battle and Long who are probably not going to be on the list in a couple of seasons and Clark who may have been there at the Coffield pick any way.

We chased O'Meara too but he rejected us. I wish they'd just act like a normal club and not do stupid speculative stuff. Realistically Ameet was part of the Trout era of drafting where in a few years there will be hardly a player left off that list. It was probably the worst period of drafting/trading in the professional era for any club. He was the most overhyped administrator we have ever had.

We love our saviours and even defend them when there was no evidence that they were any good.

The bolded part if getting into "all-time overblown hyperbole" range. Brisbane at the end of 2009, Fremantle's entire first decade, Melbourne 2007-2012, Carlton mid 2010s... easy to think of worse periods than this one.

KingsRansom · Oct 6, 2021

austinnn said:
Not to return the exhausting - life sapping really - debate on whither Xerri, can I be the first to ask those who know:

What is the geographical origin of his exotic surname and how is it pronounced?

Sherry?
Cherry?
Jerry?
Serry?
Kserry?
Erry?

Just call him Billy....all great ruckman are called Billy

Joffaboy · Oct 6, 2021

gringo2011 said:
Not a heap of mistakes lately but we have had to build the list in 3 years after replacing 3/4 of the list. It cost draft and trade capital to do it. We have paid up big for players you usually would have picked late and developed yourself. So far only King and really early but Sharman are looking like heading on an elite path. Marshall as well actually.

Clark, Coffield and Gresham are all getting to make or break point. They are on the cusp of stepping up or staying GOPs. If that happens we are in for a world of pain with little top end kids coming through. Bytel and Byrnes are the only kids that have some real top end potential but they were speculative picks and would have to defy history to become elite. If they do we've done really well.

We haven't followed a usual path of drafting kids then decorating the tree with some tinsel. We bought the tinsel and are now poking branches into it hoping that we can fill it in.

Essendon is probably the closest model to that in recent times and they have stepped back to the draft. Sides with one elite player rarely win premierships so we'd have to get a few tipping into that from the current group and new recruits to really step up to get to Melbourne level.

Agree we don't have top end superstars, however I find it interesting that Gresham 24, Clark 22, and Coffield 22 are approaching make or break, but you you wanted to keep Dunstan who was 26 after a couple of good games. Why does he get 4 more years than Clark and Coff and 2 more than Gres?

I would say Byrnes, Bytel, Connelly, Sharman, Highmore, Butler, and Higgins all have lots of upside especially if we use the Luke Dunstan rule.

Rors · Oct 6, 2021

joydivision22 said:
I don't think I could love the nickname 'spook' more. Would love to hear the reasons/story behind it if anyone can shed some light lol Can only assume he's a bit of a creep with women or hangs out in the smoker's asking randoms for smokes

I always thought it was just cos it rhymes with Luke

Spooky Luke

St Kilda Death · Oct 6, 2021

It’s a really smart pick up by melb.
Looking to go back to back,
An injury to Oliver or even viney could have proven catastrophic to their hopes.
Now spook could slot right in for either of those 2, obv a downgrade on Oliver but allows them to stick to their system/gameplan without hassle should the situation arise.

BrutThough · Oct 6, 2021

pebblesofsand said:
Given how many are on basic 2 year contracts, a 2 year contract at a higher $'s will be enough for Top 70%

The bands are as follows:

- Top five per cent = first-round pick

- Top 15 per cent = end-of-first-round pick

- Top 30 per cent = second-round pick

- Top 50 per cent = end-of-second-round pick

- Top 70 per cent = third-round pick

The 3rd rounder would be great, but will Melbourne be paying him above the minimum contract?

StCicatriz · Oct 6, 2021

Surely we get some kind of compo for dunstan

StCicatriz · Oct 6, 2021

pebblesofsand said:
Given how many are on basic 2 year contracts, a 2 year contract at a higher $'s will be enough for Top 70%

The bands are as follows:

- Top five per cent = first-round pick

- Top 15 per cent = end-of-first-round pick

- Top 30 per cent = second-round pick

- Top 50 per cent = end-of-second-round pick

- Top 70 per cent = third-round pick

What's the average AFL salary?

It's based on average for that year right?

So if I have a 5 year deal on 200k a year then it's the same as a 1 year deal on 200k?

Or do they look at total?

Joffaboy · Oct 6, 2021

Saintbloke said:
Dunstan got healthy Brownlow votes due to a handful of very good games, yet we had quite a few players who didn't get votes, and it shows me we had too many under-performers this season..too much inconsistency which is why we lost games that we were pencilled in to win, and in the end cost us a finals berth. We do need top get more class in the midfield for a start.

Sinclair not one Brownlow vote, King 3 Brownlow votes. Dunstan must be infinitely better than both going off Brownlow votes

SaintsSeptember · Oct 6, 2021

gringo2011 said:
What did he do? Sold our picks off to the Hawks. I reckon it was insane still when we needed to get players in and develop them, it was a misread as to how good our list was. It got us Battle and Long who are probably not going to be on the list in a couple of seasons and Clark who may have been there at the Coffield pick any way.

We chased O'Meara too but he rejected us. I wish they'd just act like a normal club and not do stupid speculative stuff. Realistically Ameet was part of the Trout era of drafting where in a few years there will be hardly a player left off that list. It was probably the worst period of drafting/trading in the professional era for any club. He was the most overhyped administrator we have ever had.

We love our saviours and even defend them when there was no evidence that they were any good.

Was a pretty good draft/trade season.
We used the following year's 2nd round pick to bring in a ready to go young mid - Jack Steele.

The Hawks trade was for our first and 4th, we got the Coffield pick plus a second and third.
The best we probably could have hoped for would have been Florent or Venables.
Instead we ended up with all of Coffield , Long , and Battle.

I still think Long was an odd choice, but that reflects our recruiters rather than the deal done with the Hawks, which was very favourable to us.
God knows why we didn't choose Bolton.

Diehard Saint · Oct 6, 2021

MickG88 said:
A heart warming reunion with Richo. Couldn't get Cerra so they settle for Dunstan.

Good luck to Luke.
Not sure how he’s not going to be just depth there though.

BrutThough · Oct 6, 2021

Joffaboy said:
Sinclair not one Brownlow vote, King 3 Brownlow votes. Dunstan must be infinitely better than both going off Brownlow votes

Dunstan got 1 less Brownlow vote than AA Midfielder Jack Macrae. Clearly equivalent players who had equivalent seasons.

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