Analysis 2021 trade thread

[Mighty Lions]

Well that'd be good wouldn't it. If he was ready.

What if he's not back at all ?

I'm simply extrapolating 12 months from when he went down and I think any sensible person would also take into account contingencies, match fitness and having a guess.

Is that not allowed or do you know precisely when he'll be back. For sure.

I have no "certain" idea as to when he may/may not be back however reports are saying he is well ahead of his rehab schedule. Taking into account he went down early July, and its (like you say) normally a 12 month injury, I would have a guess at late July being his return to playing. That may/may not be a few games in the 2's first up but thats another discussion for a time closer to July I would think. I would definitely not use the words "certainly not happening until the latter part of the 2022".......if that's allowed.

 

[lioninthesand]

Fullarton isn't Hipwood or McStay.

That not the point at all. Clearly the post was to highlight what commitment to a 5 tall set up would look like - using our most recent team as an example. The same applies if it's Hipwood - he is not a pressure forward.

 

[Dalions]

Daly has said we are after Fort as a back up tap ruckman. He will get here I am sure. I dont understand why we are putting page after page discussing it?

Because it is possibly the only trade the Lions look like doing.
And this is the Trade discussion thread after all.
The talk has gone from Casboult to Fort to Cox back to Casboult and back to Fort and as the club has set it’s sites on Fort, then so have we with the discussion.

 

[cotter101]

O'Meara is worth a go.

Would be awesome to see Lyons and Jaeger sticking it to the Suns next year.

No cap space and we want to take our first rounders to the draft because we haven’t for a few years.

 

[Nunez]

No cap space and we want to take our first rounders to the draft because we haven’t for a few years.

To be fair if we did add O'Meara and had injuries go our way next year, we'd have the best midfield in the competition.

 

[Dalions]

To be fair if we did add O'Meara and had injuries go our way next year, we'd have the best midfield in the competition.

It is another risk though isn’t it?
We have had some luck in that area with injury prone players that we have brought in, but it might bite us on the bum at some point continuing down that same path.

 

[blueiris]

No cap space and we want to take our first rounders to the draft because we haven’t for a few years.

We drafted Coleman in the first last season we have a pick under 20 though for 3 years

 

[25 years on]

I think with the addition of Fort we will have a well rounded list with reasonable cover in all positions and with the natural improvement of our younger players I feel more confident with our chances going into next year.

 

[blueiris]

I feel like until the club says otherwise, we can assume Hippy's recovery will be 12 months between injury and return to senior footy. He did his knee on 10 July. Most years, that's round 16/17. I think we can put plans in place for his return to the side around then - that's the most likely scenario IMO.

Yes, the reports are that it wasn't a "good" ACL but neither has the club or anyone else said that the same recovery path won't apply. A "good" ACL injury sometimes allows a player to return earlier. But, unless there's a real setback, the stock standard recovery period is 12 months.

Rayner was apparently ready to go round 15 this season but he’s list spot was taken by Lane and we couldn’t elevate someone else in he’s place it Definitely depends on Hipwood’s recovery rate

 

[Nunez]

Rayner was apparently ready to go round 15 this season but he’s list spot was taken by Lane and we couldn’t elevate someone else in he’s place it Definitely depends on Hipwood’s recovery rate

He wasn't mate. He was nowhere near ready. ACLS take minimum 9-12 months.

 

[T Rick]

O'Meara is worth a go.

Would be awesome to see Lyons and Jaeger sticking it to the Suns next year.

I can understand the "Lyons sticking it to the Suns" but O'Meara's departure was a completely different scenario and the Suns were given the short straw.

 

[BangyBangy]

O'Meara is worth a go.

Would be awesome to see Lyons and Jaeger sticking it to the Suns next year.

Our medical staff are great, but knee replacement surgery may be a bit beyond them

Who knows what will happen, but the Hawks have picked a crap time to do the fire sale, not dissimilar to the teams that were at the bottom when all the suns & gws concessions were happening.... hmmm.

I can really only see Port & Freo as being suitors at this stage, maybe GWS if the Hawks pony enough dough to help with their cap space.

 

[cotter101]

To be fair if we did add O'Meara and had injuries go our way next year, we'd have the best midfield in the competition.

Of course, but we don’t have the cap space and the club said they want to hit the draft.

 

[mattsmob]

To be fair if we did add O'Meara and had injuries go our way next year, we'd have the best midfield in the competition.

Isn't O'Meara more of what we already have though? There's only a limited amount of mid-time and with Lyons and Neale already in there I'd rather that time go to Bailey/Rayner/Zorko/Cockatoo and potentially Starce.

 

[lionsrules]

Daly has said we are after Fort as a back up tap ruckman. He will get here I am sure. I dont understand why we are putting page after page discussing it?

Seems to be a lack of understanding on risk management and the fact that the coaching team and fans clearly thought Oscar couldn’t do it on his own.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Isn't O'Meara more of what we already have though? There's only a limited amount of mid-time and with Lyons and Neale already in there I'd rather that time go to Bailey/Rayner/Zorko/Cockatoo and potentially Starce.

Yep and I certainly wouldn't be using pick 14 on him. If we choose wisely 14 could be a long term gun.

 

[blueiris]

Daly has said we are after Fort as a back up tap ruckman. He will get here I am sure. I dont understand why we are putting page after page discussing it?

We have 4 ruckman on our list without Fort Us looking at a 29 year old ruckman probably means Ambrorgio doesn’t think Fullarton Lane or Smith are ready to take the mantle if heaven forbid something happens to BigO

 

[martinson]

That not the point at all. Clearly the post was to highlight what commitment to a 5 tall set up would look like - using our most recent team as an example. The same applies if it's Hipwood - he is not a pressure forward.

My point being that it's far more likely to work with Hipwood or McStay who are more mobile and have class and experience than Fullarton who at this stage you would obviously go with a smaller player.

 

[jackess]

We have 4 ruckman on our list without Fort Us looking at a 29 year old ruckman probably means Ambrorgio doesn’t think Fullarton Lane or Smith are ready to take the mantle if heaven forbid something happens to BigO

You’re as good as Freo posters at maths aren’t you?

 

[blueiris]

You’re as good as Freo posters at maths aren’t you?

Dude what is your problem with me every post you Ridicure me

 

[mattsmob]

You’re as good as Freo posters at maths aren’t you?

What's your point? We do have 4 rucks on our list, 3 of them are young, inexperienced and probably not up to being number 1 rucks week in week out.

 

[dlanod]

The successful teams seem to have 2 rucks

Really?

Melbourne, sure.

The Bulldogs were the runners up. I'd argue they have barely two halves of a ruck.

Port had 2-ish, although Ladhams only played 2/3rds of their season and Lycett is ok at best.

Geelong kinda have one. A bit of a conceded pass. They definitely don't have two.

Then us, who played Oscar plus a combination of someone whose primary ruck skill was dodging the opponent and someone who at least jumped but barely more than that.

GWS played the propped up corpse of Mumford.

Sydney plays a single ruck.

And I don't consider Essendon to have really made finals.

One team in the top 8 played two credible rucks.

 

[martinson]

Really?

Melbourne, sure.

The Bulldogs were the runners up. I'd argue they have barely two halves of a ruck.

Port had 2-ish, although Ladhams only played 2/3rds of their season and Lycett is ok at best.

Geelong kinda have one. A bit of a conceded pass. They definitely don't have two.

Then us, who played Oscar plus a combination of someone whose primary ruck skill was dodging the opponent and someone who at least jumped but barely more than that.

GWS played the propped up corpse of Mumford.

Sydney plays a single ruck.

And I don't consider Essendon to have really made finals.

One team in the top 8 played two credible rucks.

Yes ,because the were the only team who had 2 credible rucks.

It's clear to see most of the others wanted to if they had someone else decent.

The Dogs were desperate.

 

[blueiris]

Really?

Melbourne, sure.

The Bulldogs were the runners up. I'd argue they have barely two halves of a ruck.

Port had 2-ish, although Ladhams only played 2/3rds of their season and Lycett is ok at best.

Geelong kinda have one. A bit of a conceded pass. They definitely don't have two.

Then us, who played Oscar plus a combination of someone whose primary ruck skill was dodging the opponent and someone who at least jumped but barely more than that.

GWS played the propped up corpse of Mumford.

Sydney plays a single ruck.

And I don't consider Essendon to have really made finals.

One team in the top 8 played two credible rucks.

Do you see Oscar playing more of that forward/ruck combo and Fort playing as our main ruckman out of the two who has the better ruck craft? Was really impressed with how BigO ended the season

 

[jackess]

What's your point? We do have 4 rucks on our list, 3 of them are young, inexperienced and probably not up to being number 1 rucks week in week out.

They might be young but they’ll be 50 in about 30 years