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loki04

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A point that is a tenuous link at best.

Our young VFL side isn’t necessarily going to have the required match fitness before the season has even started. In fact I don’t expect them to win a lot of games at all.
You talk like the pies vfl team is the only one to have youth in it?

ALL afl teams' seconds has a fair amount of youth in it.
 

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Jen2310

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My standouts: Ollie (1 goal, 4-5 contested marks in the air), Reef, Macrae, Wilson, Cameron. Kelly could have had 3 goals but ended with 1, after a few misses in the first quarter. Ruscoe had 2 goals, could have had 3.

Rantall competed strongly in the contest. Mccreery strong in his forward pressure ended with 1, should have had 2 goals.

Keane battled well down back. Murphy didn't play after half time, unsure what happened to him.
Lynch strong in the ruck.
Greenwood in the middle with his bigger body guiding the youth through there.

Poulter was good down back and through the wing. McMahon having a presence up forward but struggled to put any on the scoreboard.
Chugg with his pace down back, competed strongly against some experience in the richmond forward line.
 

Timmy from Thomastown

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You talk like the pies vfl team is the only one to have youth in it?

ALL afl teams' seconds has a fair amount of youth in it.
I’d hazard a guess we have more than the usual (at least from the AFL list, no idea about non listed topup players) given the events of last year where ten senior players left and were replaced by eight first year players and two unfilled list spots.
 

loki04

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I’d hazard a guess we have more than the usual (at least from the AFL list, no idea about non listed topup players) given the events of last year where ten senior players left and were replaced by eight first year players and two unfilled list spots.
Yes we would but the AFL team also have poor second halves and often revert to slow footy after half time probably due to fatigue.
 

Timmy from Thomastown

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Yes we would but the AFL team also have poor second halves and often revert to slow footy after half time probably due to fatigue.
We’ve had one poor second half of the three games we have played so far. We lost against the Dogs in the first quarter when they kicked the first three goals and we lost by 17 points.

I’ll wait to see a more substantial sample set before claiming that fitness is an issue
 

loki04

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We’ve had one poor second half of the three games we have played so far. We lost against the Dogs in the first quarter when they kicked the first three goals and we lost by 17 points.

I’ll wait to see a more substantial sample set before claiming that fitness is an issue
We dropped off in the 2nd half vs Carlton (Carlton just didn't put it on the board) and Lions.

We also fell away in 2nd halves in many 2020 games.
 

Timmy from Thomastown

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We dropped off in the 2nd half vs Carlton (Carlton just didn't put it on the board) and Lions.

We also fell away in 2nd halves in many 2020 games.
We outplayed Carlton for three and a half quarters. They had a small window where they kicked a few on the trot.

As for 2020, that was a forgettable season for many reasons. In 2021 the rules have changed, the quarters are longer, the list has changed, and players aren’t trying to cope with hub life.

Way too early based off a one point loss after the siren to a quality opponent that fitness is an issue.
 

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My standouts: Ollie (1 goal, 4-5 contested marks in the air), Reef, Macrae, Wilson, Cameron. Kelly could have had 3 goals but ended with 1, after a few misses in the first quarter. Ruscoe had 2 goals, could have had 3.

Rantall competed strongly in the contest. Mccreery strong in his forward pressure ended with 1, should have had 2 goals.

Keane battled well down back. Murphy didn't play after half time, unsure what happened to him.
Lynch strong in the ruck.
Greenwood in the middle with his bigger body guiding the youth through there.

Poulter was good down back and through the wing. McMahon having a presence up forward but struggled to put any on the scoreboard.
Chugg with his pace down back, competed strongly against some experience in the richmond forward line.
Hi Jen,
Thanks for your efforts the past couple of years...
A quick question regarding McCreery, how was his fitness did he chase an tackle all game. Did you notice his efforts throughout the match?
 

loki04

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Carl 1.3 after half time Coll 3.3.
Not sure how they didn’t put on the board.
Huh it it was 5.4 Carl vs 5.5 Collingwood after ht.

I'm saying they if my memory seves me well, had more of the play in that 2nd half but didn't convert it to scores.
 

Timmy from Thomastown

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Huh it it was 5.4 Carl vs 5.5 Collingwood after ht.

I'm saying they if my memory seves me well, had more of the play in that 2nd half but didn't convert it to scores.
If you can’t back up your arguments with facts..... back them up with subjective opinions!!!!

There is no objective evidence that Collingwood failed to run out the game in rounds 1 and 2.
 

loki04

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If you can’t back up your arguments with facts..... back them up with subjective opinions!!!!

There is no objective evidence that Collingwood failed to run out the game in rounds 1 and 2.
How is it subjective... if a team falls away in the 2nd half but capitalises on lesser opportunities vs a team who has the run of play but doesn't you can still see a drop off.

Unreal.

Also why do we go into a less aggressive mode in 2nd halfs and look to play momentum sapping style often allowing opponents in?

Couldn't be to conserve energy?
 

Timmy from Thomastown

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How is it subjective... if a team falls away in the 2nd half but capitalises on lesser opportunities vs a team who has the run of play but doesn't you can still see a drop off.

Unreal.

Also why do we go into a less aggressive mode in 2nd halfs and look to play momentum sapping style often allowing opponents in?

Couldn't be to conserve energy?
You are just making up stories that we faded against Carlton
 

loki04

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You are just making up stories that we faded against Carlton
11.5 first half vs 5.5 in 2nd half and you don't think we dropped off or changed modes of attack? but then had less entries and less scoring shots...

6 goals, 4 goals, 2 goals and 3 goals. Qtr by qtr.

We go into shut down mode in 2nd halfs let's see if it continues.
 

stormskye

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11.5 first half vs 5.5 in 2nd half and you don't think we dropped off or changed modes of attack? but then had less entries and less scoring shots...

6 goals, 4 goals, 2 goals and 3 goals. Qtr by qtr.

We go into shut down mode in 2nd halfs let's see if it continues.
When was the last time we had a game like the dogs yest? We never bury teams. Agree 100%. Lost count how many times we build a lead and lose it. anyways, thread derailed a bit!
 

LuckyLee

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My standouts: Ollie (1 goal, 4-5 contested marks in the air), Reef, Macrae, Wilson, Cameron. Kelly could have had 3 goals but ended with 1, after a few misses in the first quarter. Ruscoe had 2 goals, could have had 3.

Rantall competed strongly in the contest. Mccreery strong in his forward pressure ended with 1, should have had 2 goals.

Keane battled well down back. Murphy didn't play after half time, unsure what happened to him.
Lynch strong in the ruck.
Greenwood in the middle with his bigger body guiding the youth through there.

Poulter was good down back and through the wing. McMahon having a presence up forward but struggled to put any on the scoreboard.
Chugg with his pace down back, competed strongly against some experience in the richmond forward line.
Thanks for the great insights, Jen.

So, from what you saw today and regularly at training, what changes would you make if in charge of selection for next weekend’s game v GWS?


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Timmy from Thomastown

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11.5 first half vs 5.5 in 2nd half and you don't think we dropped off or changed modes of attack? but then had less entries and less scoring shots...

6 goals, 4 goals, 2 goals and 3 goals. Qtr by qtr.

We go into shut down mode in 2nd halfs let's see if it continues.
20 goals in a game is extremely rare so expecting another 10 in the second half if ridiculously optimistic

Carlton got on a roll briefly in the third quarter and kicked 5 goals to two. We went in at 3/4 time with a lead and comfortably won the last quarter to extend the margin at the end. We did not "fade in the second half"
 

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Huh it it was 5.4 Carl vs 5.5 Collingwood after ht.

I'm saying they if my memory seves me well, had more of the play in that 2nd half but didn't convert it to scores.
I stand corrected I looked at 3 QTR time - thanks
 
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