2021 Wooden Spoon

2021 Wooden Spoon

  • Adelaide Crows

    Votes: 116 12.9%
  • Brisbane Lions

    Votes: 2 0.2%
  • Carlton Blues

    Votes: 17 1.9%
  • Collingwood Magpies

    Votes: 20 2.2%
  • Essendon Bombers

    Votes: 136 15.1%
  • Fremantle Dockers

    Votes: 4 0.4%
  • Geelong Cats

    Votes: 6 0.7%
  • Gold Coast Suns

    Votes: 10 1.1%
  • GWS Giants

    Votes: 8 0.9%
  • Hawthorn Hawks

    Votes: 93 10.4%
  • Melbourne Demons

    Votes: 8 0.9%
  • North Melbourne Kangaroos

    Votes: 424 47.2%
  • Port Adelaide Power

    Votes: 3 0.3%
  • Richmond Tigers

    Votes: 20 2.2%
  • St Kilda Saints

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Sydney Swans

    Votes: 15 1.7%
  • West Coast Eagles

    Votes: 14 1.6%
  • Western Bulldogs

    Votes: 1 0.1%

  • Total voters
    898

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adammania9

Brownlow Medallist
Mar 18, 2013
10,786
22,345
Melbourne
AFL Club
Collingwood
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University
Adelaide have by far the worst list and I find their odds to have the fewest wins to be extraordinary. Their 2020 season despite their three wins in the last month, was one of the worst I’ve ever seen. Were barely competitive and couldn’t run out games in 16 minute quarters even when playing at home (not locked up in hubs). Clubs who played them mid-season used them to rest their aching good players because they knew they were going to win no matter the side they put out.

Then their list actually got worse over the off-season. They only picked up Hately but Crouch left.

Back to 20 minute quarters and no hubs - I’ll be stunned if Adelaide win more than 3 games.
 

GreyCrow

TheBrownDog
Mar 21, 2016
57,034
87,169
Down South Corvus Tristis
AFL Club
Adelaide
Other Teams
Sturt, Redskins , White Sox
Adelaide have by far the worst list and I find their odds to have the fewest wins to be extraordinary. Their 2020 season despite their three wins in the last month, was one of the worst I’ve ever seen. Were barely competitive and couldn’t run out games in 16 minute quarters even when playing at home (not locked up in hubs). Clubs who played them mid-season used them to rest their aching good players because they knew they were going to win no matter the side they put out.

Then their list actually got worse over the off-season. They only picked up Hately but Crouch left.

Back to 20 minute quarters and no hubs - I’ll be stunned if Adelaide win more than 3 games.
All valid. A lot of the hope is about the external changes ie chairman and new line coaches with solid AFL experience rather than sanfl Godden and Ben Hart

We have the same fitness guy so that is a concern

There seems to be clear direction from the club about what they hope to achieve - hopefully the players take it on board
 

Torpedro

Rookie
Feb 19, 2021
30
86
AFL Club
Adelaide
Adelaide have by far the worst list and I find their odds to have the fewest wins to be extraordinary. Their 2020 season despite their three wins in the last month, was one of the worst I’ve ever seen. Were barely competitive and couldn’t run out games in 16 minute quarters even when playing at home (not locked up in hubs). Clubs who played them mid-season used them to rest their aching good players because they knew they were going to win no matter the side they put out.

Then their list actually got worse over the off-season. They only picked up Hately but Crouch left.

Back to 20 minute quarters and no hubs - I’ll be stunned if Adelaide win more than 3 games.
Prepare to be stunned
 

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BJK#5

Norm Smith Medallist
Aug 9, 2017
8,495
27,122
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Other Teams
Hurricanes, Panthers
Rowell basically played 4 games and was BOG in 3 of them.

9 Brownlow votes in basically 4 games.

Walsh got 6 votes from 22 games in his first season.

Rowell was on track for approx 50 votes from 22 games.
Sure but it was also an insanely small sample size, Rowell was great but it is tough to get up week in week out.

No way to know how he copes over 22 games.
 

aussierulesrules

Brownlow Medallist
Jan 7, 2011
29,329
53,991
Heaven. I mean Victoria.
AFL Club
St Kilda
Sure but it was also an insanely small sample size, Rowell was great but it is tough to get up week in week out.

No way to know how he copes over 22 games.
It doesn't matter, it still shows the vast gulf between how he was going and how Walsh went in his respective first season.

One was excellent for his age, the other was excellent for any age.
 

BJK#5

Norm Smith Medallist
Aug 9, 2017
8,495
27,122
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Hurricanes, Panthers
It doesn't matter, it still shows the vast gulf between how he was going and how Walsh went in his respective first season.

One was excellent for his age, the other was excellent for any age.
But it does matter, if he started to struggle over the next 18 games no one would be saying he was the best first year player. In reality he played an amazing 3 games.
 
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aussierulesrules

Brownlow Medallist
Jan 7, 2011
29,329
53,991
Heaven. I mean Victoria.
AFL Club
St Kilda
But it does matter, if he went started to struggle over the next 18 games no one would be saying he was the best first year player. In reality he played an amazing 3 games.
The guy said he'd never ever seen a first year player be that good and someone else then asked about Walsh, and the simple fact is that Walsh in his first year wasn't that ridiculously good.

Even if Rowell had played all year and by some miracle didn't poll another Brownlow vote, he still got 50% more votes than Walsh did in his first year.

And the fact remains that he was on track for a 50 vote season (for 22 games), while Walsh from 22 got 6.

But if you reckon Walsh was as good then awesome. You're free to have that opinion.
 

Strapping Young Lad

previously Messenger
Apr 19, 2006
66,841
125,828
Your local Satanist Cabal
AFL Club
Hawthorn
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Spurs, Socceroos
The guy said he'd never ever seen a first year player be that good and someone else then asked about Walsh, and the simple fact is that Walsh in his first year wasn't that ridiculously good.

Even if Rowell had played all year and by some miracle didn't poll another Brownlow vote, he still got 50% more votes than Walsh did in his first year.

And the fact remains that he was on track for a 50 vote season (for 22 games), while Walsh from 22 got 6.

But if you reckon Walsh was as good then awesome. You're free to have that opinion.
😂
 

AstonSouffle

Club Legend
May 11, 2014
1,075
1,553
Darwin
AFL Club
Fremantle
The guy said he'd never ever seen a first year player be that good and someone else then asked about Walsh, and the simple fact is that Walsh in his first year wasn't that ridiculously good.

Even if Rowell had played all year and by some miracle didn't poll another Brownlow vote, he still got 50% more votes than Walsh did in his first year.

And the fact remains that he was on track for a 50 vote season (for 22 games), while Walsh from 22 got 6.

But if you reckon Walsh was as good then awesome. You're free to have that opinion.
Lord - even Fyfe couldn't do this and he's Mr. Brownlow as he gets his votes in a sh*t team. Does someone pay you to say this?
 

BigBreakfast

Premiership Player
Sep 19, 2019
4,626
7,233
AFL Club
Carlton
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Lakeshow
Yes, nowhere near. Rowell is the best first year player I have seen.
Walsh Rising star, 22 and under team both years, AFLCA best young player 2020 suggests the gap is not that big. Rowell small sample size with little opportunity for coaches and players to respond. Rowell is great but, Walsh is not far behind.
 

BigBreakfast

Premiership Player
Sep 19, 2019
4,626
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How does anyone know?

He may well have been the exception to the rule ,


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Give coaches and players a chance to put in the work on him. He is not going to be BOG 3 of every 4 games in his career...
 

aussierulesrules

Brownlow Medallist
Jan 7, 2011
29,329
53,991
Heaven. I mean Victoria.
AFL Club
St Kilda
No way he stays on that pace though.
I agree it's exceptionally unlikely and don't personally believe for a second that he would have kept up that ridiculous level of performance, but that's what actually happened (he was going at 50 vote pace), so that's all we have to go by, and judge his performance on.

The rest is pure speculation.
 
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aussierulesrules

Brownlow Medallist
Jan 7, 2011
29,329
53,991
Heaven. I mean Victoria.
AFL Club
St Kilda
Walsh Rising star, 22 and under team both years, AFLCA best young player 2020 suggests the gap is not that big. Rowell small sample size with little opportunity for coaches and players to respond. Rowell is great but, Walsh is not far behind.
If Walsh was anywhere near as dominant wouldn't coaches and players have likewise responded to how he was going and thus reduced his output as a result?

The evidence (not getting his first Brownlow vote until his 12th game for instance) suggests that they didn't feel the need to.

It's not like he started like a house-on-fire like Rowell did and then the opposition clamped down on him and his output slowed, as a result.
 

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