List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft & Rookie Draft

[Aphrodite]

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

I'm more than happy to take Hollands so long as we trade up to pick another player capable in that high half forward role like Hotton, Jones or Konstanty with a pick in the 15-20 range.

A haul of Hollands, Hotton/Konstanty and a George type would give us depth in our forward flanks that we've lacked for years

Think we would move into that range for a KPP, especially if Cahill is being considered as a later pick up.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Whoever we get I want a big bodied footballer. Enough smaller sized players ffs

Geelong showed that big bodies win footy, as did the only team to defeat my team this year..

Gimme big strong bodied footballers.

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We have one of the biggest midfields in the AFL already. It's our flankers who lack the same power and strength as Geelongs.

 

[bmaurizio]

Don't worry too much about Hollands. From all accounts he is very driven. His skills are pretty good now and will only get better.

Just think of someone with Sam Walsh's running ability with excellent leadership skills and driven to get the best out of himself.

Personally think that gold coast might take him before we get the chance but he looks like a 200 gamer to me.

Yup Hollands will be ripper, let’s hope he slides to us.

 

[bmaurizio]

Whoever we get I want a big bodied footballer. Enough smaller sized players ffs

Geelong showed that big bodies win footy, as did the only team to defeat my team this year..

Gimme big strong bodied footballers.

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Big strong bodied footballer with average footy skill and IQ are not what we need.
Aerobic ability, fitness and hardened bodies can be developed, skills and IQ for the game, are a natural gift , just can’t be taught.

 

[ETET]

Big strong bodied footballer with average footy skill and IQ are not what we need.
Aerobic ability, fitness and hardened bodies can be developed, skills and IQ for the game, are a natural gift , just can’t be taught.

hhhmm not sure. LOB and Dow would be examples where we have not improved either Strength or Aerobic ability. I agree with you though that we don’t need some average, low IQ, grunt box. But I also agree with the previous poster that to beat men you need to be able to play like men.

surely their must be some in the draft that can have both capabilties

 

[bradfisher14]

Very happy about the Hollands news.

Just think of someone with Sam Walsh's running ability with excellent leadership skills and driven to get the best out of himself.

Pretty sure Sam Walsh has these traits too.

 

[Sheephead]

hhhmm not sure. LOB and Dow would be examples where we have not improved either Strength or Aerobic ability. I agree with you though that we don’t need some average, low IQ, grunt box. But I also agree with the previous poster that to beat men you need to be able to play like men.

surely their must be some in the draft that can have both capabilties

The Big Lebowski Szybkowski.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Class of 2022: Check out what draft prospect Oliver Hollands can do

Watch the best highlights from Oliver Hollands ahead of the 2021 NAB AFL Draft

www.afl.com.au

Pretty much the only video of him at the moment. From 2021

 

[Sonny Jim]

I might be harsher on Hollands than most, but at this stage I see him as lacking in some areas and not confident he can rectify them to warrant an early pick

Strengths:

Can find the ball with easy, great competitor, massive tank, works hard defensively

Weaknesses:

Not overly clean by hand or foot, delayed in disposing, seems rushed, which hampers movement and or team exits, lacks scoreboard impact, lacks burst, not strong overhead.

At this stage, I see him more an inside type, where we have ample options, but given his tank he may transition to being a solid wingman if he cleans up his decision making and disposal by foot

If I am taking a non tall here, I want more composure, better footskills and someone that can rest forward and be a threat

How can he be slow to kick while being rushed?

 

[Wickzki]

Very happy about the Hollands news.



Pretty sure Sam Walsh has these traits too.

Funny the comparison to Walsh. Asked my "birdie" to sell him to me. He said "a Sam Walsh who is happy to start more outside than inside but will fight to gain his minutes on those rotations the more he goes along."

That, to me, screams exactly what we're looking for. It's the layers we've wished the likes of Dow had to their game that he'll likely never have.

There may turn out to be better, more upside, players available at our pick but if that's the typs we end up with then the club has identified what we need and gone out for it.

However, I reiterate that I, personally, haven't watched enough to formulate my own opinion and why I contacted friendly posters for their opinion.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

It's funny how players start to become more popular once a supposed leak comes out. I'd be more inclined to be skeptical because the player in question will have to make it to us first. That's why I hate leaks so much, we pump up players that always manage get to us but few who have been mentioned so early in leaks have proved their value. I think our interest in Cripps may have got out early but he's the only really good one that has. We were fairly tight lipped or undecided about Harry and Charlie, for instance, until reasonably close to draft day.

 

[Wickzki]

It's funny how players start to become more popular once a supposed leak comes out. I'd be more inclined to be skeptical because the player in question will have to make it to us first. That's why I hate leaks so much, we pump up players that always manage get to us but few who have been mentioned so early in leaks have proved their value. I think our interest in Cripps may have got out early but he's the only really good one that has. We were fairly tight lipped or undecided about Harry and Charlie, for instance, until reasonably close to draft day.

I think Fisher is a better example for this one. Second rounder who had everyone except the close draft watchers asking who.

Every year there's second round type talents that the consensus is "steal" if he's available (often are). But a bloke like Fish who wasn't on most people's radar is few and far between.

I think everyone wanted Charlie because of Ed and people were sold on H because of his position.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Might be misreading the room but some of the reactions seem in part influenced by the idea that we don’t ‘need’ another midfielder?

For mine, the only glaring hole in the list, the only hole big enough to influence how we spend our first pick, is the wing and we’ve addressed that with Acres. After that there might some general themes we should heed (like players with some pace and foot skills) but I don’t think our other needs are big enough to worry toooooo much about what position the players available at our pick play. I’m fine with another mid, particularly if their game is outside oriented.

 

[Jimmae]

Funny the comparison to Walsh. Asked my "birdie" to sell him to me. He said "a Sam Walsh who is happy to start more outside than inside but will fight to gain his minutes on those rotations the more he goes along."

That, to me, screams exactly what we're looking for. It's the layers we've wished the likes of Dow had to their game that he'll likely never have.

There may turn out to be better, more upside, players available at our pick but if that's the typs we end up with then the club has identified what we need and gone out for it.

However, I reiterate that I, personally, haven't watched enough to formulate my own opinion and why I contacted friendly posters for their opinion.

I just feel his best isn't quite strong enough for an inside role, and his best isn't quite quick enough for the kind of edge we need on the wing. When he hits his kicks it's great, but there's plenty of scrappy efforts.

Can football though, but the athletic package just doesn't quite reach what you want.

Much bigger fan of grabbing a more dynamic midfielder like Hewett and getting some speed out of the contest back into the rotation there. Can't help but feel we'll wind up trading 2-3 players at the end of 2023 that we had pencilled into be midfielders, so I think we should take advantage of our draft position to net some more quality in.

Conversely, if the Herald Sun are onto something - and they usually aren't - happy for us to use 29 or shuffle that pick slightly up to secure Hewett, who I think reads as top 10 talent. Absolutely no idea how he's not being spoken of ahead of Humphrey by many on here.

 

[ray8182]

Might be misreading the room but some of the reactions seem in part influenced by the idea that we don’t ‘need’ another midfielder?

For mine, the only glaring hole in the list, the only hole big enough to influence how we spend our first pick, is the wing and we’ve addressed that with Acres. After that there might some general themes we should heed (like players with some pace and foot skills) but I don’t think our other needs are big enough to worry toooooo much about what position the players available at our pick play. I’m fine with another mid, particularly if their game is outside oriented.

I think your thoughts on Carlton’s needs are pretty reasonable.

The other thing to take into account when thinking about our needs is those players that are consistently injured. Our list looks great until you factor in these players are consistently injured;
Martin
Marchbank
Williams
McGovern
Cunningham
Philp
When you remove these players from the list a half forward looks more appealing as does an intercepting defender.

The interesting thing about the herald Sun article indicating our interest in hollands at the draft was a couple of key points.

Firstly our interest in “hard running midfielders”. Hard running to me indicates a short coming in our list. We need some elite runners who can play on the wings or flanks that help with transition. We don’t really need a midfielder who plays in the centre square.

Secondly pointing out that Hollands can play back flank or wing. This flexibility would be important for us and l think it makes him a much attractive proposition.


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[teagueyubeauty]

Funny the comparison to Walsh. Asked my "birdie" to sell him to me. He said "a Sam Walsh who is happy to start more outside than inside but will fight to gain his minutes on those rotations the more he goes along."

That, to me, screams exactly what we're looking for. It's the layers we've wished the likes of Dow had to their game that he'll likely never have.

There may turn out to be better, more upside, players available at our pick but if that's the typs we end up with then the club has identified what we need and gone out for it.

However, I reiterate that I, personally, haven't watched enough to formulate my own opinion and why I contacted friendly posters for their opinion.

So what you’re saying is Hollands is more neopolitan than Vanilla?


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[macky99]

Yup Hollands will be ripper, let’s hope he slides to us.

Gee amazing how a player's rating increases on the back of a news story that he may be a chance to come to Carlton.
Most of the year he has been rated probably in the 12-20 range because his ball use and skill level is below others in this draft.

 

[Matty411]

Today I woke realising, suddenly that I've never wanted us to draft Oli Hollands more than any other player ever.

 

[Garters]

Netherlands, the Gunslinger, the Big Lebowski, I don't really give a sh*t tbh. List in ok shape.

The powers that be just better know what they are doing. Us blowing up another top 10 draft pick....? Not on the to do list.

For the love of all things Navy Blue Austin, bring us in a haul of bonefide young hungry footballers.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

I think your thoughts on Carlton’s needs are pretty reasonable.

The other thing to take into account when thinking about our needs is those players that are consistently injured. Our list looks great until you factor in these players are consistently injured;
Martin
Marchbank
Williams
McGovern
Cunningham
Philp
When you remove these players from the list a half forward looks more appealing as does an intercepting defender.

The interesting thing about the herald Sun article indicating our interest in hollands at the draft was a couple of key points.

Firstly our interest in “hard running midfielders”. Hard running to me indicates a short coming in our list. We need some elite runners who can play on the wings or flanks that help with transition. We don’t really need a midfielder who plays in the centre square.

Secondly pointing out that Hollands can play back flank or wing. This flexibility would be important for us and l think it makes him a much attractive proposition.


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The injury point is a good one, particularly around the third tall defender slot. The problem we face is, do you use a top 10 pick there because you’re worried about injury? Only one of Marchie or Gov would need to find some consistency for that to become a waste.

Im ALL for the club taking a more targeted approach with our other picks fwiw.

 

[David Sylvian]

Anthony Munkara, enough said.

 

[BlueJet]

Big strong bodied footballer with average footy skill and IQ are not what we need.
Aerobic ability, fitness and hardened bodies can be developed, skills and IQ for the game, are a natural gift , just can’t be taught.

How are SPS, LOB, Dow trending?
They all align with the latter & are all struggling to find the ball, build their tank etc.
While we need class players we also require players that can win their own footy & cover plenty of ground too, it'll go some way to stopping an opponent from getting a run on.

 

[BlueJet]

Gee amazing how a player's rating increases on the back of a news story that he may be a chance to come to Carlton.
Most of the year he has been rated probably in the 12-20 range because his ball use and skill level is below others in this draft.

Hardly surprising given most don't watch a lot of underage footy and rely on stories like that to start looking into or discussing them.

 

[David Sylvian]

This was in the YouTube feed this morning and kudos to pommyinoz being all over it.

 

[bluesDeluxe]

Hardly surprising given most don't watch a lot of underage footy and rely on stories like that to start looking into or discussing them.

We cant all be draft experts chief, some of us have day jobs! Hence why there is a discussion forum.

My uninformed opinion would be to use pick 10 for best available. From what I read, best available would be George.

Back end of the draft I'd add some KPD depth - Phillips, Leiu